Prove there's a god.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#630367 Jun 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Prilosec? Zantac? Mylanta? Alka-Seltzer? Tums? Rolaids?

My family has a history of heartburn problems.

I went to the doctor a few years ago about it, all he did was prescribe me some drugs. I told him that I don't want drugs, I want this fixed, fix it. But that's not how they operate, is it? Why cure a patient when you can keep them buying abottle of pills the rest of their life...?
Did he tell you to change your eating habits?
Forum

Carlsbad, NM

#630368 Jun 15, 2013
Doctor Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>If you were saved at 10, you likely were not saved but just Baptized. I know, with me, I was 9. Also, faith is an all time thing. You can not say you put your faith in God, but it did not work. Faith is absolute and never wavering. The point that you doubt proves that doubt was there all the time. If your opinion is that no one knows what happens when we die, then there it is, that is why you did not have the faith.
We do not die.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#630370 Jun 15, 2013
Forum wrote:
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We do not die.
lol

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Since: Sep 11

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#630371 Jun 15, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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"The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense of the mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well as of all serious endeavour in art and science. He who never had this experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is a something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious. To me it suffices to wonder at these secrets and to attempt humbly to grasp with my mind a mere image of the lofty structure of all there is."
Words from Einstein himself..
your move.
You think this proves... what exactly? That einstein claims to have experienced the sensation of awe does not mean there is a god, and it does not invalidate his scientific work. I am frequently awestruck when I consider the scope of the universe and the fact that we are here at all; this does not mean that my feelings suggest the existence of a higher power.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#630372 Jun 15, 2013
Doctor Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>I think you have missed the boat. The evidence of God's existence is a religious element and a learned thing. I can not prove to you that love exists, and you might not think that it does. Sorry, if you lack, but love does exist. I can not prove to you that God exists, and you might not think He does. Sorry, if you lack, but God does exist. Maybe, your parents had no love and simply had you seeking love, which means that the concept of love, like God, my elude you.
Milk bone?
Just me

Benton, KY

#630373 Jun 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It appears that what soured you the most was you paying a dollar and not getting anything in return, like at the candy store. You were using your faith as a currency for purchases. This is an understandable and common occurrence when religion is taught by rote. It takes personal experiences inside you to fully understand the messages in those words. The exact same thing happens in the secular and academic worlds. Expecting results for mouthing the right words within an artificial system.
The religious experience boils down to one thing, resignation to fate. You aren't in control and you finally figure that out on your own. Your expectations are exchanged for appreciating you can even exist. You will be amazed at what doors CAN open once you do that.
Or something on that order.
I know for sure I'm not in control of it, and I'm o.k. with that. i think at 9 and 10 years old no child can firmly grasp what goes along with salvation and following the bible. Hell adults have a hard enough time with it as is lol. I just started studying outside of the religion alot more after my mom died and my eyes were opened to several different things that are not logical. I think that people should be able to believe whatever higher power they so choose, as long as it doesn't impose on the life of another unless the other person chooses. I also don't believe that any faith should have a right to harm, or shun another. I actually feel much better in the way I think about things now. I try to do right by people and I take responsibility for my actions just like I always have....my idea's on where we go after we die, and how the universe was created has changed, but other than that I am still the same person that I've always been. I think the peace in a person's heart should really be the only thing that matters.
Just me

Benton, KY

#630374 Jun 15, 2013
Doctor Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>I think you have missed the boat. The evidence of God's existence is a religious element and a learned thing. I can not prove to you that love exists, and you might not think that it does. Sorry, if you lack, but love does exist. I can not prove to you that God exists, and you might not think He does. Sorry, if you lack, but God does exist. Maybe, your parents had no love and simply had you seeking love, which means that the concept of love, like God, my elude you.
Do you not feel like love exists in people who do not believe in god?
Just me

Benton, KY

#630375 Jun 15, 2013
Doctor Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>If you were saved at 10, you likely were not saved but just Baptized. I know, with me, I was 9. Also, faith is an all time thing. You can not say you put your faith in God, but it did not work. Faith is absolute and never wavering. The point that you doubt proves that doubt was there all the time. If your opinion is that no one knows what happens when we die, then there it is, that is why you did not have the faith.
I respectfully disagree with your statement that Faith is absolute and never wavering...Even Jesus asked god "Why do you forsake me". If Jesus can have wavering faith then in my eyes there is no human on this earth that has unwavering faith. It's not just my opinion that we don't know what will happen to us when we die...it's actually something that I feel like is going to be very different for all of us. Even if you think everyone will end up in heaven or in hell...you still can't say for sure what it will feel like, or how it all works. Every religion, whether they believe in the same god or not, has a different idea of how this will happen.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#630376 Jun 15, 2013
Forum wrote:
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We do not die.
What do you do instead? Because I don't meet very may people over 100, they must turn invisible around 80 ?
Forum

Carlsbad, NM

#630378 Jun 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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What do you do instead? Because I don't meet very may people over 100, they must turn invisible around 80 ?
They are somewhere else.
Plop Plop Fizz Fizz

Italy

#630379 Jun 15, 2013
Doctor Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>Who claimed that I what I posted was a statement of my logic. I did not. I said that scientist must first prove that God did not create and design science. They can not which is why most scientist are wise enough to avoid the subject and stick to physical and natural observable things that they still flub up trying to define. We and they are all humans, an ingredient in the formula, so we can not define the formula itself. The problem that all scientists have we observation and nature, is that the moment they observe it then it ceases to be natural.
You are furthering fallacious logic. You're right, you are demonstrating no logic, at all. "The moment they observe it then it ceases to be natural"? You're just a godbot serving an unappetizing word salad. All you have is an argument from ignorance, a burden of proof fallacy, and special pleading, inserting a god you have made up in your infertile mind. Change your sentence to this: "I said that scientist (sic) must first prove that (The Fluffy Pink Unicorn) did not create and design science." It doesn't change the meaning or the fallacious logic of your special pleading and argument from ignorance.
Plop Plop Fizz Fizz

Italy

#630380 Jun 15, 2013
Doctor Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>Who claimed that I what I posted was a statement of my logic. I did not. I said that scientist must first prove that God did not create and design science. They can not which is why most scientist are wise enough to avoid the subject and stick to physical and natural observable things that they still flub up trying to define. We and they are all humans, an ingredient in the formula, so we can not define the formula itself. The problem that all scientists have we observation and nature, is that the moment they observe it then it ceases to be natural.
And I see you failed to address that you lied and offered a false story about Einstein. Has there ever been an honest godbot?

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#630381 Jun 15, 2013
Forum wrote:
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They are somewhere else.
Like where ? Florida?

“JUST LIL OLE ME!”

Since: Dec 11

Oakdale, Ca. Now in B'ham, Al.

#630382 Jun 15, 2013
V for Vendetta wrote:
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Why do you need proof that there is a God? What's the point? Would you live your life differently if you had indisputable proof? It's like asking whether there is proof that wind exists. If you were struck by lightning and lived, would you believe in God then? I doubt it. If He stood in front of you and said, I am the real deal, you would probably say you were hallucinating or having a flash-back. When you can only think with a logical mind, it is nearly impossible to believe in someone greater than us who could have no beginning or end. People in general scoff at that which they cannot comprehend. You either believe or you don't--it's a choice. I think the universe is too large for anyone to know for sure who or what "God" could possibly be. How does not believing make one's life better? To me, it's pretty depressing to believe that "man" is the best thing this universe has to offer.
THANK YOU!!! I could not have said it better! Its funny to me how athiests can say, prove he exists, but if we say, prove he doesnt, they then just say, the burden of proof is on you, because youre the one who believes. What? Well I can just reverse that, and say, no, the burden of proof is on YOU because you DISBELIEVE! And its just a vicious circle, because neither can be done. Knowing God is real is only through personal experiences and a personal relationship with Him.
Plop Plop Fizz Fizz

Italy

#630383 Jun 15, 2013
Doctor Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus did not waver in his faith, when he said "Why do you forsake me". That had nothing to do with doubt. Faith is like a muscle, some have weak faith and if that muscle is not strengthened it wavered and the faith is no sufficient for the task. With strong faith, more difficult tasks can be performed.
Ask me to pray that a house be removed from off of my child, I do not know if I have that kind of faith. However, faced with the task and my child, my faith will need to be strengthened or it will waver and falter. God never fails, we fail to have faith.
Do you have faith that when you go to sleep tonight, you will wake up in the morning? I bet you do and I bet it will not waver. Okay, do you have faith that you can stay awake for one month straight, no sleep at any time? I doubt you do. Well, both faith requirements have to do with sleep and waking.
You are a walking logical fallacy generator. Equating religious faith with presumptions based on evidence is an equivocation fallacy. Presuming your car will start in the morning is based on evidence, not faith, whereas whatever god you are advertising with zero evidence is based on no evidence stronger than "tide goes in, tide goes out". And, there are no guarantees anyone will wake up in the morning. People die in their sleep all the time.

Your last sentence in this post may be the most ridiculous connection between facile, wholly unremarkable claims ever attempted on the Internet. What happened to you that your mind works like this? It's very strange.
Plop Plop Fizz Fizz

Italy

#630384 Jun 15, 2013
lilmamakim wrote:
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THANK YOU!!! I could not have said it better! Its funny to me how athiests can say, prove he exists, but if we say, prove he doesnt, they then just say, the burden of proof is on you, because youre the one who believes. What? Well I can just reverse that, and say, no, the burden of proof is on YOU because you DISBELIEVE! And its just a vicious circle, because neither can be done. Knowing God is real is only through personal experiences and a personal relationship with Him.
No, no, no. I am making no positive claims for the non-existence of any deities. I simply say, "I don't know". You make a positive claim with this sentence, "Knowing God is real is only through personal experiences and a personal relationship with Him.", thus, the burden of proof falls on you. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Plop Plop Fizz Fizz

Italy

#630385 Jun 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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What do you do instead? Because I don't meet very may people over 100, they must turn invisible around 80 ?
Men turn invisible to 20 year old women at about the age of 45.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#630386 Jun 15, 2013
lilmamakim wrote:
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THANK YOU!!! I could not have said it better! Its funny to me how athiests can say, prove he exists, but if we say, prove he doesnt, they then just say, the burden of proof is on you, because youre the one who believes. What? Well I can just reverse that, and say, no, the burden of proof is on YOU because you DISBELIEVE! And its just a vicious circle, because neither can be done. Knowing God is real is only through personal experiences and a personal relationship with Him.
I cannot prove there isn't one ,you cannot prove there is . But you have a relationship with one.

Then we say ....It's frickin crazy to have a relationship with imaginary beings.
Plop Plop Fizz Fizz

Italy

#630387 Jun 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are a lousy chess player, in addition to being stupid and obnoxious.
E=mc2
That is a closed system. Requires activation initially. A switch has to be thrown. Things have to move, which becomes energy.
E can't exist without m and c. m is the "solid" stuff, c is its speed limit.
Who created the firmament and the light? Who turned on the switch?
Why does a switch have to be "thrown"? Why must you anthropromorphize it? Where is it implied that a closed system is required? Where is the firmament? Why did light need to be created? Why is a who necessary? What created this who? Claiming that the who didn't need to be created but the light did and a switch needed to be thrown is nothing more than an argument from ignorance and special pleading. It's turtles all the way down, eh? Look it up.
Plop Plop Fizz Fizz

Italy

#630388 Jun 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I cannot prove there isn't one ,you cannot prove there is . But you have a relationship with one.
Then we say ....It's frickin crazy to have a relationship with imaginary beings.
Unless they look like Kate Upton. Then it makes sense.

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