“Ditat Deus”

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#626788 May 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text> No -not the same but I can't put forth any more effort to educate you on basic vocabulary.
And working??
No, RR- while I believe you do have a JOB, that does not translate into meaning you are actually WORKING- unless your actual job is to "work" at posting as much as possible on Topix.
I don't have a Nazi, slave driving boss.

Don't be jealous.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626789 May 27, 2013
Trust worthy guy?

Trevor-Roper was known for his lively intellectual controversies with fellow historians. His most commercially successful book emerged from his assignment as a British intelligence officer in 1945 to discover what happened in the last days of Hitler's bunker. From his interviews with a range of witnesses and study of surviving documents he demonstrated to the satisfaction of most analysts that Hitler was dead and had not escaped from Berlin. His book The Last Days of Hitler was a popular and critical success. However, his reputation was seriously damaged in 1983 when after a brief examination he authenticated the Hitler Diaries, which were subsequently shown to be forgeries.

“Ditat Deus”

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#626790 May 27, 2013
Skitz wrote:
Trust worthy guy?
Trevor-Roper was known for his lively intellectual controversies with fellow historians. His most commercially successful book emerged from his assignment as a British intelligence officer in 1945 to discover what happened in the last days of Hitler's bunker. From his interviews with a range of witnesses and study of surviving documents he demonstrated to the satisfaction of most analysts that Hitler was dead and had not escaped from Berlin. His book The Last Days of Hitler was a popular and critical success. However, his reputation was seriously damaged in 1983 when after a brief examination he authenticated the Hitler Diaries, which were subsequently shown to be forgeries.
I thought you said it didn't matter whether or not Hitler was Catholic...

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626791 May 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't have a Nazi, slave driving boss.
Don't be jealous.
Or do you?

;)

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626792 May 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you said it didn't matter whether or not Hitler was Catholic...
I did.

And there was a reason for that.

What is that reason?

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626793 May 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you said it didn't matter whether or not Hitler was Catholic...
Ever heard the expression - "You deserve the government you get".
Thinking Man

New York, NY

#626794 May 27, 2013
Hitler used Christianity as a tool. His mother was Roman Catholic and he idolized her. At that time in history the Germanic people were extremely anti-semitic, and so was much of Europe. Hitler was content to "allow" Christianity to be a part of his Third Reich so long as he was free to define and control it.

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#626795 May 27, 2013
Skitz wrote:
Trust worthy guy?
Trevor-Roper was known for his lively intellectual controversies with fellow historians. His most commercially successful book emerged from his assignment as a British intelligence officer in 1945 to discover what happened in the last days of Hitler's bunker. From his interviews with a range of witnesses and study of surviving documents he demonstrated to the satisfaction of most analysts that Hitler was dead and had not escaped from Berlin. His book The Last Days of Hitler was a popular and critical success. However, his reputation was seriously damaged in 1983 when after a brief examination he authenticated the Hitler Diaries, which were subsequently shown to be forgeries.
Can't argue with the facts so the next step is to attack the source. What is it with topix morons who actually believe Hitler was a Christian?

''When we National Socialists speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.[76]

During the war Alfred Rosenberg formulated a thirty-point program for the National Reich Church, which included:

The National Reich Church claims exclusive right and control over all Churches.
The National Church is determined to exterminate foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.
The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible.
The National Church will clear away from its altars all Crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of Saints.
On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf and to the left of the altar a sword.[77]''

From WIKI religion in Nazi Germany.

That was published in New York Times January 1942. Even Roosevelt wrote about anti Christian elements in National Socialism.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626796 May 27, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Can't argue with the facts so the next step is to attack the source. What is it with topix morons who actually believe Hitler was a Christian?
''When we National Socialists speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.[76]
During the war Alfred Rosenberg formulated a thirty-point program for the National Reich Church, which included:
The National Reich Church claims exclusive right and control over all Churches.
The National Church is determined to exterminate foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.
The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible.
The National Church will clear away from its altars all Crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of Saints.
On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf and to the left of the altar a sword.[77]''
From WIKI religion in Nazi Germany.
That was published in New York Times January 1942. Even Roosevelt wrote about anti Christian elements in National Socialism.
So you're still struggling to find a primary source that hitler wasn't a christian. And again I ask you why does it matter anyway? What ended up happening?

Think about it.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626797 May 27, 2013
And where have I ever said Hitler was a christian?

“Ditat Deus”

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#626798 May 27, 2013
Skitz wrote:
<quoted text>
I did.
And there was a reason for that.
What is that reason?
It was your reason. Why are you asking me what your reason was?

“Ditat Deus”

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#626799 May 27, 2013
Skitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Ever heard the expression - "You deserve the government you get".
No, I haven't.

“The Intrepid”

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#626800 May 27, 2013
huh wrote:
<quoted text>Most murders are done in the heat of the moment where fear of punishment is immaterial. Another swing and a miss.
And, you are wrong that all humans are capable of murder, emotionally.
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/...
Extensive studies have been done on this.
Hope on the Battlefield
By Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
Military leaders know a secret: The vast majority of people are overwhelmingly reluctant to take a human life.
During World War II, U.S. Army Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall asked average soldiers how they conducted themselves in battle. Before that, it had always been assumed that the average soldier would kill in combat simply because his country and his leaders had told him to do so, and because it might be essential to defend his own life and the lives of his friends.
Marshall’s singularly unexpected discovery was that, of every hundred men along the line of fire during the combat period, an average of only 15 to 20 “would take any part with their weapons.” This was consistently true,“whether the action was spread over a day, or two days, or three.”
Marshall was a U.S. Army historian in the Pacific theater during World War II and later became the official U.S. historian of the European theater of operations. He had a team of historians working for him, and they based their findings on individual and mass interviews with thousands of soldiers in more than 400 infantry companies immediately after they had been in close combat with German or Japanese troops. The results were consistently the same: Only 15 to 20 percent of the American riflemen in combat during World War II would fire at the enemy. Those who would not fire did not run or hide—in many cases they were willing to risk greater danger to rescue comrades, get ammunition, or run messages. They simply would not fire their weapons at the enemy, even when faced with repeated waves of banzai charges.
Why did these men fail to fire? As a historian, psychologist, and soldier, I examined this question and studied the process of killing in combat. I have realized that there was one major factor missing from the common understanding of this process, a factor that answers this question and more: the simple and demonstrable fact that there is, within most men and women, an intense resistance to killing other people. A resistance so strong that, in many circumstances, soldiers on the battlefield will die before they can overcome it.
So far, you haven't been right yet. Tomorrow, figure out what time zones are then try Opposite Day.
"Most" are not, liar. And as for "in the heat of the moment" killings, there is a distinct flash of "knowing", but the pleasure of lashing out outweighs any fear of punishment...for some people.

Your Lt. Colonel is full of shit. He yammers on but shows no proof of what he claims regarding any person's reluctance to kill. Show me the proof.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626801 May 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It was your reason. Why are you asking me what your reason was?
It's kind of obvious dude :P

But I'm not here to spoon feed people.

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#626802 May 27, 2013
Skitz wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not being ignorant.
Invincible ignorance. That is ignorance in spite of the facts.
Most of the things you are saying about Hitler are coming from secondary sources.
So? They quote Hitler. Historians use secondary sources to investigate.
People with an interest to deny Hitler ever held Christian ideals.
An interest in truth. It is Topix idiots who insist Hitler was a Christian demonstrate two things. They do not know what Christianity is. They define Christianity by folks like Hitler not by primary source material which would be the New Testament. In other words they define Christianity by what it is not. In that way they find common ground with Adolf Hitler because he also defined Christianity by what it is not.
And my question is even more important now. What religion were the German people predominantly?
Mostly varied degrees of protestant and Catholic which explains why Hitler had to send many to the concentration camps who refused to conform to Nazi re definitions of Christianity. You still have not answered any of my points.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626803 May 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I haven't.
Well now you have. It's important to the point I'm making.

Why is it important whether Hitler was a christian? Does it matter? What ended up happening anyway? What was the predominant religion in the Germanic states?

“The Intrepid”

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#626804 May 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, it's not. One must be able to understand the concept of manipulation to be able to manipulate.
Some babies develop faster than others. My daughter knew how to manipulate (or at least, tried to), by the time she was 12 months old.
OCB

Hollywood, FL

#626805 May 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't have a Nazi, slave driving boss.
Don't be jealous.
LOL!!

I work from home, dear - and I set my own hours. YOU are the one working on weekends and on a national holiday no less and a holiday in memory of all of our veterans!

Of course, what you're at your job you are not working- just warming your chair with your a@@.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626806 May 27, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Invincible ignorance. That is ignorance in spite of the facts. <quoted text> So? They quote Hitler. Historians use secondary sources to investigate. <quoted text> An interest in truth. It is Topix idiots who insist Hitler was a Christian demonstrate two things. They do not know what Christianity is. They define Christianity by folks like Hitler not by primary source material which would be the New Testament. In other words they define Christianity by what it is not. In that way they find common ground with Adolf Hitler because he also defined Christianity by what it is not.
<quoted text> Mostly varied degrees of protestant and Catholic which explains why Hitler had to send many to the concentration camps who refused to conform to Nazi re definitions of Christianity. You still have not answered any of my points.
But the 'historians' points are be treated with caution, which I've already pointed out. That is widely recognised.

So Germany was predominantly a Christian nation.

Who fired the bullets? Did Hitler? Who worked in the concentration camps? Hitler?

“The Intrepid”

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#626807 May 27, 2013
huh wrote:
...
So far, you haven't been right yet. Tomorrow, figure out what time zones are then try Opposite Day.
FYI, I was referring to a post he had made even earlier than this one...

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

...where he had said "tonight". His avatar has "Dodge" with a capital D on it, which I took to imply he lives in the U.S. He couldn't live far enough away on this continent for it to be night time.

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