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#626970 May 28, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Very true.
People often misquote by saying: Money is the root of all evil.
But that's not the quote- the quote is: For the LOVE of money is the root of all evil.
While I don't buy into the majority of bible scripture, the above is certainly true enough.
Greed is a terrible thing.
Hey OCB :)

I hope you are well.

I think it's close, but still no cookie. The Prophet Muhammed said it more accurately. "Love of the world is the root of all evil".

There is a subtle but important difference. Physically, money is worthless. I cannot even wipe my butt in comfort using money. It's a worthless piece of paper. Money in and of itself, is worthless. But money is important, because it can be traded for things that have some worth, things that add value to life.

Money is just a liquid commodity. Accurately speaking, no one really likes money, let alone loves money. Accurately speaking, people love what money can buy. They love what money can be traded for. Money can be traded for food, clothes, a house, a car, a boat, certain services etc. Worldly, material items, that bring people value and comfort in life.

But when we love these material items too much, then it becomes destructive. People can choose to buy a sports car, over their children's education, or buying a fancy mansion, over investing in a business that'll create employment for others.

A moral or ethical balance has to be attained. People aren't greedy for money. They're greedy for what money can buy, however unnecessary it may be.

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#626971 May 28, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Why do you think that disproving the Catholic and Anglican church equates to disproving the existence of God?
You`re saying that the Catholic and Anglican Communions do not exist?

I think the pope and the archbishop of Canterbury may disagree with you.

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#626972 May 28, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Hey OCB :)
I hope you are well.
I think it's close, but still no cookie. The Prophet Muhammed said it more accurately. "Love of the world is the root of all evil".
There is a subtle but important difference. Physically, money is worthless. I cannot even wipe my butt in comfort using money. It's a worthless piece of paper. Money in and of itself, is worthless. But money is important, because it can be traded for things that have some worth, things that add value to life.
Money is just a liquid commodity. Accurately speaking, no one really likes money, let alone loves money. Accurately speaking, people love what money can buy. They love what money can be traded for. Money can be traded for food, clothes, a house, a car, a boat, certain services etc. Worldly, material items, that bring people value and comfort in life.
But when we love these material items too much, then it becomes destructive. People can choose to buy a sports car, over their children's education, or buying a fancy mansion, over investing in a business that'll create employment for others.
A moral or ethical balance has to be attained. People aren't greedy for money. They're greedy for what money can buy, however unnecessary it may be.
Hi TT! Yes- life is good!

Good points in your post, but I DO love the world which is different from loving worldly possessions.....

But I think it goes without saying that the love of money means one loves what money can buy.

Anyway, the bottom line is greed. There is nothing wrong with needing money for the basic necessities or to even love money in order to be able to pay for those basic necessities.

It's when people have more money than they or their loved ones can spend in TEN lifetimes- never mind just ONE- and they still thirst for more, more, more.

That is the epitome of greediness and greediness at its absolute worst.

Hope all is well with you in your neck of the woods!

:-)

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#626973 May 28, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Yes it is. The faith based assumption is no God. No Intelligence behind it all. <quoted text> Yeah i think we understand all that. What i think you ignore is atheism offers nothing by way of explanation for anything.
<quoted text> And that is an important difference. An explanation is offered and not avoided or ignored. Atheism effectively renders it all meaningless. Atheism is mute. <quoted text> Atheists despise a God they do not believe exists. That brings up some interesting psychological consequences. Sort of like ranting and raving against Santa. Your reasons depicted indicate the whole God thing is somehow reprehensible to you but that does not demonstrate there is no God. God can be reprehensible to you and still exist! In other words, outrage is not a valid justification for atheism if one is interested in the truth of the matter.
Fallacious, you are not us so why do you purport to speak for us, we are all different and unique. Thus, you are either a liar or simply deluded.

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#626974 May 28, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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They all think that God/Christians are obligated to "show" them proof of his existence, or answer their demands for some odd reason, that i have yet to figure out...
The problem is not with the evidence and their appeal to lack of evidence is nothing more than lip service since any evidence offered is rejected for this or that reason. At the core of their being is protection of their atheism from any outside source. Evidence is never compiled but picked apart. The rejection of Hitler Table Talk is a prime example. They isolate and point to problems and dismiss it as a whole ignoring the fact there are outside sources which effectively validates many of Hitler's quotes in Table Talk. Its all a disease called denial.

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#626975 May 28, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> The problem is not with the evidence and their appeal to lack of evidence is nothing more than lip service since any evidence offered is rejected for this or that reason. At the core of their being is protection of their atheism from any outside source. Evidence is never compiled but picked apart. The rejection of Hitler Table Talk is a prime example. They isolate and point to problems and dismiss it as a whole ignoring the fact there are outside sources which effectively validates many of Hitler's quotes in Table Talk. Its all a disease called denial.
Yet, you have offered no evidence to dismiss. So, again, where is this evidence you all keep claiming exists?

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#626976 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Fallacious, you are not us so why do you purport to speak for us, we are all different and unique. Thus, you are either a liar or simply deluded.
When are you going to get some sort of professional help for your comprehension problems? You assume i am speaking for you? LOL LOL LOL.

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#626977 May 28, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler's Table Talk is not considered authentic, at all. It was a utter fabrication.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm
The New Testament is an immoral rag.
Your source is from a fellow named Jim Walker. Who the hell is he? What are his credentials? I notice Jim is a Jesus mythicist. Not much credibility there. You ignored outside sources which validate many quotes in Table Talk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi...

''When we National Socialists speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.[76]

During the war Alfred Rosenberg formulated a thirty-point program for the National Reich Church, which included:

The National Reich Church claims exclusive right and control over all Churches.
The National Church is determined to exterminate foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.
The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible.
The National Church will clear away from its altars all Crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of Saints.
On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf and to the left of the altar a sword.[77]

I could provide other sources which validates much of the Hitler quotes in Table Talk. The wiki article cites all the Catholic Priests who were either killed or hauled off to the concentration camps. That is something else for you to ignore since you are not interested in the truth of the matter. When it comes to actual truth atheists like you are simply gutless.

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#626978 May 28, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> When are you going to get some sort of professional help for your comprehension problems? You assume i am speaking for you? LOL LOL LOL.
I am an atheist.

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#626979 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yet, you have offered no evidence to dismiss. So, again, where is this evidence you all keep claiming exists?
I have done it before and it is an exercise in futility especially with folks like you who demonstrate a profound inability to understand simple posts. If you can muck them up there is no reason you would do better with things which might be more complicated.

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#626980 May 28, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Your source is from a fellow named Jim Walker. Who the hell is he? What are his credentials? I notice Jim is a Jesus mythicist. Not much credibility there. You ignored outside sources which validate many quotes in Table Talk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi...
''When we National Socialists speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.[76]
During the war Alfred Rosenberg formulated a thirty-point program for the National Reich Church, which included:
The National Reich Church claims exclusive right and control over all Churches.
The National Church is determined to exterminate foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.
The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible.
The National Church will clear away from its altars all Crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of Saints.
On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf and to the left of the altar a sword.[77]
I could provide other sources which validates much of the Hitler quotes in Table Talk. The wiki article cites all the Catholic Priests who were either killed or hauled off to the concentration camps. That is something else for you to ignore since you are not interested in the truth of the matter. When it comes to actual truth atheists like you are simply gutless.
I'll ask it again.

Why does it matter what religion Hitler was? A very very Christain German people went to war, practiced genocide and embraced Hitler.

You keep evading this fact.

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#626981 May 28, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Are you of European descent? Because if you are, you're a child of Israel and the law would apply to you.
No, I am of American descent.

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#626982 May 28, 2013
saidI wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Missionary
Doggie
Cowgirl
Reverse cowgirl (my fav)
And you think your God wants you to live for eternity? With these sort of comments and the one about having anal sex with your wife. Your extremely immodest. From what I've heard about your God he certainly wouldn't want you. Plus you ain't Jewish decent.
God blessed me with a dick.

I like to use it.

So?

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#626984 May 28, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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I'll ask it again.
Why does it matter what religion Hitler was? A very very Christain German people went to war, practiced genocide and embraced Hitler.
You keep evading this fact.
I haven't evaded anything and you have. Don't accuse me for the things you practice. That is called projection. Either you have memory or comprehension problems or both. The reason people claim Hitler was a Christian is to smear Christianity. If you can't figure that out then your not so smart. Some things are not all that difficult to understand. 1930s Germany was nominally Christian and educated. Again you ignore the facts serious Christians were sent to the Russian Front and were considered 2nd class. Many were outright killed or sent to concentration camps. Catholic Priests, Nuns, even college Professors, lined up and shot. How much do you actually know about history?

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#626985 May 28, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Not the same thing. They were being supplied by the Army to soldiers. Until it was exposed. Killing for Christianity. Whoop!
Explain how that is killing **for** Christianity.

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#626986 May 28, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> I have done it before and it is an exercise in futility especially with folks like you who demonstrate a profound inability to understand simple posts. If you can muck them up there is no reason you would do better with things which might be more complicated.
Yet, you have offered no evidence to dismiss. So, again, where is this evidence you all keep claiming exists? You have presented no evidence yet, none, all you do is recite assertions. Where is the evidence?

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#626987 May 28, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler's Table Talk is not considered authentic, at all. It was a utter fabrication.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm
The New Testament is an immoral rag.
Of course it is, every atheist website will tell you that every comment of Hitler's that is against Christianity is a fake, a fabrication.....

lol

Y'alls is strange.

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#626988 May 28, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, no, we question the existence of all gods, but again, we (or at least I) live in the US. Our conversations are naturally going to concern the dominant religion.
Sure, sure...

But the point was that y'all only deny ONE person's existence in history, Jesus.

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#626989 May 28, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't praise a doctor "killing a fetus." He is performing a necessary service. A soldier in war is killing people to make other people money and solidify our empire. They might fall for all the "freedom and justice" crap, so in that respect I feel bad for them, but they are killers nonetheless.
Nice way to "justify" abortion - it's a service.

But the soldier protecting civilians and protecting freedom is a killing, murderous bastard....

O_o

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#626990 May 28, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed we do. Though I have trouble believing that a change of politicians would accomplish much, in the US anyway. I think the main problem in the US is the godforsaken idea that money is literally free speech.
You've got a strange and very pessimistic view of America.

I feel bad for you.

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