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#626368 May 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I agree, I never gave my kids ice cream at that age, I only used it as an example.
However, you raise a good point; "when they request the ice cream in the only way they know how".
Whether it be ice cream, SpongeBob or the favorite blankie, no parent should succumb to the baby's whims just because they cry, that's how the manipulation starts.
No. I agree that parents should not give in to every whim of the child, but what the baby is doing does not constitute manipulation. It is simply communicating a desire in the only way it knows how, and it does not understand that crying may be seen as "manipulative." If a baby constantly cries for something, it is a conditioned behavior, not an act of manipulation.

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#626369 May 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know that. They learn as they age.
But if a baby learns that by crying, mommy will do what I want (like get that favorite doll), they learn how to manipulate very quickly.
Babies are ignorant, but they sure aren't stupid.
No, they learn that a certain behavior elicits a certain response. Rats can do this to. Are they being manipulative?

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#626370 May 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, it's not. One must be able to understand the concept of manipulation to be able to manipulate.
So, what? One day you don't know how to manipulate and then another day *poof* you know how to manipulate?

Babies learn how to manipulate a very young age, they're intelligent, they're human.

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#626371 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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I'm from the UK. We have also a huge variation in accents. Yeah like American accents, it's just I struggle with spelling anyway, let alone have to deal with an American spell check! LOL.
I quite like the Cally accent as it goes :)
The worst Brit accent has to be the Birmingham accent. Google it.
Will do, thanks.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#626372 May 25, 2013
Joseph is Jesus father wrote:
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So god is a male gender but was never created?
We were all created in the image of God, male and female. If God is both male and female, and is not a hermaphrodite, God must be female. Eve was created from a rib taken from Adam and was called Woman because she was taken out of Man. Women are also men but men are not women. The serpent was an earthly creation for sexual purposes.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

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#626373 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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Cheers buddy!
Hope you've been well recently!
Just killing some time :)
Hi, Skitz!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

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#626374 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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I know what you're saying.
The responsibility is entirely on the adult. It isn't initially manipulation. Not well into their childhood at least. This is where we will differ RR. I believe until well into childhood it is learned behaviour.
(I keep getting red lined for my spelling of behaviour. American spell check on chrome spins my brain out. I think it's me, then I realise((Realise is another one)) you guys don't do 'u' as much in words and you prefere z'ds to s). Confusing.
I do that, too.

Heck with Spellcheck.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626375 May 25, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I do that, too.
Heck with Spellcheck.
Hi Mac!

Nice to see you bud! The spell check bends my head. God knows it struggles anyway!!

How the devil are you chap?

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626376 May 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>We were all created in the image of God, male and female. If God is both male and female, and is not a hermaphrodite, God must be female. Eve was created from a rib taken from Adam and was called Woman because she was taken out of Man. Women are also men but men are not women. The serpent was an earthly creation for sexual purposes.
What were they doing with the serpent?

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#626377 May 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So, what? One day you don't know how to manipulate and then another day *poof* you know how to manipulate?
Babies learn how to manipulate a very young age, they're intelligent, they're human.
I don't know at exactly what age we learn how to manipulate, but I would imagine it happens sometime after the object permanence realization, at the least. You're muddying the issue. I can't say *when* exactly we learn to manipulate, but I can say with confidence that manipulation is not possible at 6 months. A theory of mind may be necessary for *true* manipulation, honestly.

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#626378 May 25, 2013
Btw, the object permanence thing was a joke. *Obviously* the ability to manipulate happens after that.

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#626379 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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Hi Mac!
Nice to see you bud! The spell check bends my head. God knows it struggles anyway!!
How the devil are you chap?
chrome://settings/languages

If you copy that into your address bar, you can add european english as your preferred language. Seems like your copy of chrome is set to american english.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626380 May 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
Btw, the object permanence thing was a joke.*Obviously* the ability to manipulate happens after that.
I can't remember when the theory of mind kicks in roughly but I think it's around two. I know doctors perform a test where they have two dolls that are playing with a toy. They have one of the dolls leave the room and whilst they are no longer in the room the other doll hides the toy under a box. When the other doll comes back into the room they ask the child where the doll thinks the toy is. Young children tend to think the doll that had left the room knows the toy is hidden under the box. When the theory of mind kicks in a child will say she does not know where the toy is.

Interesting subject. Thanks for bringing that up.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626381 May 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>chrome://settings/lang uages
If you copy that into your address bar, you can add european english as your preferred language. Seems like your copy of chrome is set to american english.
Many thanks!

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626382 May 25, 2013
ftp://ftp.geoinfo.tuwien.ac.at /wilke/BUP_Job_GeoInfo/PhD/Flo rian/PhD%20on%20Florian%20Twar och%20(Gi16)/LITERATURE/2001_B C_normdevelopment.pdf

This is based around Autism and the difficulties in the theory of mind.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626383 May 25, 2013
http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pu...

The other link wont work, but this is good too.

The link about Autism said it develops around the age of 3-4 in typical children.

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#626384 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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I can't remember when the theory of mind kicks in roughly but I think it's around two. I know doctors perform a test where they have two dolls that are playing with a toy. They have one of the dolls leave the room and whilst they are no longer in the room the other doll hides the toy under a box. When the other doll comes back into the room they ask the child where the doll thinks the toy is. Young children tend to think the doll that had left the room knows the toy is hidden under the box. When the theory of mind kicks in a child will say she does not know where the toy is.
Interesting subject. Thanks for bringing that up.
Very interesting stuff, thanks for the link below this.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#626385 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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Hi Mac!
Nice to see you bud! The spell check bends my head. God knows it struggles anyway!!
How the devil are you chap?
Same as mostly - so far, so good.

How's by you?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

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#626386 May 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>chrome://settings/lang uages
If you copy that into your address bar, you can add european english as your preferred language. Seems like your copy of chrome is set to american english.
Is there a way to just turn the damned thing off?

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626387 May 25, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Same as mostly - so far, so good.
How's by you?
Ticking over nicely mate. I don't get much time to get online these days. It's nice to be able to dip in now and again, but it's terrible for my sleeping patterns! I'm off to France and Germany for a bit at the end of the summer with work for awhile. Hopefully I'll be able to put some time in here prior to that.

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