Prove there's a god.

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#626367 May 25, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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It was more then just "theft" that took place at that giving time. If you would read the story you would see that. Achan was a "soldier" who disobeyed a diret order, and not only stole from the enemy, but he stole from God as well. He was guilty for 2 different accounts of theft,as well as disobeying wat God had commanded them to do. He kept the gold and silver and other stuff for himself, that was suppose to have been taken to the Lord's house. In return cause some of his fellow soldiers to be killed by his actions.
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Again, NO i did not say that i support public execution,, you LIAR.. This is what i take issue with dimwitt, you are saying i do, and i dont!!!! I said back in those days it was a deterrent
just like the wiki link said it was, because the evidence to prove someone was guilty of a crime that was punishable by stoning was SET AT SUCH A HIGH STANDARD and was almost impossile to acheive.
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OK,,... So tell us what your form of justice should be giving to GUILTY person in my example i gave you?
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Read the story, like i said it was more then just "theft" that made it justifiable to give that punishment in those days..
You have your right for your opinion, but thats all it is. Just like mine, and my opinion is that GOD is JUST and FAIR in his way of dealing with Sin and circumstances.
Sure, you have your right to an opinion. Opinions can be wrong, however. I am loathe to offer straight up black and white morality directives, but in this case, you are wrong. There is nothing moral or right about sentencing a man to death for theft. It becomes pure sadism when his entire family is sentenced along with him. Also, insubordination does not warrant death, especially insubordination to a fictional character.

You did advocate for public execution. Do I need to quote you yet again? You mentioned the example of public stoning in ancient times as an effective deterrent, and then you said that "we could use something like that in modern times - a swift execution." I am paraphrasing you slightly, but that is nearly an exact quote, and I can go back for the actual quote if need be. Do you deny that what you said is a clear endorsement of public execution? If that is not what you meant, say so, but there is no other conclusion for me to make based on your original words.

Why are you so keen on getting my opinion on your ridiculous scenario? It has nothing to do with your endorsement of public execution nor with your touching story of a man executed for theft. Anyways, I believe that anyone who could do that to a child should never be able to freely interact in society again. If it was personal, I would try to kill him myself, which is why we do not practice vigilantism anymore. I do not agree with the state punishing barbarism with barbarism. It makes no sense. We should definitely isolate such individuals, but instead of killing them or locking them up and leaving them to rot, we could try to learn from them and use our knowledge to help prevent similar things from occurring in the future.

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#626368 May 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I agree, I never gave my kids ice cream at that age, I only used it as an example.
However, you raise a good point; "when they request the ice cream in the only way they know how".
Whether it be ice cream, SpongeBob or the favorite blankie, no parent should succumb to the baby's whims just because they cry, that's how the manipulation starts.
No. I agree that parents should not give in to every whim of the child, but what the baby is doing does not constitute manipulation. It is simply communicating a desire in the only way it knows how, and it does not understand that crying may be seen as "manipulative." If a baby constantly cries for something, it is a conditioned behavior, not an act of manipulation.

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#626369 May 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know that. They learn as they age.
But if a baby learns that by crying, mommy will do what I want (like get that favorite doll), they learn how to manipulate very quickly.
Babies are ignorant, but they sure aren't stupid.
No, they learn that a certain behavior elicits a certain response. Rats can do this to. Are they being manipulative?

“Ditat Deus”

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#626370 May 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, it's not. One must be able to understand the concept of manipulation to be able to manipulate.
So, what? One day you don't know how to manipulate and then another day *poof* you know how to manipulate?

Babies learn how to manipulate a very young age, they're intelligent, they're human.

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#626371 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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I'm from the UK. We have also a huge variation in accents. Yeah like American accents, it's just I struggle with spelling anyway, let alone have to deal with an American spell check! LOL.
I quite like the Cally accent as it goes :)
The worst Brit accent has to be the Birmingham accent. Google it.
Will do, thanks.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#626372 May 25, 2013
Joseph is Jesus father wrote:
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So god is a male gender but was never created?
We were all created in the image of God, male and female. If God is both male and female, and is not a hermaphrodite, God must be female. Eve was created from a rib taken from Adam and was called Woman because she was taken out of Man. Women are also men but men are not women. The serpent was an earthly creation for sexual purposes.

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Since: Sep 08

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#626373 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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Cheers buddy!
Hope you've been well recently!
Just killing some time :)
Hi, Skitz!

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Since: Sep 08

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#626374 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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I know what you're saying.
The responsibility is entirely on the adult. It isn't initially manipulation. Not well into their childhood at least. This is where we will differ RR. I believe until well into childhood it is learned behaviour.
(I keep getting red lined for my spelling of behaviour. American spell check on chrome spins my brain out. I think it's me, then I realise((Realise is another one)) you guys don't do 'u' as much in words and you prefere z'ds to s). Confusing.
I do that, too.

Heck with Spellcheck.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626375 May 25, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I do that, too.
Heck with Spellcheck.
Hi Mac!

Nice to see you bud! The spell check bends my head. God knows it struggles anyway!!

How the devil are you chap?

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626376 May 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>We were all created in the image of God, male and female. If God is both male and female, and is not a hermaphrodite, God must be female. Eve was created from a rib taken from Adam and was called Woman because she was taken out of Man. Women are also men but men are not women. The serpent was an earthly creation for sexual purposes.
What were they doing with the serpent?

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#626377 May 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So, what? One day you don't know how to manipulate and then another day *poof* you know how to manipulate?
Babies learn how to manipulate a very young age, they're intelligent, they're human.
I don't know at exactly what age we learn how to manipulate, but I would imagine it happens sometime after the object permanence realization, at the least. You're muddying the issue. I can't say *when* exactly we learn to manipulate, but I can say with confidence that manipulation is not possible at 6 months. A theory of mind may be necessary for *true* manipulation, honestly.

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#626378 May 25, 2013
Btw, the object permanence thing was a joke. *Obviously* the ability to manipulate happens after that.

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#626379 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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Hi Mac!
Nice to see you bud! The spell check bends my head. God knows it struggles anyway!!
How the devil are you chap?
chrome://settings/languages

If you copy that into your address bar, you can add european english as your preferred language. Seems like your copy of chrome is set to american english.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626380 May 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
Btw, the object permanence thing was a joke.*Obviously* the ability to manipulate happens after that.
I can't remember when the theory of mind kicks in roughly but I think it's around two. I know doctors perform a test where they have two dolls that are playing with a toy. They have one of the dolls leave the room and whilst they are no longer in the room the other doll hides the toy under a box. When the other doll comes back into the room they ask the child where the doll thinks the toy is. Young children tend to think the doll that had left the room knows the toy is hidden under the box. When the theory of mind kicks in a child will say she does not know where the toy is.

Interesting subject. Thanks for bringing that up.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626381 May 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>chrome://settings/lang uages
If you copy that into your address bar, you can add european english as your preferred language. Seems like your copy of chrome is set to american english.
Many thanks!

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626382 May 25, 2013
ftp://ftp.geoinfo.tuwien.ac.at /wilke/BUP_Job_GeoInfo/PhD/Flo rian/PhD%20on%20Florian%20Twar och%20(Gi16)/LITERATURE/2001_B C_normdevelopment.pdf

This is based around Autism and the difficulties in the theory of mind.

“Just a very naughty boy.”

Since: Dec 08

Dodge

#626383 May 25, 2013
http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pu...

The other link wont work, but this is good too.

The link about Autism said it develops around the age of 3-4 in typical children.

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#626384 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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I can't remember when the theory of mind kicks in roughly but I think it's around two. I know doctors perform a test where they have two dolls that are playing with a toy. They have one of the dolls leave the room and whilst they are no longer in the room the other doll hides the toy under a box. When the other doll comes back into the room they ask the child where the doll thinks the toy is. Young children tend to think the doll that had left the room knows the toy is hidden under the box. When the theory of mind kicks in a child will say she does not know where the toy is.
Interesting subject. Thanks for bringing that up.
Very interesting stuff, thanks for the link below this.

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Since: Sep 08

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#626385 May 25, 2013
Skitz wrote:
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Hi Mac!
Nice to see you bud! The spell check bends my head. God knows it struggles anyway!!
How the devil are you chap?
Same as mostly - so far, so good.

How's by you?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#626386 May 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>chrome://settings/lang uages
If you copy that into your address bar, you can add european english as your preferred language. Seems like your copy of chrome is set to american english.
Is there a way to just turn the damned thing off?

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