Prove there's a god.

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#625779 May 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What evidence do you have of that? None.
I've even posted that I "know" witches and witchcraft don't exist.
How the hell could I condemn someone to death for something I don't believe they can do???
Lordy lordy. Do you understand the nature of a hypothetical?

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#625780 May 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What I wrote stands, the biblically ignorant the ***the*** bible is "a mess".
Well, that clears things up.

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#625781 May 22, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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You assume wrong once again. What makes you think i "pick and choose"? I believe every word written in the Bible OT and NT, i do my very best to live and obey what is written in the NT and what is required of a follower of Jesus Christ.
Show me were Hitler "picked" his reason to do the things he done, from Gods word? What scripture could he possibly use to support his actions?
Same for the kkk, what part of the Bible says to kill black's and have hatred for every race except for white Americans?
It is clear you pick and choose, otherwise, you'd be in prison now.

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#625782 May 22, 2013
http://mapsofwar.com/images/Religion.swf

A cool map that shows the spread of religion through time.

Basically, colonialism was the best thing to ever happen to christianity.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#625783 May 22, 2013
saidI wrote:
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If Hitler before he pulled the trigger, Prayed truly for God to forgive him for the horror he had created, forgave himself of his sin's, then how I've understood it he's going to heaven, as long as he says forgive me for what I'm about to do; pull the trigger then off to heaven.
It's a little more complicated then that. First, God would have to be drawing him to be saved (inviting). God's word says,(Jesus) speaking that "no man can come unto me, except the Father who sent me draws him""..

Now "if" that was the case, and God drew him, and he repented then yes his sins are forgiving. Now the suicide thing, i honestly dont have a clear understanding about that. Meaning if a Christian done that, if they would enter Heaven. Thats an issue within itself, Christian/suicide, just doesnt go together for me. Although there is scripture that speaks of Sampson "more or less" killing himself as he brought down a buidling on him and his enemies.
So, who knows. I cant give an opinion on that.

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#625784 May 22, 2013
You think there's 2 billion forms of the bible?!
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Pretty much.
That's nuts.

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#625785 May 22, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>We understand what you are saying. What you need to explain is *why* your interpretation of the bible is the right one. Why is it more valid than the christian (who has just as much faith) who directly contradicts you?
It's not necessarily 'how' it's interpreted.

In the case of Leviticus, it's pretty clear. It was written Laws for the Levite people and nothing else. It's recorded in the bible for history, for future generations and cultures to learn from and to not repeat the same 'evil ways' they did.

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#625786 May 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You think there's 2 billion forms of the bible?!
<quoted text>
That's nuts.
I doubt there are any two christians who completely agree on every nuance of the bible.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#625787 May 22, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, attractive people tend to be more intelligent.
LOL! I don't think that It's not that beautiful people are especially smart, so much as that ugly people are especially dumb

“Ditat Deus”

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#625788 May 22, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Yes, Adam and Eve never existed. Provable by paleoanthropology, archaeology, and DNA.
We humans ARE in the great ape line. Archaeologists, and paleoanthropologists have been saying this for many years, and DNA just confirmed it last year.
Ok, that's great. But how's that prove Adam & Eve didn't exist?
Sharkey

Vallejo, CA

#625789 May 22, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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It's not a "threat"!!
Same applys to me, we are all gonna face death and
"see or not see" the "truth". Although i have "no doubt"! My belief is firm, unmovable, unchangable and forever settled.
It's a reasonable thing to say to those who dont believe, because it will take death to give them their "proof/evidence"....
How else can they know the truth while here on earth, if they refuse to believe now?
Why does it take death to reveal the proof/evidence of this god?

Dead people can't tell us what they see, because they see nothing - they're DEAD. DEAD FOREVER.

Why can't your god prove himself while people are STILL ALIVE, and do so in a way that ALL 7 BILLION people on this earth have seen it happen with their REAL, ACTUAL EYES so we humans can FINALLY STOP FIGHTING over whether one exists or not and this thread will end?

What is so damn difficult for you religionists to comprehend about this???

It's so damn simple!

Believing does NOT = seeing and it NEVER WILL!

Zero will NEVER be = to 1.

With your method of "waiting till death" the dead can NEVER PROVE that "they saw god" because they can NEVER come back alive to say so!

And for you to believe that is to believe in a LIE, and it is an EMPTY threat.

So you have basically firmly decided to delude yourself. You choose to lie to yourself, bullsh!t yourself.

And isn't lying a sin?

Ironic how your own behavior is sending you to the same hell that you religionists condemn other people to, just like the phony lying hypocrites that you are.

“Ditat Deus”

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#625790 May 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You are confused.
What you stated makes no sense and is unfounded.
Your logic as you have above:
- since the poster uses the Bible to show how so-called "Christians" 'pick and choose' their belief, you think with doing this, the poster needs to follow the texts they "picked and chose" for reference toward that another poster.
You are confused if this is what you think the poster meant.
This sounds like fear.
Why do you try to play other posters when they correct you?
Nope, she "picked and choosed" only the parts of she bible she wanted, to make her case that the bible is 'immoral' or 'evil'.

Right after bitching that Christians play the "pick and choose" game.

THAT is hypocrisy.

“let's do this thang!”

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#625791 May 22, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, it doesn't. And it's not going to happen at a global scale.
I never said you were my enemy. I think that you are one of the biggest idiots I've ever encountered, but you don't have to worry about me fantasizing about your death. I'm not so sure you could say the same thing to me.
lol - um....thanks i guess:)

no dude, i'm with Jesus when He said "i didn't come to destroy men's lives, but I came to save them":)
Sharkey

Vallejo, CA

#625792 May 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
A fair statement. I agree (wow).
Lemme ask ya, what Christians are killing for Christianity?
<quoted text>
Um, ok. That's your opinion. But do you have any facts to back up your opinion?
What Christians are killing FOR Christianity?
Christians command their god to change the hearts or kill those who refuse to convert.

All of them are using passive-aggressive, psychological warfare. The strategy is to get the whole human race to mentally twist itself to the point of fighting itself to extinction.

Since their pipe dream of Christians-only world will never come true, now, it's their way - an all-Christian world - or no way - which means all humans die.

Since it's likely to be no-way, then humans are facing certain self-extinction.
Sharkey

Vallejo, CA

#625793 May 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You think there's 2 billion forms of the bible?!
<quoted text>
That's nuts.
What's nuts is that you don't believe that each individual interprets the bible in his own way, even if they go to the same church.

You are naïve. Wake up out of your Christupor!

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#625794 May 22, 2013
Further information: Neanderthal genome project

Early investigations concentrated on mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), which, owing to strictly matrilineal inheritance and subsequent vulnerability to genetic drift, is of limited value in evaluating the possibility of interbreeding of Neanderthals with Cro-Magnon people.

In 1997, geneticists were able to extract a short sequence of DNA from Neanderthal bones from 30,000 years ago.[62] The extraction of mtDNA from a second specimen was reported in 2000, and showed no sign of modern human descent from Neanderthals.[38]


Scientist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology extracting the DNA.
In July 2006, the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology and 454 Life Sciences announced that they would sequence the Neanderthal genome over the next two years. This genome is expected to be roughly the size of the human genome, three-billion base pairs, and share most of its genes. It was hoped the comparison would expand understanding of Neanderthals, as well as the evolution of humans and human brains.[63]

Svante Pääbo has tested more than 70 Neanderthal specimens. Preliminary DNA sequencing from a 38,000-year-old bone fragment of a femur found at Vindija Cave, Croatia, in 1980 showed Neanderthals and modern humans share about 99.5% of their DNA. From mtDNA analysis estimates, the two species shared a common ancestor about 500,000 years ago. An article[64] appearing in the journal Nature has calculated the species diverged about 516,000 years ago, whereas fossil records show a time of about 400,000 years ago.[65] A 2007 study pushes the point of divergence back to around 800,000 years ago.[66]

Edward Rubin of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory states recent genome testing of Neanderthals suggests human and Neanderthal DNA are some 99.5% to nearly 99.9% identical.[67][68]

On 16 November 2006, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory issued a press release suggesting Neanderthals and ancient humans probably did not interbreed.[69] Edward M. Rubin, director of the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the Joint Genome Institute (JGI), sequenced a fraction (0.00002) of genomic nuclear DNA (nDNA) from a 38,000-year-old Vindia Neanderthal femur. They calculated the common ancestor to be about 353,000 years ago, and a complete separation of the ancestors of the species about 188,000 years ago.[70]

Their results show the genomes of modern humans and Neanderthals are at least 99.5% identical, but despite this genetic similarity, and despite the two species having coexisted in the same geographic region for thousands of years, Rubin and his team did not find any evidence of any significant crossbreeding between the two. Rubin said, "While unable to definitively conclude that interbreeding between the two species of humans did not occur, analysis of the nuclear DNA from the Neanderthal suggests the low likelihood of it having occurred at any appreciable level."[70]

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#625795 May 22, 2013
In 2008 Richard E. Green et al. from Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany published the full sequence of Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and suggested "Neanderthals had a long-term effective population size smaller than that of modern humans."[71] Writing in Nature about Green et al.'s findings, James Morgan asserted the mtDNA sequence contained clues that Neanderthals lived in "small and isolated populations, and probably did not interbreed with their human neighbours."[72][73]

In the same publication, it was disclosed by Svante Pääbo that in the previous work at the Max Planck Institute that "Contamination was indeed an issue," and they eventually realized that 11% of their sample was modern human DNA.[74][75] Since then, more of the preparation work has been done in clean areas and 4-base pair 'tags' have been added to the DNA as soon as it is extracted so the Neanderthal DNA can be identified.

With 3 billion nucleotides sequenced, analysis of about &#8531; showed no sign of admixture between modern humans and Neanderthals, according to Pääbo. This concurred with the work of Noonan from two years earlier. The variant of microcephalin common outside Africa, which was suggested to be of Neanderthal origin and responsible for rapid brain growth in humans, was not found in Neanderthals. Nor was the MAPT variant, a very old variant found primarily in Europeans.[74]

However, an analysis of a first draft of the Neanderthal genome by the same team released in May 2010 indicates interbreeding may have occurred.[13][14] "Those of us who live outside Africa carry a little Neanderthal DNA in us," said Pääbo, who led the study. "The proportion of Neanderthal-inherited genetic material is about 1 to 4 percent. It is a small but very real proportion of ancestry in non-Africans today," says Dr. David Reich of Harvard Medical School, who worked on the study. This research compared the genome of the Neanderthals to five modern humans from China, France, sub-Saharan Africa, and Papua New Guinea. The finding is that about 1 to 4 percent of the genes of the non-Africans came from Neanderthals, compared to the baseline defined by the two Africans.[13]

This indicates a gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans, i.e., interbreeding between the two populations. Since the three non-African genomes show a similar proportion of Neanderthal sequences, the interbreeding must have occurred early in the migration of modern humans out of Africa, perhaps in the Middle East. No evidence for gene flow in the direction from modern humans to Neanderthals was found. Gene flow from modern humans to Neanderthals would not be expected if contact occurred between a small colonizing population of modern humans and a much larger resident population of Neanderthals. A very limited amount of interbreeding could explain the findings, if it occurred early enough in the colonization process.[13]

While interbreeding is viewed as the most parsimonious interpretation of the genetic discoveries, the authors point out they cannot conclusively rule out an alternative scenario, in which the source population of non-African modern humans was already more closely related to Neanderthals than other Africans were, due to ancient genetic divisions within Africa.[13]

Among the genes shown to differ between present-day humans and Neanderthals were RPTN, SPAG17, CAN15, TTF1 and PCD16.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#625796 May 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nope, she "picked and choosed" only the parts of she bible she wanted, to make her case that the bible is 'immoral' or 'evil'.
Right after bitching that Christians play the "pick and choose" game.
THAT is hypocrisy.
No it isn't - it's called - believing something different.

You call it hypocrisy, because you can't handle the way she puts the perspective. So you pull "that card" - IMO, as an intimidation tactic.

Shoot - if you want to talk about unfounded claims, let's use your post to me.

You want me to prove a claim I didn't make, but when I ask you to substantiate you asking me to, you run-away and refuse to answer or blame me for not providing you with an answer.

Sure. Okay.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#625797 May 22, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
Further information: Neanderthal genome project
Early investigations concentrated on mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), which, owing to strictly matrilineal inheritance and subsequent vulnerability to genetic drift, is of limited value in evaluating the possibility of interbreeding of Neanderthals with Cro-Magnon people.
In 1997, geneticists were able to extract a short sequence of DNA from Neanderthal bones from 30,000 years ago.[62] The extraction of mtDNA from a second specimen was reported in 2000, and showed no sign of modern human descent from Neanderthals.[38]
Scientist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology extracting the DNA.
In July 2006, the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology and 454 Life Sciences announced that they would sequence the Neanderthal genome over the next two years. This genome is expected to be roughly the size of the human genome, three-billion base pairs, and share most of its genes. It was hoped the comparison would expand understanding of Neanderthals, as well as the evolution of humans and human brains.[63]
Svante Pääbo has tested more than 70 Neanderthal specimens. Preliminary DNA sequencing from a 38,000-year-old bone fragment of a femur found at Vindija Cave, Croatia, in 1980 showed Neanderthals and modern humans share about 99.5% of their DNA. From mtDNA analysis estimates, the two species shared a common ancestor about 500,000 years ago. An article[64] appearing in the journal Nature has calculated the species diverged about 516,000 years ago, whereas fossil records show a time of about 400,000 years ago.[65] A 2007 study pushes the point of divergence back to around 800,000 years ago.[66]
Edward Rubin of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory states recent genome testing of Neanderthals suggests human and Neanderthal DNA are some 99.5% to nearly 99.9% identical.[67][68]
On 16 November 2006, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory issued a press release suggesting Neanderthals and ancient humans probably did not interbreed.[69] Edward M. Rubin, director of the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the Joint Genome Institute (JGI), sequenced a fraction (0.00002) of genomic nuclear DNA (nDNA) from a 38,000-year-old Vindia Neanderthal femur. They calculated the common ancestor to be about 353,000 years ago, and a complete separation of the ancestors of the species about 188,000 years ago.[70]
Their results show the genomes of modern humans and Neanderthals are at least 99.5% identical, but despite this genetic similarity, and despite the two species having coexisted in the same geographic region for thousands of years, Rubin and his team did not find any evidence of any significant crossbreeding between the two. Rubin said, "While unable to definitively conclude that interbreeding between the two species of humans did not occur, analysis of the nuclear DNA from the Neanderthal suggests the low likelihood of it having occurred at any appreciable level."[70]
Just out of curiosity - what level of experience have you had with biogenetics?

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#625798 May 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>WOW. For someone who just a few weeks or a month ago was INSISTING that Catholics are NOT Christians- that "someone" having been YOU, RR- you sure are coming to their defense now.....
I hope you change your underwear as often as you change your position and opinions......
I'm not defending them, I'm asking for evidence in these two claims:

...more concerned about preventing contraception than preventing child rape

...more concerned about preventing gay marriage than genocide

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