“Ditat Deus”

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#625282 May 21, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Of course you want to back-peddle, it is understandable when one realizes that there are no differences.
Own the mistake and move on.
*sighs*
I'm not backpedaling, I'm challenging your claims.

Why can't you see that?
Sharkey

Vallejo, CA

#625283 May 21, 2013
What_You_Talkin_Bout wrote:
<quoted text> We cannot prove it. We are only human, what power do we have to prove it? We who believe in God chose to believe in him, he didn't need to prove to us. It isn't a fact that he exists but we choose to believe he does. You believe there isn't a God but that isn't a fact either. We believe what we choose to believe so it really doesn't matter if you believe, we'll keep believing, and it's your choice to believe in him or not. Just because you don't believe in him doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Your username is Apocalypse666, 666 is the symbol of the devil, how can you believe in the devil and think there isn't a God?
And just because you believe he exists doesn't mean he does.

If we cannot prove it, and it "isn't a fact", the we ARE basically fighting each other over bullsh!t, and we need to stop wasting our time and energy on this question before we make ourselves extinct over it.

Then what good would a god be if it existed?

Humans killing themselves over god is LUDICROUS!

“Ditat Deus”

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#625284 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Fine, demonstrate how saying that "ancient" is relative and subjective is circular logic.
I did already, in the post you responded to...

"OCB & Mac's reasoning is that ancient means really old, but only as old as they deem it, to suit their argument that the crusades isn't an ancient part of our history."
What_You_Talkin_ Bout

Marcus Hook, PA

#625285 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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so you are gullible.
Gullible? lol! how am I gullible? because i believe something you don't?! lol!

“Ditat Deus”

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#625286 May 21, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah...You're so sugary I could vomit.
At least your breath would smell better...
What_You_Talkin_ Bout

Marcus Hook, PA

#625287 May 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Yeah, we had a time when Christianity ruled most of the Western world....it was called 'The Dark Ages' Death for blasphemy, heresy, adultery, etc. Do we really want the Church telling us what to think, or watching our bedroom??
Good post....kudos
You might wanna go back and do some research buddy.

“Ditat Deus”

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#625288 May 21, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Pathetic. Just pathetic that you can't imagine a "for real" hottie being intelligent and having or making the time to post on a "stupid" thread.
It's called "beauty AND brains"- and it's too bad for you that it's obvious that in your experience with women, you've never known one who had both who would give you the time of day.
Oh yeah, sure. Find me a smart Miss America, or Miss universe, or miss whatever pageant winner.

Show me a smart hot girl and I'll show you a miracle.

“Ditat Deus”

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#625289 May 21, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>"Amazing" comeback, oh witless one.....you are not only hopeless; you are also hapless and helpless.
You forgot handsome.
What_You_Talkin_ Bout

Marcus Hook, PA

#625290 May 21, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>And just because you believe he exists doesn't mean he does.
If we cannot prove it, and it "isn't a fact", the we ARE basically fighting each other over bullsh!t, and we need to stop wasting our time and energy on this question before we make ourselves extinct over it.
Then what good would a god be if it existed?
Humans killing themselves over god is LUDICROUS!
LOL! GOD isn't the one fighting WE are. and it's our fault for being so stupid for fighting over belief. idk where you live in but i live in the USA where I am free to believe in whatever I want without anyone judging or criticizing, so are others who choose to believe in whatever they want or choose not to believe in anything at all

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#625291 May 21, 2013
There is a "god" for everyone. No religion can be the "true" religion without casting out millions of other people. Let the believers believe. Let the remainder constantly question.

“Ditat Deus”

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#625292 May 21, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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You're an idiot.
Awesome. Thanks.
Aw...

Did I put you on the spot and make you angry?

I thowy...

“Ditat Deus”

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#625293 May 21, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Your idea of honesty is impossible for many of us.
It is for me.
Thanks, honey.

“Ditat Deus”

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#625294 May 21, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>I know your goal is to make the world 100% Christian, but it will never happen.
Those Buddhists, Muslims (of which there are 1.8 billion, BTW, which is almost as many as Christianity, 1.8 is not that far from 2), Jews (who you hijacked Christianity from) Hindus, atheists, and agnostics will never go away.
In order for you to reach your sick, disgusting goal, people have to die if they refuse to be converted.
They will refuse, so what you're bascically asking for is a fight to the death - over silly belief.
You WANT the human race to die over bullsh!t. That's why you've convinced yourself of this delusion that "the whole world will be Christian".
Hell, you Christians can't even agree on WHICH DENOMINATION should rule the world!
So you will NEVER, EVER be able to pull this off as long as there are people against it, and there always will be!
There are not 1.8 billion Muslims.

You're either stupid, lying or misinformed. Which is it?

“Ditat Deus”

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#625295 May 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Do you get the DNA testing lab ads where you are on Topix??
I get them here and they advertise that they can tell you if you have some Neanderthal DNA in you. If you are white there is a Very good chance you do.
Do you only question the 'earth' sciences such as: archaeology, paleontology, geology, and anthropology, but totally accept the science that makes your medicines, smart cellphone, computer, TV, space-travel, airplanes, weather-forecasting,the internet, etc, etc.
Of course you do. Typically YEC's accept EVERY science EXCEPT those that somehow impinge on their religious beliefs.
Wait a minute....do you not believe in DNA science??? You know that science that the government uses sometimes to find out if a criminal is really guilty or not. It's used to send people to execution, or save them from it.
You just pick and choose what to believe, not only in the Bible, but in your real life.
I really don't care if I have Neanderthal DNA in me. So what if I do?

What "DNA science" is it that I don't believe in, according to you?

“Ditat Deus”

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#625297 May 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Yeah, we had a time when Christianity ruled most of the Western world....it was called 'The Dark Ages' Death for blasphemy, heresy, adultery, etc. Do we really want the Church telling us what to think, or watching our bedroom??
Good post....kudos
"Great post"?!?

O_o

Which part? Where he ignorantly claimed that Muslims numbers are 1.8 billion? Or the part where he claimed to know that all Christians want the world the be 100% Christian?

“Ditat Deus”

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#625298 May 21, 2013
Emaam wrote:

Organized religion has caused the death of many children in senseless holy wars, that's pretty bad for them.
Organized (and unorganized) secularism and atheism has caused more deaths.

Pick a side.
Sharkey

Vallejo, CA

#625299 May 21, 2013
YoungAlex98 wrote:
<quoted text> How can you know the motives of Christians? lol I'm a Christian and my goal as well as the other Christians isn't to convert the whole world, its to try to save as many souls as we can. We don't force ppl to convert, we ask them and if they say no then they say no. I don't know what type of Christians you've encountered with (probably Catholics because they convince everyone they're the same as Christians, but they're not they just blame stuff on Christians) but the type of Christian that i am isn't how you describe it. Jews are still Gods people btw (technically everyone is) and we know the whole world won't be Christian lol There's going to be WAY more people that aren't Christian so i really don't see what you were trying to get at...
LMAO!
How the HELL are you going to "save souls" when you then turn around and talk about Catholics like they aren't real Christians?

See the way even you Christians fight with each other? You can't "save souls" that way!

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#625300 May 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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I did click on the links. Also I believe I have used this site for research several years ago. It is typical religious apologetics website.
Typical,,,lol... ok... dude these people are not the back alley wanna a bees. They are legit..

Stephen Caesar is a staff member of the Associates for Biblical Research. He graduated from Harvard with an M.A. in Anthropology and Archaeology. Stephen is an adjunct professor of Spanish at Fisher College in Boston. He also served as an adjunct professor of literature at Newbury College, MA.

Investigating Origins is a regular feature of the ABR Newsletter, which Steve authors on a regular basis. He is currently pursuing his Ph.D. in archaeology and anthropology from Harvard University.

Gordon Franz combines a scholar’s love for God’s Word and his archaeological and geographical knowledge of the Lands of the Bible. As a former instructor at the Institute of Holy Land Studies in Jerusalem, he has conducted numerous field trips throughout Israel and Jordan. More recently he has explored other Lands of the Bible such as Cyprus, Italy, Malta, Egypt, Turkey and Greece. His archaeological experiences includes working on excavations at Jezreel, Lachish, Ramat Rachel, and several excavations in Jerusalem, including Ketef Hinnom where the oldest Biblical texts were discovered on two silver amulets.
Gordon is a graduate of Florida Bible College (Bible) and Christian Heritage College (history). He pursued graduate studies at the Institute of Holy Land Studies in Jerusalem (History of Ancient Israel) and finished his graduate work at Columbia Biblical Seminary (Old Testament). He is a Bible instructor and is an adjunct professor for the Talbot School of Theology’s “Bible Lands” program.
Bryant Wood attended Syracuse University, graduating with a B.S. degree in mechanical engineering.

Wood then worked for the General Electric Company in Schenectady NY. His employment with G.E. was interrupted by a two-year term of service as a lieutenant in the Army Security Agency. During this time he was a member of the U.S. inter-service cross-country team, participating in international competition in Europe, and the All-Army track team. While with G.E., Wood held various positions at the Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory related to the design, fabrication and testing of nuclear reactors, and earned a M.S. degree in mechanical engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy NY.

He earned a M.A. degree in Biblical History from the University of Michigan in 1974, and a Ph.D. degree in Syro-Palestinian archaeology from the University of Toronto in 1985. In 1989–90, Dr. Wood was visiting professor in the Department of Near Eastern Studies at the University of Toronto. In addition, he has served as adjunct professor at Biblical Theological Seminary, Hatfield PA; Evangelical School of Theology, Myerstown PA; Faith Theological Seminary, Los Angeles; Lancaster Bible College, Lancaster PA; and Toronto Baptist Seminary, Toronto.

Wood is a specialist in Canaanite pottery of the Late Bronze Age. He is author of The Sociology of Pottery in Ancient Palestine: The Ceramic Industry and the Diffusion of Ceramic Style in the Bronze and Iron Ages (1990), as well as numerous articles on archaeological subjects published in various academic journals. Dr. Wood received international media attention for his research on ancient Jericho that demonstrated the historicity of the Biblical account of the capture of the city by the Israelites.

Dr. Wood has been awarded grants from the National Endowment for the Humanities and the Endowment for Biblical Research to carry on his archaeological research. He is a member of the Near East Archaeological Society and a Fellow of the Institute for Biblical Research. He is currently Director of Research with ABR and senior editor of Bible and Spade.
Sharkey

Vallejo, CA

#625301 May 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There are not 1.8 billion Muslims.
You're either stupid, lying or misinformed. Which is it?
There ARE 1.8 billion Muslims! YOU are the one that's UNinformed. WAKE UP out of your Christupor!

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#625302 May 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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I did click on the links. Also I believe I have used this site for research several years ago. It is typical religious apologetics website.
Biblical archaeology has a long history of trying to fit information found in the ground into the mold of the Bible. Its only fairly recently that the new archaeologists have recorded what they found and let the interpretation fall wherever it belonged. Much of the work of the early archaeologists working in the Biblical lands under William F. Albright has been discredited. Seems he didnt use the scientific methodology on much, or most, of his work.
The Albrightian consensus was overturned in the second half of the 20th century. Improved archaeological methods, notably Kathleen Kenyon's excavations at Jericho, did not support the conclusions the biblical archaeologists had drawn, with the result that central theories squaring the biblical narrative with archaeological finds, such as Albright's reconstruction of Abraham as an Amorite donkey caravaneer, were rejected by the archaeological community.
The challenge reached its climax with the publication of two important studies: In 1974 Thomas L. Thompson's The Historicity of the Patriarchal Narratives re-examined the record of biblical archaeology in relation to the Patriarchal narratives in Genesis and concluded that "not only has archaeology not proven a single event of the Patriarchal narratives to be historical, it has not shown any of the traditions to be likely." and in 1975 John Van Seters' Abraham in History and Tradition reached a similar conclusion about the usefulness of tradition history: "A vague presupposition about the antiquity of the tradition based upon a consensus approval of such arguments should no longer be used as a warrant for proposing a history of the tradition related to early pre-monarchic times."
At the same time a new generation of archaeologists, notably William G. Dever, criticized Biblical archaeology for failing to take note of the revolution in archaeology known as processualism, which saw the discipline as a scientific one allied to anthropology, rather than as a part of the corpus of the humanities linked to history and theology. Biblical archaeology, Dever said, remained "altogether too narrowly within a theological angle of vision," and should be abandoned and replaced with a regional Syro-Palestinian archaeology operating within a processual framework.
Dever was broadly successful: most archaeologists working in the world of the Bible today do so within a processual or post-processual framework: yet few describe themselves in these terms. The reasons for this attachment to the old nomenclature are complex, but are connected with the link between excavators (especially American ones) and the denominational institutions and benefactors who employ and support them, and with the unwillingness of biblical scholars, both conservative and liberal, to reject the link between the Bible and archaeology.
The result has been a blurring of the distinction between the theologically-based archaeology that interprets the archaeological record as "substantiating in general the theological message of a God who acts in history," and Dever's vision of Syro-Palestinian archaeology as an "independent, secular discipline ... pursued by cultural historians for its own sake."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_archaeo...
Pretty interesting pdf written by Zeev Herzog an archaeologists you should get to know something about. He represents the new archaeology in the Biblical lands
http://ksuweb.kennesaw.edu/~tkeene/ogtIsraelH...
So thats your refute, to the archeaology facts thats been found to support the Exodus??? wow.. go you..

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