Prove there's a god.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#624863 May 19, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
And where did the "code/information" that was in the "first living" cell/gene/DNA, at the begining of time come from that humans give meaning too, to catolog and understand?
If it takes a "mind" to interpret coded information, then by that same logic they must be a "mind" that give that code of information?
Because just like "nature" has no mind, neither does "chance" or a randomly poof that happened millions of years ago..
<quoted text>
The space of the universe is an astral projection of the mind/imagination of God. It is limitless and ever expanding. God is Energy and the forces in nature, electromagnetism, gravitation, and the nuclear force. Daniel 11:38. Energy is omnipotent, omnipresent, and eternal. It cannot be created or destroyed but can only change form. The Spirit is composed of light and heat, both are forms of Energy. Our son (pun intended) is the source of Energy for the universe. Psalm 19:4-5. The Messiah (The Lord) is Gods' wife (Isaiah 54:5-6) and they are one flesh. Genesis 2:24.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#624864 May 19, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
Here is something to ponder on, borrowed this from a friend.
Judge for yourself..
__________
We can explore five possible conclusions;
1) Humans designed DNA
2) Aliens designed DNA
3) DNA occurred randomly and spontaneously
4) There must be some undiscovered law of physics that creates information
5) DNA was Designed by a Superintelligence, i.e. God.
(1) requires time travel or infinite generations of humans.(2) could well be true but only pushes the question back in time.(3) may be a remote possibility, but it’s not a scientific explanation in that it doesn’t refer to a systematic, repeatable process. It’s nothing more than an appeal to luck .(4) could be true but no one can form a testable hypothesis until someone observes a naturally occurring code. So the only systematic explanation that remains is (5) a theological one.
How about #(6)...Nature designed DNA?

See posts number 624855 and 624856 above

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#624865 May 19, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The space of the universe is an astral projection of the mind/imagination of God. It is limitless and ever expanding. God is Energy and the forces in nature, electromagnetism, gravitation, and the nuclear force. Daniel 11:38. Energy is omnipotent, omnipresent, and eternal. It cannot be created or destroyed but can only change form. The Spirit is composed of light and heat, both are forms of Energy. Our son (pun intended) is the source of Energy for the universe. Psalm 19:4-5. The Messiah (The Lord) is Gods' wife (Isaiah 54:5-6) and they are one flesh. Genesis 2:24.
Oh Pleeeaaassse....old time religion along with New Age crapola.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#624866 May 19, 2013
The Lord spoke the material in the universe into existence by the very profound thought, I think, therefore I AM. This was the Big Bang. The pen is mightier than the sword and the Lord ended the cold war 29 years ago by his word. You've heard from the NT, "except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved alive" God has also killed the wicked with words. Isaiah 11:4 "...and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked"
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#624867 May 19, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh Pleeeaaassse....old time religion along with New Age crapola.
"Fools despise wisdom and instruction" and "Fools hate knowledge" There is a very simple explanation for all of it. New Agers are expecting the coming of the Messiah who you will call Antichrist. Unless you're one of the few elect.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#624868 May 19, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
And where did the "code/information" that was in the "first living" cell/gene/DNA, at the begining of time come from that humans give meaning too, to catolog and understand?
If it takes a "mind" to interpret coded information, then by that same logic they must be a "mind" that give that code of information?
Because just like "nature" has no mind, neither does "chance" or a randomly poof that happened millions of years ago..
<quoted text>
You fail at comprehension. Reread what I posted again, you still did not read it, or you did not understand it.

Oh, and time existed long before life on Earth did.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#624869 May 19, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>"Fools despise wisdom and instruction" and "Fools hate knowledge" There is a very simple explanation for all of it. New Agers are expecting the coming of the Messiah who you will call Antichrist. Unless you're one of the few elect.
Why Ms. Blange I LOVE wisdom and knowledge. I spend about 8 hours a day learning. Unlike you however, I learn about reality and the world as it ACTUALLY is.

Sweetie....there is no God!
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#624870 May 20, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Why Ms. Blange I LOVE wisdom and knowledge. I spend about 8 hours a day learning. Unlike you however, I learn about reality and the world as it ACTUALLY is.
Sweetie....there is no God!
When God comes to the earth and works miracles, signs, and wonders, will you change your mind? It won't be too late. You will see the OT come alive and be fulfilled. That's why Christians say the word became flesh, it's a living and powerful word. BTW, I'm not a Christian, that is the purest form of Satan worship and he is the modern day idol of Israel. My God is alive and will live and reign on the earth forever.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#624872 May 20, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>When God comes to the earth and works miracles, signs, and wonders, will you change your mind? It won't be too late. You will see the OT come alive and be fulfilled. That's why Christians say the word became flesh, it's a living and powerful word. BTW, I'm not a Christian, that is the purest form of Satan worship and he is the modern day idol of Israel. My God is alive and will live and reign on the earth forever.
Ironically, nothing in the bible is coming true.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#624873 May 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Ironically, nothing in the bible is coming true.
You believe that KK because you don't personally know the Messiah. Proverbs 9:10 "...and the knowledge of the holy is understanding" There are also witnesses to most of these events that have already been fulfilled. Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me..."

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#624874 May 20, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>You believe that KK because you don't personally know the Messiah. Proverbs 9:10 "...and the knowledge of the holy is understanding" There are also witnesses to most of these events that have already been fulfilled. Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me..."
Funny thing, reality denies your god's "plan." You should have picked a more accurate one.
jew girl

Tel Aviv, Israel

#624875 May 20, 2013
We, the Jews, know surely there is a God..:)

People ask: What is the secret of the immortality of the Jewish people? In Passover we answer this question: it's God, who saves us always.

The fact that the Jews are the ONLY nation who survived more than 3000 years, and the fact that we can live now in Israel like God promised that will happen - just prove there is a God...

I will explain our point of view please..:)

First of all, when we were released from the slavery in Egypt, before 3300 years ago, we were in the mountain Sinai, there God appeared in front of thousands of Jews who saw it. In this position, he gave us our holy book, the Torah, and made with us eternal covenant that cannot be changed.

One of the things he said to us: that our nation will not disappear never, that our people will not be destroyed never.. And a day will come, and we will live in Israel..

God said "Not only one man will want to destroy you"
--> but many
He said our life will not be easy.. He said we will have many enemies always.. But he does it only in order that we will not forget him, that we will continue praying for him to save us..

He said us many times that we mustn't afraid from people who will want to kill us.. Because no matter how much our army will be little, he will be with us and will cause us to win.. he sanctified the Jews, and made them his people..

Indeed, In each and every generation, there are new excuses to destroy the Jewish people, to destroy Israel.. We can see it even nowadays.. Spirituality decrees and Physical decrees.. There are the people who try to destroy us in lies like Pharaoh.. And people who try to do it in beautiful face, like friends.. But they will not succeed... no one of them.. Because God knows all of them and he will save us from their hands.. in every generation, like always..

In every generation rise on us new enemies, Anti-Semitism has not disappeared still. The Anti-Semitism just changed names and reasons.

Entire nations rose and fell. Many of them had a goal: to Kill and destroy the Jewish people..

We suffered terrible decrees and yet we survived:
Pharaoh in Egypt and Amalek in the desert (about 3300 years ago)
Greeks (about 2200 years ago)
Romans (2000 years ago)
Crusades (1000 years ago)
Expulsion from Spain (500 years ago)
The horrible Holocaust
And the enemies of today..

We trust in the promise of God that he keeps his promise to Israel, just as to Avraham..
and according to the Zohar, the promise that God promised to Avraham, our ancestor, is fulfilled also in our generation..
This eternal covenant still exists.. That's what common between us and our ancestors..

And now, see how many people want to kill us, and we are still here ... Look how we survived all the history of such horrible things.. See how we passed all.. There were a lot of nations who didn't survive and were destroyed .. Heroic nations gone and are not exist today, and ONLY the Jewish nation stayed..

we succeeded to survive .. And why? Because God is with us and saves us always .. I think this is the biggest proof...

In addition, God promised us this land, Israel, to be ours to forever..
He said to Avraham, our leader: "to your generation I will give this county from the river of Egypt until the big river of Euphrates"...
He said this promise also to Avraham's son - Yitzhak, and also to his son - Yaakov..

Nowadays we just can see the success of this little country, Israel, to survive, while we are surrounded by so much enemies.. look on our army, look how a small country can survive..

It's just open our eyes and see the proof of building the country. There is tremendous growth and establishing of so modern, advanced and progressive country in so few years with security problems so large and simple to understand that there is something much deeper and larger. Something that we can see in Chazal and many other verses.

In my opinion, it's one of the biggest proofs that there is a God.

Thank you..:)

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#624876 May 20, 2013
jew girl wrote:
We, the Jews, know surely there is a God..:)
People ask: What is the secret of the immortality of the Jewish people? In Passover we answer this question: it's God, who saves us always.
The fact that the Jews are the ONLY nation who survived more than 3000 years, and the fact that we can live now in Israel like God promised that will happen - just prove there is a God...
I will explain our point of view please..:)
First of all, when we were released from the slavery in Egypt, before 3300 years ago,....
Our tribe was never IN Egypt.
jew girl

Tel Aviv, Israel

#624877 May 20, 2013
I even can add, in the Tora there are 22 prophets.. all of them wrote their predictions..
it's predictions that were written thousands of years ago, all of them - fulfilled completely.. Except from 1... it's the Messiah...
things that were predicted from the Torah:
The first world war, the second world war.. even the name "Hitler" appears in the Tora.. Because of that, before the holocuast, many rabbis ran away... they knew it should happen..
more predictions: the destruction of the city of Bavel, the eternity of the people of Israel, The destruction of the Second Temple + the domination of the non-Jews on Israel, the big exile from Israel that lasted 2000 years, The Western Wall that will not destroyed never, prophecies about more exiles, Who will rule the country while we are in exile, the desolation of the land during the exile. prediction on the redemption of the land, the Saturday - eternal alliance, and the returning of the Jews to Israel..
all these things were predicted.. and so many other things..
And also the big war in the future:
The name Obama, even he appears in the Tora.. Known as "the president who will attack Israel" (according to our prophet Yehezkel)
all of us know it's obama of USA.. many proofs.. we have pictures of Pharaoh, the king of Egypt who tortured us, and both of them look exactly the same! We know he is from the generations of Pharaoh.. There is a religious reason why he like us so much.. But this comment is enough long..:)
in addition, there are many people who saw angels of God.
one lawyer, Eran Ben Ezra, saw an angel and took a video in his camera and put it in the internet.. Only because of this, he became religious and did a huge book of thousands of pages which is called "the book of proofs"..- proofs there is a God and that our Torah is true.. I read this book.. There are so many proofs..!!!
Also other religious people claim they see angels.. And even souls of people (one woman took a picture of it and sent it to Eran Ben Ezra... I saw this picture myself)
so God is exist.. no doubt on it :)
jew girl

Tel Aviv, Israel

#624878 May 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Our tribe was never IN Egypt.
it was.. because of it we celebrate passover...
we were there 300 years and then we came to Israel..

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#624879 May 20, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely not, it means you see a code where only your confusion exists. As to how it started, we are pretty sure RNA from microbes formed colony's and this gave rise to the first dna, from stromatolites about 3.5 billion years ago. When did life originate?
Evidence suggests that life first evolved around 3.5 billion years ago. This evidence takes the form of microfossils (fossils too small to be seen without the aid of a microscope) and ancient rock structures in South Africa and Australia called stromatolites. Stromatolites are produced by microbes (mainly photosynthesizing cyanobacteria) that form thin microbial films which trap mud; over time, layers of these mud/microbe mats can build up into a layered rock structure — the stromatolite.
Stromatolites are still produced by microbes today. These modern stromatolites are remarkably similar to the ancient stromatolites which provide evidence of some of the earliest life on Earth. Modern and ancient stromatolites have similar shapes and, when seen in cross section, both show the same fine layering produced by thin bacterial sheets. Microfossils of ancient cyanobacteria can sometimes be identified within these layers.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/...
data were immediately challenged. There were two problems, First, many paleonotologists questioned whether the "fossils" were really fossils. They suggested that the structures could easily be inorganic in nature and not remnants of living organisms. Secondly, the presence of cyanobacteria—among the most complex bacteria—is inconsistent with molecular data. Even though the early tree of life is complicated, the available evidence indicates that cyanobacteria arose late in the evolution of bacterial taxa. It's very unlikely that the earliest forms of life could be cyanobacteria, or even photosynthetic bacteria.

The publicity associated with the presumed discovery of the earliest forms of life was too much to resist. In spite of the criticisms, the "fact" of these "fossils" made it into the textbooks within months of the discovery. The original figures have often been purged from more recent editions but the widespread claim that life originated 3.5 billion years ago persists.

Schopf defended and promoted his work in a trade book—The Cradle of Life— published in 1999. In that book he appeared to address most of his critics. He insisted that his "fossils" met all the rigorous tests of science.



The "fossils" look much more like inorganic inclusions that just happen to resemble strings of bacteria, according to Brasier. A debate between Martin Brasier and Bill Schopf took place in April 2002 and it was widely perceived to have resulted in victory for Brasier. The "fossils" aren't fossils.

There's another, potentially more serious, problem with using isotope ratios as evidence of early life. Gérard et al.(2009) have recently documented the presence of modern bacteria in drillcore samples of rocks that are 2.7 billion years old. They detected trace amounts of ribosomal RNA that were sufficient to identify more that ten diverse species of bacteria living in these subsurface formations.

If modern bacteria can invade and colonize ancient rocks then it's highly likely that more ancient bacteria can also live in ancient rocks. Over the course of millions of years, these colonizers can leave traces of organic molecules. But those molecules do not show that life existed in those places at the time when the rocks were formed. In other words, just because you have "light" organic molecules in rocks that are billions of years old does not mean that the cells that created those molecules lived billions of years ago.

sandwalk.blogspot.com/2009/09/did-life-arise-...

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#624880 May 20, 2013
jew girl wrote:
We, the Jews, know surely there is a God..:)
People ask: What is the secret of the immortality of the Jewish people? In Passover we answer this question: it's God, who saves us always.
The fact that the Jews are the ONLY nation who survived more than 3000 years, and the fact that we can live now in Israel like God promised that will happen - just prove there is a God...
I will explain our point of view please..:)
First of all, when we were released from the slavery in Egypt, before 3300 years, there God appeared in front of thousands of Jews who saw it. In this position, he gave us our holy book, the Torah, and made with us eternal covenant that cannot be changed.
One of the things he said to us: that our nation will not disappear never, that our people will not be destroyed never.. And a day will come, and we will live in Israel..
God said "Not only one man will want to destroy you"
--> but many
He said our life will not be easy.. He said we will have many enemies always.. But he does it only in order that we will not forget him, that we will continue praying for him to save us..
He said us many times that we mustn't afraid from people who will want to kill us.. Because no matter how much our army will be little, he will be with us and will cause us to win.. he sanctified the Jews, and made them his people..
Indeed, In each and every generation, there are new excuses to destroy the Jewish people, to destroy Israel.. We can see it even nowadays.. Spirituality decrees and Physical decrees.. There are the people who try to destroy us in lies like Pharaoh.. And people who try to do it in beautiful face, like friends.. But they will not succeed... no one of them.. Because God knows all of them and he will save us from their hands.. in every generation, like always..
In every generation rise on us new enemies, Anti-Semitism has not disappeared still. The Anti-Semitism just changed names and reasons.
Entire nations rose and fell. Many of them had a goal: to Kill and destroy the Jewish people..
We suffered terrible decrees and yet we survived:
Pharaoh in Egypt and Amalek in the desert (about 3300 years ago)
Greeks (about 2200 years ago)
Romans (2000 years ago)
Crusades (1000 years ago)
Expulsion from Spain (500 years ago)
The horrible Holocaust
And the enemies of today..
We trust in the promise of God that he keeps his promise to Israel, just as to Avraham..
and according to the Zohar, the promise that God promised to Avraham, our ancestor, is fulfilled also in our generation..
This eternal covenant still exists.. That's what common between us and our ancestors..
And now, see how many people want to kill us, and we are still here ... Look how we survived all the history of such horrible things.. See how we passed all.. There were a lot of nations who didn't survive and were destroyed .. Heroic nations gone and are not exist today, and ONLY the Jewish nation stayed..
we succeeded to survive .. And why? Because God is with us and saves us always .. I think this is the biggest proof...
In addition, God promised us this land, Israel, to be ours to forever..
He said to Avraham, our leader: "to your generation I will give this county from the river of Egypt until the big river of Euphrates"...
He said this promise also to Avraham's son - Yitzhak, and also to his son - Yaakov..
Nowadays we just can see the success of this little country, Israel, to survive, while we are surrounded by so much enemies.. look on our army, look how a small country can survive..
It's just open our eyes and see the proof of building the country. There is tremendous growth and establishing of so modern, advanced and progressive country in so few years with security problems so large and simple to understand that there is something much deeper and larger. Something that we can see in Chazal and many other verses.
In my opinion, it's one of the biggest proofs that there is a God.
Thank you..:)
Well said!!

Great post.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#624881 May 20, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, of course.
It needs to be interpreted and marketed by, well, other hoomanz.
Silly me.
Now let's see, that's a minimum of what, four iterations of unreliability?
Ya, silly you.

It don't need to be interpreted, it needs to be studied.
jew girl

Tel Aviv, Israel

#624882 May 20, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said!!
Great post.
thank you so much!:))

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#624883 May 20, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Isn't "feeling" like a kitteh evidence of being one?
You are what you eat?

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