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#622790 May 10, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Dude. I asked you why we don't have a sense of being while sleeping, and you said because we don't "remember it."
Ok then show me, direct me to the posts. If you asked me why we don't have a sense of being while sleeping I would have told you that I believe we *do* have a sense of being while sleeping. You're implying I believe we don't maintain a sense of being. All the rest was my way of justifying my belief, which btw has nothing to do with how unconscious molecules could ever become conscious; this is a separate argument.
I asked why, if memory is integral to our sense of being, a man with no memory can have a sense of being.All I am doing is pointing out the flaw in your initial statement - that we don't have a sense of being while sleeping because we don't remember it. Your "excuse" for our lack of "being" while sleeping was to say that we would have one if only we could remember it. The whole point of me bringing up a damaged hippocampus was to point this out.
I'm about ready to drop this, you flake. This has to be the thousandth time I explained that memory IMO is not integral to our sense of being. Why do you keep implying that I think it is? I mean, I know why, but I still have to ask.

It's not that we *would* have one "if only we'd remember it", it's that we *have* one, just that because it can only be sensed in the present and because it is unchanging it is also therefore incapable of forming a distinct memory. And without memory of something then it's like that something never happened, now isn't it? It's not that hard, but you won't stop misrepresenting me, it's all you have.
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#622792 May 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Well that's my point, isn't it?
If somebody did something noteworthy in history, what the f*ck difference does it make what that person's sexual preference is?
How come junior high or high school history classes don't go into detail about how straight George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King were?
Answer: It's not important.
And it shouldn't be taught to kids.
If somebody does something noteworthy in history, what the f*ck difference does it make what that person's gender is? Or what their race is? Or what their religion is? Or what their nationality is? Or what their marital status is? Or whether or not they have/had children?

Well, we all learn pretty much all of the above despite the above really not being "important" right?

Speaking of that, you have posted here MANY times (even though quite erroneously) that the founding fathers were all Christian.

Why does THAT matter?

Answer: It doesn't because it's not important.

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

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#622793 May 10, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Not analogous. How do you define "remembering our sense of being?" I may not remember exactly what it was like a minute ago, but I certainly have memories attached to it, can feel a sense of time, and can assume that it felt like it currently does now. This doesn't happen while I'm asleep.
You said it yourself but you're not putting it together the rest of the way. You're right there.

You have memories attached to it. That's it. You're not remembering your 'sense of being' you're remembering the events that are attached to it. It's not enough to allow me to claim this as scientific evidence that our sense of being persists while sleeping but it is enough for me to believe what I believe. And I'm saying neither do you have scientific evidence that the sense of being is turned off; it's simply your belief.

Just as there is no scientific evidence that consciousness can evolve from unconscious molecules. When you have clue #1 as to *how* molecules create this consciousness, then you can claim scientific evidence. Right now all you have is 'association' without any clue as to the nature of that association. Molecules could just be "tools" used by consciousness.

OCB

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#622794 May 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well that's my point, isn't it?
If somebody did something noteworthy in history, what the f*ck difference does it make what that person's sexual preference is?
How come junior high or high school history classes don't go into detail about how straight George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King were?
Answer: It's not important.
And it shouldn't be taught to kids.
BTW, just how would one go "into detail" about "how" straight (OR gay) someone is?

What is so wrong about teaching kids about the contributions of minority groups and all the more when those minority groups are so often maligned as in the case of blacks, for instance?

And of course, in the case of homosexuals as well....

You have a problem with "good press" being put out there in order to help offset the "bad press"?

Why just on this thread, many have posted that homosexuals are evil, are no good, are all sick, are a blight on society.....

So what is wrong with bringing to the forefront the many great accomplishments by many homosexuals throughout history?

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#622795 May 10, 2013
It's not like I am trying to scientifically prove God here. All you ("tim") have to do here is admit that neither of us has scientific evidence of whether our sense of being persists while sleeping, and admit that neither of us has scientific evidence of the mechanism of consciousness and that all we have is 'association' without knowing the nature of that association........
....and we'd be cool.

OK? Cool.
:)

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#622796 May 10, 2013
"tim", if you're honestly just misunderstanding me then I apologize for calling you a flake, but seriously, if after this last exchange, you still can't put it together then Cmon, I mean, really.

Here's some advice. If you aren't sure about what I said then ask, don't act like you know.

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

#622797 May 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Of course a word can be redefined. What I mean is that you Topix atheists don't get to change the definition of the word "atheist" to suit your individual tastes.
And you don't get to change the definition to suit yours.

I am atheist.

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

#622798 May 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>every years, huh?

Is that a long time?
Desperate much?

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#622799 May 10, 2013
Pokay wrote:
It's not like I am trying to scientifically prove God here. All you ("tim") have to do here is admit that neither of us has scientific evidence of whether our sense of being persists while sleeping, and admit that neither of us has scientific evidence of the mechanism of consciousness and that all we have is 'association' without knowing the nature of that association........
....and we'd be cool.
OK? Cool.
:)
"Tim" is a (she) so, incase u havent heard just putting that out there.

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#622800 May 10, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I stole it.
I'd give attribution, but I cannot remember.
No mater, it was funny as hell!

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#622801 May 10, 2013
OCB wrote:
No......what those who don't believe in your god think is that there is no proof or evidence of any god.
Yes, and they all think the same.

Real "free" thinkin huh?

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#622802 May 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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They're just the next in line for recognition I guess dude.
First it was women with women's equal rights and history, then it was blacks, with equal right's and black history.
Now it's them calling for equal rights 's history and gay day.
Look at it this way, you may get another vacation day.
What will you do on gay day?
Stay inside so you don't look suspicious.LOL
WTF? Are you serious? A gay day?

How far can we sink.....

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#622803 May 10, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>No, I didn't. First of all, the first part of my post was fairly dripping with sarcasm with the point being that no WAY is every single Christian honest.
I did NOT say NO Christians are honest. Had I said that, that would have been stereotyping, but as I did NOT say that, you are WRONG- yet AGAIN.
Yes you did, hypocrite.

"<quoted text>Right- and we ALL know that ALL Christians are HONEST......yep- every single one of you are as honest as the day is long.....might be so if the length of a day was less than a nanosecond."

Then...

"Have fun joining RR's "wonderful" world of stereotyping...."

Then chalk it off as sarcasm.

Not.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#622804 May 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Hey, hypocrite.
You just stereotyped Christians.
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It's amazing just how stupid some people are with self awareness!!

In one post they condemn but at the same time are guilty of the very act themself in te same post!..

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#622805 May 10, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>If somebody does something noteworthy in history, what the f*ck difference does it make what that person's gender is? Or what their race is? Or what their religion is? Or what their nationality is? Or what their marital status is? Or whether or not they have/had children?
Well, we all learn pretty much all of the above despite the above really not being "important" right?
Speaking of that, you have posted here MANY times (even though quite erroneously) that the founding fathers were all Christian.
Why does THAT matter?
Answer: It doesn't because it's not important.
You missed the point.

Again.

Shocking!

Why does it matter what a person's sexual preference is in a child's school history class?

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#622806 May 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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And you don't get to change the definition to suit yours.
I am atheist.
Meaning that you don't believe in the existence of any god or gods.

And that's it.

If you have a feeling that their might be a god or gods or some kind of supreme being, you are not an atheist.

It's pretty damn simple.

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#622808 May 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Desperate much?
Not sure why ya havent responded,thought u may have missed it but here it is again..
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Aerobatty wrote:
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But the medical fields would collapse if evolution weren't true.

P23 writes;
Im not sure if i follow you, but what does "evolution of man from one ancestor" have to do with medicine, if thats what ur implying? And why does it have to be true??? I get the concept and agree, of Evolving diseases, and new strings of flu etc etc appearing, but again why are you saying it would collapse if evolution weren't true?

You wrote;
Since you approve of medical science in general, ask any doctor if they "believe" in evolution.
Let me know if you find one that doesn't.

P23 wrote;
Ill ask around... but first you will need to clarify what you mean by Evolution, in general or just the concept of diseases evolving..

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#622809 May 10, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's amazing just how stupid some people are with self awareness!!
In one post they condemn but at the same time are guilty of the very act themself in te same post!..
Yup. How many damn times do we have to hear "There isn't any god!", as if its a fact?

Then we say "Yes there is!" and we get called ignorant for believing in a myth...

WTF?

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#622810 May 10, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>If somebody does something noteworthy in history, what the f*ck difference does it make what that person's gender is? Or what their race is? Or what their religion is? Or what their nationality is? Or what their marital status is? Or whether or not they have/had children?
Well, we all learn pretty much all of the above despite the above really not being "important" right?
Speaking of that, you have posted here MANY times (even though quite erroneously) that the founding fathers were all Christian.
Why does THAT matter?
Answer: It doesn't because it's not important.
I'm sure you went to junior high and highs school, yes?

Remember learning about the people in history? Washington, Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Hitler, Reagan, King George, Liberace, etc, etc?

Did you ever find out (in school) what their sexual preferences were?

No?

Imagine that.

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