Prove there's a god.
Bartholomew Oglethorpe

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#622652 May 9, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Any scientific data...if an expert scientist uses the scientific method for any research...it doesn't matter what their personal beliefs are...they are still scientists.
Right. But you need to look up the word presuppositional. And, point to the scientific evidence for supernatural entities. When you do, go take the JREF Million Dollar Challenge. I'll wait.

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#622653 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No dude, the reverse *example* is.
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An I out there campaigning to stop a gay marriage? No.
Am I out there trying to teach your kids that God is good and atheists are evil and stupid? No.
Am I out there plastering banners on buses saying "There probably is a God"? No.
Am I out there trying to remove your atheist symbols from graveyards? No.
Am I out there telling your daughter she cannot have an abortion? No.
What the F_CK are you talking about?!??!
I forgot. You christians are sooo persecuted. Sorry for opening that wound back up.

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#622654 May 9, 2013
Bartholomew Oglethorpe wrote:
<quoted text>Those two things are not analogous. You are guilty of an equivocation fallacy. Studies have shown that the more virulent the anti-homosexual, the more likely the individual is repressing strong homosexual feelings. No such studies exist for beliefs. Sexual desires and beliefs are not analogous. Nice try, though.
Oh.

Because Bart says so?

HA HA !!!

It don't work that way, dude.

Just because a person talks about homosexuality does not imply that they're homosexual - no more than a person talking about anti-theism makes them a theist.

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#622655 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, but some of your "brothers in anti Christ" are trying to remove crosses and force homosexuality down my kid's throats.
Is that any better?
No one is "forcing" homosexuality down your kid's throats. That's like saying that when we gave black people equal rights back in the day, we were "forcing blackness" down the throats of all non blacks.

The cross thing is up for courts to decide. If it violates the law, it should go. If it doesn't, I don't care.

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#622656 May 9, 2013
Bartholomew Oglethorpe wrote:
<quoted text>Once again, beliefs and desires are not analogous. You are smart enough to know this but duplicitous enough to pretend not to.
Sure they are, it's called folk philosophy.

Just because Bart says something is true does not mean it is...

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#622657 May 9, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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That's your opinion! Prove they conduct their science with a conclusion at the forefront. Unless they say they did...you don't get to decide that.
On Muslims, yes, I would value their opinion. why do think I read through all this foolishness. Outside of the shallow-minded posters...I've learned a great deal. I'm very objective and welcome information from people who believe differently than I do. Only idiots refuse to hear information that doesn't support their own opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C reation_science

The whole point of creation science is to prove the bible is correct and that god made everything. This means they start with a conclusion.

This isn't about just conversing with people who believe differently than you. My question was, specifically, would you value the research of a muslim on the specific question of jesus's divinity. His conclusion is set in stone from the beginning, so I have no clue why you would value his "research."

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#622658 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I did not say it possibly can't, I have no way of knowing that, I am only pointing out the flaw in *your* logic. You suggested that we don't remember our sense of being while asleep simply because we can't record it, and I showed you that a sense of being can persist without a working hippocampus. That's it. So if our sense of being does seem to disappear while we sleep, and we clearly do have the ability to form memories (in the form of dreams), why should our sense of being only appear in short, garbled spurts throughout the night? A man without a hippocampus can self report on his sense of being, but ours just goes away for 8 hrs a night? Shouldn't we pop into our dreams fully lucid?
What does an inert hippocampus have to do with the possibility that the sense of being can always exist? If molecules are aware of themselves then why would they turn off? How can they turn it off? That's why I'm saying it is only our memory (recording device) that gets turned off.

You are assuming that our sense of being is part of our sensory faculties. Like, how can you assume that our sense of being only appears in spurts? You would have to know that our sense of being is no longer present when we 'sleep without dreaming', and you admitted you can't know that.

A dream is an 'event'. Therefore a memory of it is formed. The sense of being may not be an 'event' and therefore does not create a memory and therefore we may have it while we sleep without dreaming. Your hippocampus BS doesn't make any sense.

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#622659 May 9, 2013
Bartholomew Oglethorpe wrote:
<quoted text>1. Of course you didn't. That really wasn't the point, though, was it?
2. Evolution has nothing to do with belief. When a word gets coined and is put into use, it begins to appear in dictionaries. Dictionaries only point to usage not veracity. The attempt of Allah Atheists (which all Christians are) to belittle science with such dismissive terms and to pretend that science is based on belief just makes Allah Atheists appear foolish.
3. Bulimics should read your posts. It would save the finger down the throat time.
1. I understood the non-point he was making. I decided to keep it a non-point.

2. Of course evolution takes a bit of belief, to believe something is to accept is as true and is a firmly held opinion. Do you not accept evolution as true? What about ToE?

3. Why do you mock diseased people? I wonder if a freethinker buddy of yours will help you to freethink better.(doubt it)

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#622660 May 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Funny, you said that "homosexuals are forcing ..." you to "accept" them, that's nothing but a catch phrase from many hate speeches, and ignores all the facts and logic. Thus, if it's not hate, you are really stupid.
I do not hate anyone, including homosexuals.

I don't like what's happening in America with the whole "gay movement" thing, but I do nothing to suppress it.

Again, I hate no one.

Are you sure you're not projecting?

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#622661 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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This is what I don't understand about you freethinkers, you freethought your way to:
"Take a quick stroll through a lunatic asylum.
Every single one of 'em is just as convinced as you are."
...and when asked to provide evidence for your assertion, you call me stupid.
O_o
How is it that you've come to know what "Every single one of 'em" is convinced of?
Why is it that when a theist makes a claim - EVIDENCE IS NEEDED!
But when you freethinking atheists make a claim, it's just supposed to be accepted as fact?
So either you're making shit up and know it.
OR
You know what you're talking about and can provide informed evidence.
Which is it?
It is conceivable that, if we agreed on a set of conditions, it could be proven to you that people with mental illness believe just as strongly as you do. This is the point you seem to always miss - leading you to say absurdly stupid things like "prove you have hands." There is no set of circumstances that anyone could imagine, currently, in which god might be proven to exist. That is the difference.

Anyways, what would you take as proof that those in lunatic asylum believe just as strongly as you do? Self reports? The fact that they refuse to believe they are delusional even in the face of incarceration? Their behavior? Their need for medication? The fact that mental illness exists in the first place? The fact that lives are ruined by delusional thinking? Etc. Etc. Etc. To say that there is no proof that "lunatics" believe strongly in something is to ignore reality.

Btw, I never said "every single one of them" believes as strongly as you do. But I can certainly make the claim that some of them do.

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#622662 May 9, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>I really think you're 'Hiding', not that it matters much. You act like 'Hiding', and you wrote, "OK, cool" in one of your recent responses, which I only remember seeing in a 'Hiding' post.'Hiding' has used that exact line a few times before.
That's ok, we don't know what an electron is either; we know a little about how it behaves, and that electrons are assumed to all behave equally under the same conditions, just like you guys.
What are you doing on topix? Go sign up for detective work, colombo, your community needs you! We both said "ok, cool" - a truly stunning observation. A lesser mind may have missed the connection.

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#622663 May 9, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>There you go misrepresenting me again. Whatever. So, I suppose it's ok to just skip the part where 'molecules became aware of themselves all of a sudden' and just assume that consciousness is caused by molecules?
What causes a molecule? Some particles? What causes particles? Some energy? What causes energy? What *is* energy? I'll tell ya. It's *something* that is a property of motion. What is 'motion'? That's real specific, huh? Yea we can tell a lot from that, huh?
Yea, unconscious molecules can become aware of themselves. You're a crackpot.
Notice I said "maybe." I don't know if you are intentionally vague or intentionally absurd.

And no, I never said we should "skip that part." I only said that it is unreasonable to demand that I show how consciousness can come from unconsciousness to even suggest that the brain makes thought. As of now, in the absence of any sort evidence for "quantum woo," eternal consciousness, or an afterlife, the only option we have is that consciousness came from unconsciousness.

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#622664 May 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Your words prior to this say otherwise.
As usual you remain nonspecific and enigmatic.

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#622665 May 9, 2013
Bartholomew Oglethorpe wrote:
<quoted text>Two nurturing parents is superior to suicide by centurion and global genocide.
Um... Ok.

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#622666 May 9, 2013
Bartholomew Oglethorpe wrote:
<quoted text>Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's. You Allah Athiests are so insecure you had to hijack the cash against the rules of your immoral guidebook. Weird.
I'm not an atheist.

An atheist denies the existence of gods. AANY AND ALL gods.

I believe in one, negating the possibility of me being an atheist.
Bartholomew Oglethorpe

Fort Worth, TX

#622667 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh.
Because Bart says so?
HA HA !!!
It don't work that way, dude.
Just because a person talks about homosexuality does not imply that they're homosexual - no more than a person talking about anti-theism makes them a theist.
That's not what I wrote. You are smart enough to know that but dishonest enough to pretend you don't.

Oh, and is not me 'saying' it. Studies, numbnutz. You are so inherently dishonest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sun...

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#622668 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I forgot. You christians are sooo persecuted. Sorry for opening that wound back up.
Nice dodge, way to go. I love it how you condemn me and other Christians for things we don't do and then when you're called out on it you run and hide.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#622669 May 9, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>I respect the fact that you respect science, and i myself have respect for science,like i have said many times they have done many great things to help in the medical fields, Dr, in sickness and disabilties etc etc...

Now thats about as far as i will go, cause i cant bring myself to abandon reality after that point, which would to believe in evolution.
But the medical fields would collapse if evolution weren't true.

Since you approve of medical science in general, ask any doctor if they "believe" in evolution.

Let me know if you find one that doesn't.

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#622670 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No one is "forcing" homosexuality down your kid's throats. That's like saying that when we gave black people equal rights back in the day, we were "forcing blackness" down the throats of all non blacks.
The cross thing is up for courts to decide. If it violates the law, it should go. If it doesn't, I don't care.
You're not with the times, man. THIS is an example of forcing it to my kids:

"Gay History Now Required, by Law, to Be Taught in California Social-Studies Textbooks"

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/07/ga...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#622671 May 9, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>It's a "personal experience fact" and in order for ANYBODY to know God, thats what has to be done "in this life"...

Dont hate the messanger, just the message..

Thought you may like this, dont know if its valid havent really checked into it but anyway. a friend of mine sent it to me on FB, He lives on the Amazon river were i do missionary work, and trust me they have some wierd looking species.

This is what was attached to the photo, ya have to translate it ur self.. This is the only link i found with the same pic.

http://www.google.com/imgres...
Peixe mutante encontrado no dia 31 de março no rio Preto - entre os municípios de Rio Negrinho e Mafra-SC deixou perplexos pescadores. Segundo o pescador e professor Josef W., essa mutação deve-se aos agrotóxicos. O peixe foi enviado para exame ictiopatológico em São Paulo. Fonte: Jornal A Opinião, 12 de abril 2013
Looks fake to me.

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