Prove there's a god.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#622618 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Koder would tell you that if can't provide scientific evidence for your assertion, it remains a myth.
Go.
I know you can't.
I don't know if you are stupid, or if you do this on purpose.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#622619 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm gonna go back and find the several times where I said that people of any religion can do science.
You're right, if they use the scientific method, their religion should not inform their science. Which is why apologists do not use the scientific method. Again, the scientific method does not start with a conclusion, which is what creation "scientists" do. They start with the premise the god made everything, and they look for evidence to support it. That's backwards.
No, I don't have any prejudice against christians doing science. I have a "prejudice" against christians doing quackery and trying to pass it off as science, in the same way that I have a "prejudice" against all dishonest persons (whether they are willfully dishonest or not is up for debate. I'm sure many apologists actually believe their bunk).
Yes...I'd like to see where you said that...I truly don't recall that at all.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#622620 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What was that singe celled animal?
How was it studied?
What is it called?
When did it emerge?
Most importantly - HOW did it become a life?
<quoted text>
There was only one question about abiogenesis, not questionS...
Therefore, jesus.
Bartholomew Oglethorpe

United States

#622621 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah.... Ok.
So your responses about God not being real is just you masking your religious tendencies, right?
Those two things are not analogous. You are guilty of an equivocation fallacy. Studies have shown that the more virulent the anti-homosexual, the more likely the individual is repressing strong homosexual feelings. No such studies exist for beliefs. Sexual desires and beliefs are not analogous. Nice try, though.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#622622 May 9, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, 24-7. You sick twits can't wait to force your immoral stories on children. Genocide! Yes!
http://www.christianbook.com/bible-pop-up-adv...
So you think God is a piece of cardboard popping out of a book?

Dude....

Ok here, lets teach little baby kids about mom & mom. Because you think it's healthy and natural...

http://www.amazon.com/Mom-Mum-are-Getting-Mar...

"This is a wonderful book that teaches young kids the alphabet while incorporating gay and lesbian tendencies."

WTF?
Bartholomew Oglethorpe

United States

#622623 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah... Ok.
So all your responses about God not being real is just Godophobia and therefore proves irrational fear borne of ignorance.
Neato.
Once again, beliefs and desires are not analogous. You are smart enough to know this but duplicitous enough to pretend not to.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#622624 May 9, 2013
Bartholomew Oglethorpe wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for proving that presuppositional apologetics are not science.
I didn't prove anything....

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#622626 May 9, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
If a scientist uses the scientific method and has data to substantiate it, it doesn't matter what they believe. science is science and they are still a scientist. Who are you to say their faith informed their science? You won't even be objective and read the data...no...you immediately assume it's biased. what that tells me is one of two things...you're either prejudice or shallow. maybe both... Pick one.
Oh my goodness. For the fiftieth time, yes, I agree, their faith does not matter *until they allow it to matter.* Yes, if they follow the scientific method, their faith is not important. That's the point - apologists do not follow the scientific method. They start with a conclusion first. That's not how it's done. If their conclusion is "goddidit" and they search for evidence to support this claim while ignoring contradictory evidence, their faith informed their science, and they are not scientists.

Again, would you value the "research" of a devout muslim regarding the divinity of jesus? Would it mean anything to you, no matter how well he "followed" the scientific method? His research doesn't matter if it is in service of a foregone conclusion. Same with "creation scientists."

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#622627 May 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:

So, you hold onto religion as an excuse to hate your fellow humans and.....{{{SCREEEEEECH!!!!}}}
I hate no one.

Try again.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#622628 May 9, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes...I'd like to see where you said that...I truly don't recall that at all.
Above. There's more, if necessary.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#622629 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok. Whatever you say.
No, we don't do it "because we aren't searching for god." Does our money say "in dracula we trust" or "in god we trust?"
In God We (Christians) Trust.

Don't like it? Don't use cash.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#622630 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, it is weird how you think your personal revelation is better than the personal revelation of a man who believes in poseidon.
What man is that? Lemme talk to him.
Bartholomew Oglethorpe

United States

#622631 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
1. I didn't know blacks in Compton were seeking acceptance....
2. An evolutionist is a person who believes in the theories of evolution and natural selection.
www.thefreedictionary.com/evolutionist
3. Why? To see my God given beauty?
1. Of course you didn't. That really wasn't the point, though, was it?

2. Evolution has nothing to do with belief. When a word gets coined and is put into use, it begins to appear in dictionaries. Dictionaries only point to usage not veracity. The attempt of Allah Atheists (which all Christians are) to belittle science with such dismissive terms and to pretend that science is based on belief just makes Allah Atheists appear foolish.

3. Bulimics should read your posts. It would save the finger down the throat time.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#622632 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>"Apologists have a need to believe in god, and this need informs their opinion on the science. If you can find me work by actual scientists, those working without a preconceived agenda, then that's another story. Their religious belief is irrelevant until they allow it to interfere with their ability to be objective."
Snipped from one of my posts. I even left in the context so you can't accuse me of quote mining. Do I need to find more posts where I echo a similar sentiment (that religious belief is not important until it interferes with objectivity) or do you accept that I clearly have no issue with religious scientists, only with "scientists" who allow their religion to inform their science?
It would be impossible for you or I to know if they had a preconceived agenda. I know many Christians who believe God used evolution as a means of creation. I'm not entirely against the idea myself. AGAIN...scientific data presented as the result of using the scientific method is science...regardless of what the scientist believes and regardless of whether it falls in line with what you or I believe. It may not be factual and may later be disproven..but that doesn't mean the researcher isn't a scientist. You can't make that determination...only the scientist can.
Bartholomew Oglethorpe

United States

#622633 May 9, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
If a scientist uses the scientific method and has data to substantiate it, it doesn't matter what they believe. science is science and they are still a scientist. Who are you to say their faith informed their science? You won't even be objective and read the data...no...you immediately assume it's biased. what that tells me is one of two things...you're either prejudice or shallow. maybe both... Pick one.
The point is flying by your head. Try to catch it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#622634 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>He is a stand up comedian.
The "reverse" of homosexuality is god?
No dude, the reverse *example* is.
Substituting the word god in there made it meaningless. I would have no problem talking to my kids about religion. I'm not out there campaigning to prevent you from getting married. Not saying you do that, but some of your "brothers in christ" do.
An I out there campaigning to stop a gay marriage? No.

Am I out there trying to teach your kids that God is good and atheists are evil and stupid? No.

Am I out there plastering banners on buses saying "There probably is a God"? No.

Am I out there trying to remove your atheist symbols from graveyards? No.

Am I out there telling your daughter she cannot have an abortion? No.

What the F_CK are you talking about?!??!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#622635 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
I'm not out there campaigning to prevent you from getting married. Not saying you do that, but some of your "brothers in christ" do.
No, but some of your "brothers in anti Christ" are trying to remove crosses and force homosexuality down my kid's throats.

Is that any better?
Bartholomew Oglethorpe

United States

#622636 May 9, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
If a scientist uses the scientific method and has data to substantiate it, it doesn't matter what they believe. science is science and they are still a scientist. Who are you to say their faith informed their science? You won't even be objective and read the data...no...you immediately assume it's biased. what that tells me is one of two things...you're either prejudice or shallow. maybe both... Pick one.
Where is the scientific data for supernatural entities. I'll wait.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#622637 May 9, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
First, you didn't ever say regardless of their religion..till now.
Next, if they're using scientific methods, their religion can't inform their science.
Last, it's beyond clear...in reading your posts, that you have a serious prejudice against Christians doing science, otherwise, you'd be more open-minded to read the data and and at least attempt to be objective.
Quick question: What data and for what?

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#622638 May 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You must have missed it, we are all hiding, every one of us. Your buddy "Truths" is just too clever. You must give us credit, operating about a thousand dummy accounts is pretty impressive. We made up our back stories with ad libs.
I really think you're 'Hiding', not that it matters much. You act like 'Hiding', and you wrote, "OK, cool" in one of your recent responses, which I only remember seeing in a 'Hiding' post.'Hiding' has used that exact line a few times before.

That's ok, we don't know what an electron is either; we know a little about how it behaves, and that electrons are assumed to all behave equally under the same conditions, just like you guys.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Top Stories Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
The Christian Atheist debate (Jun '15) 3 min Ura Fagiola 69,974
News Roman Catholic church only true church, says Va... (Jul '07) 23 min kent 658,350
Moms having sex with their sons (Aug '12) 40 min Jersey97boy 86
Bush is a hero (Sep '07) 40 min bad bob 183,437
Whose fault was it that O.J. Simpson beat murde... (Mar '16) 42 min Garden Girl 22
Should Black People Forgive White People for Sl... (Jun '07) 49 min gundee123 4,917
Poll Was 9/11 a conspiracy?? (Oct '07) 1 hr Brian_G 282,832
More from around the web