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#622189 May 7, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Why does evolution have to be opposed to your belief in god? If I were religious, I would go with the old "god drove evolution" argument. It's more reasonable in light of the evidence. Evolution either happened or was made to look like it happened.
I agree.
100% I agree!!!

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#622191 May 7, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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You say she is a nice person, but an ignorant one when she doesnt adhere to your demands/likes on how to debate her position or refute yours... funny.......
LOL,, in other words AM.
What you truly mean is this "" If you see things like i see them, and conform to my way of thinking and do as >i< say"", then you will SHINE like a diamond??
Your desperation shows just how weak of a position you truly have and so desperatly hold on too...
No my little creotard, my standard is worldwide.
It is accepted in each and every country, for those with understanding ..it was agreed in a standard of scientific knowledge.
So I "AM" am saying...if you cannot agree to the WORLD STANDARDS.
Then you are in some sort of fantasy or dreaming and that you mean so very little in OUR reality the ones with understanding have agreed to. So if you want to play with knowledge then by all means ..do bring it. Or stfu.

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#622192 May 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> If you try to use blatant stupidity and hold it as a banner, then yes I will, Do not try to use lies to defend your stronghold and keep.
Other than that I really try to like everyone, I give that my best shot, and many people are my friend from all walks and belief.
I care not your belief, but will not listen to stupid garbage as truth. I think you are fine person, who defends belief , sometimes from an ignorant position. But a great person none the less.
Just do not try to use creationist garbage science and you will shine like the diamond.
The thing is...when people suggest that substantiated scientific evidence is blatantly stupid, simply because of who said it or the site that it is written on...I have to question the character and intelligence of that person. I'll grant you...many unscientific opinions are posted on creationist sites...but unsubstantiated opinions and ideas are also posted on non-Christian sites. I don't claim to be the authority and my opinions and conclusions are sometimes just...simply wrong...I can accept that. But I'm also more than aware that there aren't any Einsteins or immortals posting on here with me. If I can have the decency to be respectful, regardless of whether or not I agree...I would hope you could the same.

If not...I'll just smile and move on and hope it makes you feel better to belittle. I hope that isn't our future on here though :)

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#622193 May 7, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I envy the long dead who will never know how low America has sunk trying to please the demented who wish to push their perversions down the throats of the innocent.
Careful, you might burst a blood vessel.

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#622194 May 7, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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LOL,, in other words AM.
What you truly mean is this "" If you see things like i see them, and conform to my way of thinking and do as >i< say"", then you will SHINE like a diamond??
Your desperation shows just how weak of a position you truly have and so desperatly hold on too...
But my message to you and her both is ...YOU are better off with your own arguments, and not the ones devised by idiots.

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#622195 May 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I can't show you God.
That's between you and Him.
If you have no faith in Him, you will not find Him.
Same with zeus, man, same with zeus. You're just avoiding his electric glory.

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#622196 May 7, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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You think man was created by a God??
I do.:)

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#622197 May 7, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It's just a little bit hard to recreate the conditions and time scales involved in the beginning of life on early earth.
yes..I agree...just a tad

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Memphis, TN

#622198 May 7, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You know I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and I clicked on your link. I was expecting, based on your little blurb here, a kooky, but possibly intelligent discussion on evolution and whether or not evidence is being suppressed. And then I saw the title:
"Dinosaurs lived with humans"
Thanks for the laugh. You couldn't have set up that punchline better if you tried.
Maybe U shoulda viewed the entire link, that way U could have an argument. If U have looked at all of the evidence that may support this, then maybe U coulda added something other than a dismissal which is what closed-minded individual do to keep from learning about something that is contrary to their own beliefs. I posted the link to incite a discussion with a decent person who may understand thus suppressed evidence. U apparently are not that person.

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#622199 May 7, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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The thing is...when people suggest that substantiated scientific evidence is blatantly stupid, simply because of who said it or the site that it is written on...I have to question the character and intelligence of that person. I'll grant you...many unscientific opinions are posted on creationist sites...but unsubstantiated opinions and ideas are also posted on non-Christian sites. I don't claim to be the authority and my opinions and conclusions are sometimes just...simply wrong...I can accept that. But I'm also more than aware that there aren't any Einsteins or immortals posting on here with me. If I can have the decency to be respectful, regardless of whether or not I agree...I would hope you could the same.
If not...I'll just smile and move on and hope it makes you feel better to belittle. I hope that isn't our future on here though :)
I respect you , and like you. I however cannot stand beguile and arguments devised by the charlatan creationist crowd.
They masquerade around as if they were telling the truth, but mislead you with garbage devised by evil people who tell lies. Because most of them know they are lying when they write it.

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#622200 May 7, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>The only thing you showed me is the inability to understand a simple statement. That is not what I said. I have always believed that our sense of being is eternal; that would cover sleeping too don't ya think? You are contradicting yourself in the same post. Your last sentence indicates that you believe the sense of being turns off yet you say you have shown me that it doesn't. What a maroon.
<quoted text> Again I have to re-explain a simple statement. I never made the leap for gravity either. I said in both cases we have 'association' and in both cases we cannot say one causes the other. Although I may have said that I agree it *seems* that mass has something to do with it, that's not enough to say that it's more probable that gravity is caused by mass rather than something completely different.
Dude. Yes, you said you think our sense of being is eternal, and you suggested that the only reason we don't remember our "sense of being" while sleeping is because our "recording device" is turned off. I showed you that a sense of being can persist even when the hippocampus is damaged, ergo, your initial suggestion that we would retain a sense of being while sleeping if the "recording device" was turned on was flawed.

You said "mass clearly has something to do with gravity," but you won't extend that same logical leap to consciousness and the brain. That's my only point.

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#622201 May 7, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have any particular evidence as to why H. sapiens should be excluded from an otherwise universal law?
I do believe species evolve...I do believe we share common genetic make-up...but I don't believe we share a common ancestor just because our genetics are so similar. I believe each species is their own...I don't believe we transitioned from an ape form to man. I mean years from now you could dig up the skeletons of me and my great aunt who had severe degenerative joints, osteoporosis, early childhood polio that she outlived, and MS. If you compared our bone structures, hers would highly resemble that of a land roaming mammal and mine would not. Yet, she'd have the genetic makeup of a human. It would be easy to wrong identify her bones from a fossilized state. I'm skeptical of our data because pigs teeth have been identified and documented as early human teeth...many errors have been made....does that really make me a complete imbecile?

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#622202 May 7, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>What makes you such an authority of how people should "perceive god"?
How do you know it isn't YOUR perception that is distorted? Why do you think "god" is some Pollyanna-like creature instead of a mean, hateful, two-faced, mysoginist, racist, snobby, egotistical, uncaring, murdering b@stard?
This PTAG thread is man's attempt to make "god" in man's image and to get other men to conform to that image that man makes of god.
Didn't claim to be an authority...but I do understand the God I believe in and He isn't all those things. You must believe in God to understand His nature.

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#622203 May 7, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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LOL..."Oh my Darwin"....I positively LOVE it! If I were an evolutionist I would SOOO use that!
OK...I said I'd revisit the issue, only reading scientific sites...don't lose your drawers yet!
That's good.

Don't disrespect my patron saint. I don't take his name in vain lightly.

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#622204 May 7, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Yes, his stance is confusing in light of the recent discovery that we humans mated and produced fertile offspring with Neanderthals which have a different DNA signature then us.
I think this kind of established a connection to older pre-humans such as Homo-heidelbergensis, Homo-erectus and others.
Just for the record...I'm a "her"...not a "his"

As would you mind terribly providing a link on this discovery...I haven't heard or read anything about it.

thanks!

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#622205 May 7, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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No...to be honest, I'm not fragile at all. Okay...so we differ in opinion. It happens...clearly...right? I actually don't recall what you and I were debating in the first place and it takes forever to go back and find posts on here, so...we'll start over from here...cause I already know I'm gonna adore you...even if you did ATTACK me and my ideas...cause I love..."oh my Darwin"...
Okay...now on to scientists and evolution. It's possible you are right....it is also possible you are wrong. Due to the stigma placed on scientists who don't walk the straight narrow path of evolution, you have no means of FACTUALLY knowing what you say is true. If you want to debate that...it's fine...but keep in mind...you're IN the box and I'm outside. When you look at good scientific evidence and find it has been trashed simply because it was placed on a creationist website...it's a fairly telltale sign, there's some serious pressure on scientist to remain quiet about what they believe...it's just...what it is.
I'm sure that there is pressure, in the same way that there is a stigma against proclaiming the world is hollow and filled with lizard people. Some ideas are simply unscientific. I stand by my previous assertion that if there existed a legitimate disproof of evolution, it would be front page news. I, for one, would be extremely interested in an alternate, scientifically sound explanation of how we got here. The evidence being what it is, such a thing is extremely unlikely. It's pretty clear that evolution happened.

Also, no one trashes "evidence" simply because it is on a creationist site - it is trashed because of the way in which the evidence is presented and the agenda of those who support said evidence. A "creation scientist" cannot, be definition, do science. He will ignore anything that contradicts his creation hypothesis, and devour anything that supports it. That's not science. The preponderance of evidence says one thing, yet they cling to the little details that seem to support their view. Contrast this with actual scientists - you can be sure that the discovery of a pre cambrian rabbit would lead to some controversy, but no one would straight up ignore it's existence so that they could continue "believing" in evolution as it is currently formulated.

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#622206 May 7, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>At the moment, one can only attribute this to deliberate obtuseness.
deliberate obtuseness....hmmm...that would be an incorrect conclusion.

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#622207 May 7, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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No end...the need to understand your lineage I suppose...I can't answer that.
Perhaps...time will tell.
Sure, most of us probably have at least a desire to understand our history. That does not mean that we cling to evolution simply because it explains our history. I don't have any sort of special attachment to the TOE, just like I have no particular affection towards the theory of relativity. They are both elegant and brilliant (depending on who you ask), but it wouldn't break my heart if either were proven wrong. I simply "believe" them because they are supported by the evidence.

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#622208 May 7, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Any researcher that doesn't see that the creature is flawed has no business even calling himself a researcher. It's an insult to the profession.
There's nothing fallacious about the question, unless you have the @ss-backwards belief that being self-destructive, screwed-up-thinking creatures is OK.
By your logic self-extinction is what we need!
You wrote;
How does a researcher that believes in god explain why god's creation is a flawed, self-destructive creature?

A "perfect god" and the conditions of the earth and universe with its dying stars, crashing galaxies, and light-sucking black holes does not mesh and never will. It will always remain a contradiction.
The paradox of being human will be what makes our species eventually self-extinct.
**********

I may have misunderstood what you was saying, i apologize... but as for the question. Thats a simple answer, it's called "Sin".

As for being human, the sinful nature of man was what brought forth death.

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#622209 May 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I respect you , and like you. I however cannot stand beguile and arguments devised by the charlatan creationist crowd.
They masquerade around as if they were telling the truth, but mislead you with garbage devised by evil people who tell lies. Because most of them know they are lying when they write it.
I assure you...at no time will I deliberately lie. You may not agree with my beliefs or opinions, as I may not agree with yours...but I don't ever intentionally lie.

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