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#621844 May 6, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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ToE is fully accepted, no research is required for veracity.
If it were "fully" accepted...then how do you explain the billions of people who still believe in God or a god? Karl...try to at least be realistic here.

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#621845 May 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nice. I've never seen that flic.
Thanks for your condolences. She had an unnecessary surgery that the great field of medical science botched, she was unable to recover from it and died 11 days after the surgery. She was only 71. Just one week earlier, she was out riding her horse like she did every Saturday. I miss the ole bag, she was a good friend.
I hear a lot of stories like that. Some doctors are useless sacks of drug addicted dog shyt.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#621846 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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The Second Law of thermodynamics applies to all systems, open or closed. The law states, that "the entropy of an "isolated" system does not decrease". It doesn't say "closed". In the natural sciences an isolated system is a physical system without any external exchange – neither matter nor energy can enter or exit, but can only move around inside. Truly isolated systems cannot exist in nature. The Second Law prohibits any functioning biological mechanism from falling together by pure chance, without assistance or plan, using only the properties of matter.
I'm neither uneducated nor a liar.
That was a typo...my mistake. I meant to type Abiogenesis. Shall I quote that? Doubt it...surely you realize...it doesn't happen.
I supplied a link re: chromosome 2 that provides excellent scientific data ( http://creation.com/chromosome-2-fusion-2 )...if you're too closed minded to read it or simply fear you don't possess the intelligence to argue it...then that isn't my problem.
Your second law creationist garbage doesn't hold water.

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#621847 May 6, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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schools have an obligation to protect minor children from filth
Then they should quit showing gay porn in the schools.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#621848 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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The Second Law of thermodynamics applies to all systems, open or closed. The law states, that "the entropy of an "isolated" system does not decrease". It doesn't say "closed". In the natural sciences an isolated system is a physical system without any external exchange – neither matter nor energy can enter or exit, but can only move around inside. Truly isolated systems cannot exist in nature. The Second Law prohibits any functioning biological mechanism from falling together by pure chance, without assistance or plan, using only the properties of matter.
I'm neither uneducated nor a liar.
That was a typo...my mistake. I meant to type Abiogenesis. Shall I quote that? Doubt it...surely you realize...it doesn't happen.
I supplied a link re: chromosome 2 that provides excellent scientific data ( http://creation.com/chromosome-2-fusion-2 )...if you're too closed minded to read it or simply fear you don't possess the intelligence to argue it...then that isn't my problem.
Wow, you don't know that "isolated" means "closed" in this context? You really are not too bright.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#621849 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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If it were "fully" accepted...then how do you explain the billions of people who still believe in God or a god? Karl...try to at least be realistic here.
Two things, billions of people are not scientifically literate, and evolution technically does not discount all concepts of what a god is. You ask someone else to be "realistic" yet you deny real evidence in place of blind and unsupported assertions, irony.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Patagonia

#621850 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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If it were "fully" accepted...then how do you explain the billions of people who still believe in God or a god? Karl...try to at least be realistic here.
Also, fully 100% of the scientific organizations on EARTH support the Theory of Evolution.

Then there are the billions of humans that don't believe in the Christian God at all. 2.1 billion and 1.8 billion

After Christians and Muslims, non-believers/non-religious come next. 1.1 billion

Catholics enjoyed a pretty big drop in attendance when it came out that their priests were screwing their children....and probably had been for a thousand+ years.

I also hear that some protestant denominations are having a hard time filling pews.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#621854 May 6, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>My post was in regards to Kittenkoder not having base thoughts, not you.
So basically, you are jealous because I do not base my thoughts and actions on another person's opinions and wishful thinking the way you do.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Patagonia

#621856 May 6, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Compared to the tiny minority of midget minds called atheist apologists, who attempted to use evolution to justify their delusions.
What do you think of the finding that most all non sub-Saharan Africans (us) carry a small percentage of Neanderthal genes/blood???

It's making for some pretty interesting twists and turns for the 'missing link' crowd (now there's no need for one).

Since: Nov 11

Sandia Park, NM

#621857 May 6, 2013
Apocalypse666 wrote:
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Sure right here.
God said that he gave man free will.
People whom are mentally ill or mentally retarded have limited control over their actions or impulses.
A mentally ill person in a comatose state or just a normal person in a coma have no free will.
Being that not everybody has free will over the actions of there bodies or the thoughts in there heads including Tourettes syndrome not all people where given free will.
If all people do not have free will then god could have not given all people free will.
We only sin because we have free will but since all people do not have free will sin does not exist
Improper use of the term "whom" accompanied by multiple misspellings. Can't really make a point when the sharpener is dull.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#621858 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Hmm..that's interesting data there Catch...a more recent study shows 11% of prisoners are atheist or non-religious, but I'm more apt to believe your 2% is closer to the truth. On the other hand, the most recent study I could find...it was in 2009, shows this:
A recent survey (June 2009) of over 2,500 U.S. scientists shows that the scientific community has a very different view of God from society as a whole. Only 33% of scientists believe in "God" while another 18% believe in a "universal spirit" or "higher power".(See source 1.) The study concluded that scientists are less likely to believe in a "God" or "Higher Power" as the general public.
It can be broken down even further by the different areas of study:
Biological/Medical Field: 32% believe in "God", another 19% don't believe in "God" but believe in a "Higher Power", and 41% do not believe in either.
Chemistry: 41% believe in "God", another 14% don't believe in "God" but believe in a "Higher Power", and 39% do not believe in either.
Geoscience: 30% believe in "God", another 20% don't believe in "God" but believe in a "Higher Power", and 47% do not believe in either.
Physics/Astronomy: 29% believe in "God", another 14% don't believe in "God" but believe in a "Higher Power", and 46% do not believe in either.
By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in "God" or a "Higher Power" with approx. 83% having a religious affiliation according to a 2006 survey conducted by the Pew Research Center.
Now that...that surprised me. Go figure
Goes to show you, huh?

Wink :)

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#621860 May 6, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Do you mean as compared to the 21 year history of NAMBLA being an intrinsic part of the IGLA, and the primary force within the gay community. No splinter group there.
I wonder, what conspiracy nuttery don't you buy? Do you also think that the Moon landing was staged?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Patagonia

#621863 May 6, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Nice diatribe. I'm sorry, but yes, creationist sites are irrelevant, by definition. Apologists have a need to believe in god, and this need informs their opinion on the science. If you can find me work by actual scientists, those working without a preconceived agenda, then that's another story. Their religious belief is irrelevant until they allow it to interfere with their ability to be objective. Would you, for example, be interested in the opinion of a devout muslim on the divinity of jesus? You shouldn't be, because no matter what, his opinion is set in stone from the beginning. Same with christian apologists - most are unable to reconcile the massive evidence for evolution with their religious conditioning, and cognitive dissonance does the rest - resulting in this manufactured controversy. Seriously, we are at the point where we can say that either evolution happened, or some god like creature really wanted us to think that it happened, but you wouldn't know it for all the "teach the controversy" wackos out there.
Pascal, Bacon, etc. are irrelevant. Science does not simply "accept their work because they cannot refute it," they accept it because it is good work and because these men did not allow their personal beliefs to slant their scientific work.
Outstanding rebuke to creationism....really good post.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Patagonia

#621864 May 6, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>There is no good evidence against God, but that has not seemed to stop you from thinking all the evidence for his existence is wrong. Just because you call debunked Darwinist theology relative, does not make it relative.
There is no good evidence for God....in fact there is no evidence at all for God.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#621865 May 6, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>There is no good evidence against God, but that has not seemed to stop you from thinking all the evidence for his existence is wrong. Just because you call debunked Darwinist theology relative, does not make it relative.
Well, until you present any evidence supporting your god, none against is needed, your god is a myth. The rest you say is nonsense.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#621869 May 7, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Okay. The rest is your problem. You seem to think we are selling something. We are not. I do not even thinking you are being invited. If you can't comprehend the proof, oh well.
Still waiting for this "proof." Also, "I do not even thinking?" Come on, if you're going to word something in an attempt to sound more literate than everyone else, avoid such inconsistencies in your linguistic grammar and patterns. In layman's terms, stop trying to sound like a snob, you suck at it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#621870 May 7, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Excellent rebuttal to all the false assumptions which atheist minded posters use, while pretending they have a science clue. I have been reading where the APA has done similar things which evolutionists have done. Create a close system of psychiatrists, designed to keep conflicting ideas and studies out, while promoting opinion and bias as science, while rejecting the Leona Tyler principle.
Wait, you think ... creation ministries is a valid scientific source ... roflmao. You are such a funny poe.

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Since: Apr 13

none of my business.

#621871 May 7, 2013
Why do you need proof that there is a God? What's the point? Would you live your life differently if you had indisputable proof? If He stood in front of you and said, I am the real deal, you would probably say you were hallucinating? When you can only think with a closed mind it is nearly impossible to believe in someone greater than us who could have no beginning or end. People in general scoff at that which they cannot comprehend. I think the universe is too large for anyone to know for sure who or what "God" could possibly be. How does not believing make one's life better? At least for those that have faith and believe that there is a heaven out there and hope to go there when they die. To me it’s pretty sad to believe that "man” is the best thing this universe has to offer.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#621872 May 7, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
Why do you need proof that there is a God? What's the point? Would you live your life differently if you had indisputable proof? If He stood in front of you and said, I am the real deal, you would probably say you were hallucinating? When you can only think with a closed mind it is nearly impossible to believe in someone greater than us who could have no beginning or end. People in general scoff at that which they cannot comprehend. I think the universe is too large for anyone to know for sure who or what "God" could possibly be. How does not believing make one's life better? At least for those that have faith and believe that there is a heaven out there and hope to go there when they die. To me it’s pretty sad to believe that "man” is the best thing this universe has to offer.
when your mind is too open, anyone can pass by and toss in any old garbage they want. When your mind is too closed, you will refuse to admit when you don't know. Religious people are the contradiction that holds both these positions simultaneously, too open, someone tossed in a myth and they just accept it without question, yet too closed to admit that their myth has no evidence supporting it. You decry people who doubt that your imaginary friend rules the universe, because that imaginary friend is actually an extension of you, but you have had your head filled with a delusion so you cannot see it, or you are too arrogant to admit it. Either way, you look the fool to intelligent people because of it.

Anyhow, your first point, yes, it would make a difference. If there was any evidence supporting a specific god, us atheists would change, most of us would no longer be atheists, others would search for other gods just to know if they exist, and us skeptics would likely want that god to be clear .... is he really the monster described in the "holy books" or are these not his real followers?

“What's your story? Nevermind.”

Since: Apr 13

none of my business.

#621873 May 7, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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when your mind is too open, anyone can pass by and toss in any old garbage they want. When your mind is too closed, you will refuse to admit when you don't know. Religious people are the contradiction that holds both these positions simultaneously, too open, someone tossed in a myth and they just accept it without question, yet too closed to admit that their myth has no evidence supporting it. You decry people who doubt that your imaginary friend rules the universe, because that imaginary friend is actually an extension of you, but you have had your head filled with a delusion so you cannot see it, or you are too arrogant to admit it. Either way, you look the fool to intelligent people because of it.
Anyhow, your first point, yes, it would make a difference. If there was any evidence supporting a specific god, us atheists would change, most of us would no longer be atheists, others would search for other gods just to know if they exist, and us skeptics would likely want that god to be clear .... is he really the monster described in the "holy books" or are these not his real followers?
Well put.

The world is just a myriad of truths and mystery, each of which is specific to the person who is observing them. Much of one’s knowledge/beliefs are “provisionally true”. True enough for practical purposes, but subject to revision if something new comes along. Many act as if they have absolute truth and facts in their hands, when what they actually have are "useful truths and facts". Things they know well enough to hold/have practical value.

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