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Since: Dec 10

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#621800 May 6, 2013
LineDazzle wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible is about integrity, kiddo. The Bible is about violence and action being at the right times, and when to use violence and when not to. It is about integrity, and doing what is best for people, kid.
Yeah like when to sacrifice your son and throw babies off the walls against the rocks and kill everyone in the city.
Eat the flesh and drink the blood of the zombie and praise the lawd and pass the ammunition!

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#621801 May 6, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>There is NO evidence to back up the man=dust or rib=woman nonsense. That IS what we were discussing, wasn't it- the origin of human life?
Don't lecture me as to what is in the bible and don't talk down to me either.
I've READ the bible in its entirety. Some nice STORIES, some nice fairy tales, some nice parables.
Some really NOT nice stuff as well which shows the bible god to be angry, wrathful, jealous, vindictive, vengeful, mean and petty.
And gee- LOTS of fairy tales are amazing and do allow the imagination to take off on flights of fancy which is nice if one accepts that that is what fairy tales are- tales spun about that which is impossible.
So- I guess you're stumped, huh? I say that since you haven't explained just HOW dust could be turned into a man and just HOW a rib could be turned into a woman.
Yeah- I know- "magic" or "don't question god" or "just because" or any other NON-answers which I do understand since the bible is totally devoid of any logic- just like every other fairy tale.
Uhm..actually, no. We were discussing where the apes came from, but you didn't have an answer so you turned it around on me. But, according to you, you've read the bible, so there really should be no question about what I believe. I didn't lecture or talk down on you either. I was simply describing the beauty of the bible. I'm sorry if you perceived that as such. I will say this, if we could descend from an ape, why couldn't we descend from the dust or dirt? Various hydrocarbons associated with life are found in the soil. It's a valid question. As for how God did it, I haven't a clue nor have I ever suggested as much.

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#621802 May 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Because it is.
2. Repeating what I said still makes your original post wrong.
3. Not a guess, it's what the evidence demonstrates.
1. That's a non-answer.

2. So is that.

3. There isn't any evidence that suggests all life came from one life.

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#621803 May 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Because mythology tells us that goat's blood splashed on a sick person will cure them, while science gives us actual cures.
Oh give me a break. Mythology USED to tell us that, just like science USED to tell us that the best way to cure a fever is to drain a little blood...

Don't give me any of that nonsense. You're implying that if you live your life trusting in science and nothing else you will be "happier and healthier". If that works for you great, but don't expect it to work great on everybody.

My mother-in-law died because of your precious science and it's precious medical "cures".

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#621804 May 6, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know- maybe from the same place that "Truth signed in" gets THIS nonsense:
TSI wrote:
"y'all spend countless hours in search of the hole that the hominid didn't jump out of,...."
After all, if one is going to spend "countless hours" wondering how we came into existence, then one isn't spending their existence using their time to LIVE.
Besides that, it matters not so much HOW we got here or even WHY we are here; what matters MUCH more is what we do with our lives WHILE we are here.
hmm...I missed this pos...but I totally agree with this...

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#621805 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhm..actually, no. We were discussing where the apes came from, but you didn't have an answer so you turned it around on me. But, according to you, you've read the bible, so there really should be no question about what I believe. I didn't lecture or talk down on you either. I was simply describing the beauty of the bible. I'm sorry if you perceived that as such. I will say this, if we could descend from an ape, why couldn't we descend from the dust or dirt? Various hydrocarbons associated with life are found in the soil. It's a valid question. As for how God did it, I haven't a clue nor have I ever suggested as much.
Um.....actually, yes. One of my first posts to you today was in response to you talking about humans evolving from apes in reference to evolution.

I then had to point out to you that evolutionists do not believe humans evolved from apes, but that is a common misconception of those who think the bible is fact- erroneously thinking that human evolution MUST mean humans evolved from apes when of course, that is not the case.

The beauty of the bible....okay- whatever.

Okay- you admit you don't know how your god did it- is that the same conclusion you think scientists and evolutionists come to regarding how the earth and life started?

Ummm.....their explanation is a bit more complicated than yours and their explanation has actual evidence and fact to back it up.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#621806 May 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No dude, WBC is not 50% of Christians...
Wow, you can't half squirm!

If you deduct the Catholics, you halfwit, as well as the other "fringe" groups, the Muslims outnumber you.

I know you're keeping track better than this. You're just being dishonest.

Funny, though.

“Calling Out The Hermits”

Since: Apr 13

At Ricky Dicky land

#621807 May 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh give me a break. Mythology USED to tell us that, just like science USED to tell us that the best way to cure a fever is to drain a little blood...
Don't give me any of that nonsense. You're implying that if you live your life trusting in science and nothing else you will be "happier and healthier". If that works for you great, but don't expect it to work great on everybody.
My mother-in-law died because of your precious science and it's precious medical "cures".
I'm sorry to hear about your mother-in-law. There is a favorite quote of mine that was mentioned in a movie, that movie was The Notebook. James Garner who played Noah as an adult, was talking to the physician about his wife who has severe dementia. The doctor tried to explain to Noah, his wife will not regain her memory back by reading a story to her about their life of when they first met. It is impossible by scientific standards.
James Garner replies......." science can only do so much and then comes God."

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Since: Jul 12

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#621808 May 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
Wow, you can't half squirm!
If you deduct the Catholics, you halfwit, as well as the other "fringe" groups, the Muslims outnumber you.
I know you're keeping track better than this. You're just being dishonest.
Funny, though.
WTF? I didn't say anything about deducting any groups of Christianity, you did.

If you had a point, please make it...

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#621809 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps we should agree to disagree on this one. I promise, I'll never budge. I will never accept that animals, the human body, even bacteria are the result of pure circumstance. Far too complex, far too amazing. Not once, in all the studies ever done has there been an instance where a living cell, much less a complex living cell, was produced from nothing, just by circumstance. if it had happened just once, I might be inclined to believe it. but it hasn't...ever.
The missing rib was um a little lower.

http://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/bac...

Woman was made from what?? Gawd done it!

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Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#621810 May 6, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Um.....actually, yes. One of my first posts to you today was in response to you talking about humans evolving from apes in reference to evolution.
I then had to point out to you that evolutionists do not believe humans evolved from apes, but that is a common misconception of those who think the bible is fact- erroneously thinking that human evolution MUST mean humans evolved from apes when of course, that is not the case.
Okay...let me clarify a few things first. I said, "Magic....really. So tell me, I get the whole...evolutionary bit...regarding our ancestral lineage. But do tell...please...how science suggest the world and all that inhabits it came to be. Oh wait...let's see...there's that whole Big Bang theory...hmmm...let's see...I do believe in this theory...life basically emerges from nothing. That's pretty cool, except we've never recorded another single event where life springs from nothing. Sounds magical to me."So, again, please, tell me....how exactly did we come into existence?" (see post #621677)

You answered, "By means of evolution. That's the short answer and the most direct."

Now, with that in the proper perspective, because it is quoted, viewable text...your answer states that we came into existence by way of evolution. My answer to that was,
"AH AH...don't run off. By means of evolution from what? The TOE tells us our ancestors were apes...where the crap did the apes come from? Dig deep in your scientific world of knowledge...I really wanna get to nitty gritty of all this."
We went through multiple other posts regarding the semantics of the TOE, but never once did you give me your answer as to where the apes came from or that common ancestor. Additionally, you completely avoided the the whole chromosome 2 fusion information, which in fact, does suggest we are the result of apes. Now...you say...
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>The beauty of the bible....okay- whatever. Okay- you admit you don't know how your god did it- is that the same conclusion you think scientists and evolutionists come to regarding how the earth and life started?
Ummm.....their explanation is a bit more complicated than yours and their explanation has actual evidence and fact to back it up.
So please...enlighten me...what is their complicated explanation with actual evidence regarding how earth and life started? Geez...that's all I really wanted know in the first place.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#621811 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
First, I'm not a teacher, but in my profession, which is in healthcare, I do teach. Next, my degree required that I study biology, physics, genetics, forensics, chemistry...and much more...I'm not just some google researcher...and I actually attended college before online course were even available. However, I have sold most of my books, so I do tend to rely on the Internet these days....You have seriously misjudged me.
The controversy surrounding evolution is hardly the result of one little doubt. Billions of people doubt evolution. Surely, you aren't gonna blame this on one little doubt. there are hole and missing links...that's the bottom line and it's not my fault, so why lash out at me.
"Controversy"?

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#621812 May 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
WTF? I didn't say anything about deducting any groups of Christianity, you did.
If you had a point, please make it...
Stop tapdancing.

Are Catholics Christians?

Are JWs?

Is the guy in the next pew?

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#621813 May 6, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> The missing rib was um a little lower.
http://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/bac...
Woman was made from what?? Gawd done it!
Lol...men!

Y'all amazingly find a way to bring your man member into every conversation!

<shakes head> Snap out of it! This is a real debate here...

:)
Aukion

Riverside, CA

#621814 May 6, 2013
people need something to believe in. There are only 2 things I know that prove God is real.
1, ghosts. People have been seing "spirits" of sorts for- however old humans are.
2. Aztecs/ Myans. Again, since the dawn of time, man has worshipped one, some, or many gods and goddesses.
3. Aliens. Some people think God was an alien and maybe collanized earth.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#621815 May 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"Controversy "?
Well, obviously if billions don't agree, there is some degree of controversy. According to a worldwide census, only 14.09% of the people in the world are non-religious and 12.48% are classified as "other". I'll give or take a few of the religious and say some believe God or a god used evolution as a means of creation, but for the most part...regardless of what the scientific crowd or atheist choose to believe...when discussing the TOE as it relates to the evolution of man...there is definitely controversy.

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#621816 May 6, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Okay- let's try this: If you believe that the first man was created from dust, just exactly how did THAT happen?
And if you believe the first woman was created from a rib of the first man, exactly how did THAT happen?
Bible thumpers not only like to shove their beliefs down the throats of others, they do so with thinking THEY have it all figured out and that anyone who thinks differently is the "anti-Christ".
Hypocrite much, shove down your throats? Puuulease!!! And what has the science world done with their belief of EVOLUTION in the class rooms of the USA, from elamentry to college?? They are brain washing kids by the thousands with their hypocrisy and lies...
So do tell, TSI- just HOW did your god go about creating a man from DUST and then creating a woman from a RIB of the first man?
This ought to be good......
You have put yourself in the same position as a Christian.. PROVE to us there isnt a GOD?

Now since SCIENCE and Atheist has YET to prove the nonexistence of God,(regardless of your stupid claim other wise), because if you can honestly say that you have indeed searched out and deeply examined all proposed evidences of God and found them all lacking.
You would be a certifiable fool, and liar or both.

We both KNOW there are no atheists/or scientist who can even be aware of all the evidences that may exist for God,(besides nature itself) nor even of all proposed evidences since this would require a knowledge of every argument for God that has ever existed as well as all possible other evidences. To truly KNOW there is zero evidence for God’s existence implies that the atheist claiming this knows all possible evidences for God’s existence. Which is ridiculas!!!

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#621817 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay...let me clarify a few things first. I said, "Magic....really. So tell me, I get the whole...evolutionary bit...regarding our ancestral lineage. But do tell...please...how science suggest the world and all that inhabits it came to be. Oh wait...let's see...there's that whole Big Bang theory...hmmm...let's see...I do believe in this theory...life basically emerges from nothing. That's pretty cool, except we've never recorded another single event where life springs from nothing. Sounds magical to me."So, again, please, tell me....how exactly did we come into existence?" (see post #621677)
You answered, "By means of evolution. That's the short answer and the most direct."
Now, with that in the proper perspective, because it is quoted, viewable text...your answer states that we came into existence by way of evolution. My answer to that was,
"AH AH...don't run off. By means of evolution from what? The TOE tells us our ancestors were apes...where the crap did the apes come from? Dig deep in your scientific world of knowledge...I really wanna get to nitty gritty of all this."
We went through multiple other posts regarding the semantics of the TOE, but never once did you give me your answer as to where the apes came from or that common ancestor. Additionally, you completely avoided the the whole chromosome 2 fusion information, which in fact, does suggest we are the result of apes. Now...you say...
<quoted text>
So please...enlighten me...what is their complicated explanation with actual evidence regarding how earth and life started? Geez...that's all I really wanted know in the first place.
Get used to the mental tapdancing with these folks....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#621818 May 6, 2013
QuickDraw 1 wrote:
<quoted text> I'm sorry to hear about your mother-in-law. There is a favorite quote of mine that was mentioned in a movie, that movie was The Notebook. James Garner who played Noah as an adult, was talking to the physician about his wife who has severe dementia. The doctor tried to explain to Noah, his wife will not regain her memory back by reading a story to her about their life of when they first met. It is impossible by scientific standards.
James Garner replies......." science can only do so much and then comes God."
Nice. I've never seen that flic.

Thanks for your condolences. She had an unnecessary surgery that the great field of medical science botched, she was unable to recover from it and died 11 days after the surgery. She was only 71. Just one week earlier, she was out riding her horse like she did every Saturday. I miss the ole bag, she was a good friend.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#621819 May 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Stop tapdancing.
Are Catholics Christians?
Are JWs?
Is the guy in the next pew?
How many times have I answered that, Mac? Five times? Ten times?

Yes, Catholics are Christian.
Yes, JW's are Christian.
Even the retards at WBC are Christian.

What's your f_cking point?

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