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#621575 May 6, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Nice diatribe. I'm sorry, but yes, creationist sites are irrelevant, by definition. Apologists have a need to believe in god, and this need informs their opinion on the science. If you can find me work by actual scientists, those working without a preconceived agenda, then that's another story. Their religious belief is irrelevant until they allow it to interfere with their ability to be objective. Would you, for example, be interested in the opinion of a devout muslim on the divinity of jesus? You shouldn't be, because no matter what, his opinion is set in stone from the beginning. Same with christian apologists - most are unable to reconcile the massive evidence for evolution with their religious conditioning, and cognitive dissonance does the rest - resulting in this manufactured controversy. Seriously, we are at the point where we can say that either evolution happened, or some god like creature really wanted us to think that it happened, but you wouldn't know it for all the "teach the controversy" wackos out there.
Pascal, Bacon, etc. are irrelevant. Science does not simply "accept their work because they cannot refute it," they accept it because it is good work and because these men did not allow their personal beliefs to slant their scientific work.
Ahh...that's a two edged sword my friend. Are you seriously going stand behind the idea that only Christians have a biased opinion? Evolutionist have a need to believe in evolution and this need informs their opinion on science as well. Surely you aren't going to say that all data collected and researched by evolutionists is objective.

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#621576 May 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Plus he errs in another major point.
Had anyone, anywhere, ever come up with a disproof of evolution, that's be all over the SCIENTIFIC publications.
Pre-Cambrian rabbit, anyone?
Seriously. "Deniers" act as if there is some concerted effort going on to pull the wool over their eyes. It's not sciences fault that the evidence points toward common descent and therefore conflicts with many creation myths, that's just how it is. If there was a disproof, it would be met with resistance, obviously, with evolution being pretty firmly entrenched across many scientific disciplines (because of it's robustness as a theory, not because of some "conspiracy"). However, it would still be huge news, and eventually the TOE would have no choice but to fall.

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#621577 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Ahh...that's a two edged sword my friend. Are you seriously going stand behind the idea that only Christians have a biased opinion? Evolutionist have a need to believe in evolution and this need informs their opinion on science as well. Surely you aren't going to say that all data collected and researched by evolutionists is objective.
Humans have biases. The purpose of the scientific method is to reduce or remove them. Evolution research is guided by the scientific method, apologetics is not.

And I seriously doubt you'd have much luck defending the assertion that "evolutionists need to believe in evolution." We do not believe our salvation depends on the hallowed archaeopteryx. I "believe" in evolution because it would be perverse not to; the evidence is overwhelming to the point that it would be absurd for me to deny it. If a better explanation were to come along, I would have no problem changing my views.

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#621578 May 6, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously. "Deniers" act as if there is some concerted effort going on to pull the wool over their eyes. It's not sciences fault that the evidence points toward common descent and therefore conflicts with many creation myths, that's just how it is. If there was a disproof, it would be met with resistance, obviously, with evolution being pretty firmly entrenched across many scientific disciplines (because of it's robustness as a theory, not because of some "conspiracy"). However, it would still be huge news, and eventually the TOE would have no choice but to fall.
Yah. That's how science works.

If the theory doesn't match the data, you change the theory.

Faith warps the data, or ignores it, to fit the theory.

To put it another way:

Believer: "God".
Everyone else: "Really? Kewl! Show me."
Believer: "BLASPHEMER!"

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#621579 May 6, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
...it'll make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.:)
are you the standard?

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#621580 May 6, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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Hey Karl!!!:-)
Hey Clem,

I see your studies have left you cranky.

OCB

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Orlando but NYC born & raised

#621581 May 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I'm aware, thank you/ Now, are they Christians?
You certainly consider Catholics to be Christians.
Not entirely true. A month or so ago, RR was trying to insist that Catholics are NOT Christians.

It was only after I and several other posters proved to him that he was wrong in his ignorant assertion that Catholics aren't Christians that he finally capitulated and realized he had no choice but to accept the fact that Catholics are in fact, Christian.

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#621582 May 6, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Even I think that's a little over the top. I mean, maybe if he was obnoxious about it, screaming "praise the lord" over and over, but pointing at the sky isn't that serious.
So what if he was screaming "praise the lord" over and over?

He's constitutionally protected to do so.

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#621583 May 6, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>They might as well be a denomination. If I was a christian, I would insist they were a splinter group.
A single church is not and can not be a denomination.

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#621584 May 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I'm aware, thank you/ Now, are they Christians?
You certainly consider Catholics to be Christians.
Ya they're Christians, albeit rather strange....

The WB people do not represent Christians, they're atypical.

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#621585 May 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Read it.
"Primitive Baptist/Calvinist".
Christian.
Now, about the Catholics, Mormons, JWs, Christian Scientists...
What Christian scientists? Who are you referring to?

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#621586 May 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Yah. That's how science works.
If the theory doesn't match the data, you change the theory.
Faith warps the data, or ignores it, to fit the theory.
To put it another way:
Believer: "God".
Everyone else: "Really? Kewl! Show me."
Believer: "BLASPHEMER!"
Stupid, baseless analogy.

Atheist: "There is no gods"
Theist: "Prove it"
Atheist: " It's YOUR STUPID RELIGION!!"

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#621587 May 6, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Not entirely true. A month or so ago, RR was trying to insist that Catholics are NOT Christians.
It was only after I and several other posters proved to him that he was wrong in his ignorant assertion that Catholics aren't Christians that he finally capitulated and realized he had no choice but to accept the fact that Catholics are in fact, Christian.
Hehehe.

I know. I just wanted to tangle him up again.

I LIKE this game!

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#621588 May 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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A single church is not and can not be a denomination.
You're the only one said it might be.

And even at that, you're wrong.

All sects started as a single church or group.

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#621589 May 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya they're Christians, albeit rather strange....
The WB people do not represent Christians, they're atypical.
In other words, a cult.

Just like yours, only smaller.

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#621590 May 6, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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are you the standard?
Lol...probably not. But I try :)

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#621591 May 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So what if he was screaming "praise the lord" over and over?
He's constitutionally protected to do so.
Things are a bit different in school.

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#621592 May 6, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, it is a way to poke fun, but it also makes a point. Christians always like to point out that "not all scientists are darwinists," and while this is technically true, it is meaningless, which is what "project steve" is meant to highlight.
How in the world is "project steve" an attack? You made a fallacious claim about not all scientists "believing" in evolution, and I used project steve to point out the flaw in your logic. Not an attack. "That's how 'evolutionist' roll?" Lol. I'm not attacking you. Goodness. And I did provide proof for my claim about chromosome two, which is only a tiny, tiny portion of the overall evidence for evolution. If you can't find evidence for evolution, you aren't looking.
Yes, religious men have made scientific discoveries. So?
Actually, the fact that "not all scientists are darwinists," isn't meaningless nor is it fallacious at all, particularly when a Darwinist claims all scientific data presented by a Christian is biased or irrelevant. Project Steve isn't pointing out a flaw in logic...it simply pokes fun at christians in an attempt to diminish the truth...which is...Christian Scientists have and still do present factual scientific data. Project Steve is clearly an infantile attacking rebuttal by evolutionist when Christians merely point out the fact that objective Christian scientists have made remarkable discoveries.

I can find evidence both for and against evolution. But the one thing that is for sure, the theory of Evolution violates two laws of science. The Second Law of Thermodynamics (law of increasing entropy) and the Law of Biogenesis. And, on chromosome 2, unless you object to reading scientific data on a Christian site, here's some good scientific research that shows there is NOT clear evidence of the fusion. http://creation.com/chromosome-2-fusion-2

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#621593 May 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Stupid, baseless analogy.
Atheist: "There is no gods"
Theist: "Prove it"
Atheist: " It's YOUR STUPID RELIGION!!"
No, you're trying that burden-of-proof BS again.

It doesn't work.

There's no evidence to support the existence of any deity.
Therefore, there's no reason to believe in one.
Therefore, I don't.

If you have any evidence, I'd be fascinated.

If you have proof, I'll have to believe.

Waiting.

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#621594 May 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>You're the only one said it might be.
And even at that, you're wrong.
All sects started as a single church or group.
But, it's different.

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