OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620551 Apr 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So you buy into any conspiracy nonsense as long as it gives you justification to hate someone.
I find it interesting that there are those who would believe that just because a president says: "May god bless you" they take that to mean that the president is religious or that those who are not religious can't/shouldn't support a president who is.

Even if Obama is religious, he doesn't use his religious beliefs to govern.

I don't support- or not support- a president based on whatever his religious beliefs are and in Obama's case, there is not a lot out there about what he believes and how religious he is or not.

Regardless, using an expression such as "May god bless you" is not indicative of how religious someone is and even if that is an indicator that Obama is religious, I see no reason why that would make a difference to those who support him who do not believe in a god.

But I suspect that if a president came out and said he was an atheist, those on the religious right would find that enough reason to have no support for the president- regardless of how good a politician he might be and regardless of how good a President he might be.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#620552 Apr 30, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
Being able to see electrical activity in the brain does not prove that consciousness is molecular, only that the body reacts to consciousness.
http://www.livescience.com/7799-strange-human...
The rest of the body lights up too. Each of us, including the newly conceived, have a unique electromagnetic wave, a signature, that remains in the universe forever...somewhere. Every wave evolves into another waveform, forever, or at least as long as the universe does. At one time the existence of atoms were only an intuition that later proved a truth, a reality. I suspect we are very close to learning what form our waves evolve into after death. Our curiosity and imaginations don't allow us to ignore the arcane for long.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.

And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her eyes, that those photons created within her constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.

And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.

And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly. Amen.

“It's all about the struggle”

Since: Jun 10

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#620553 Apr 30, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.
And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her eyes, that those photons created within her constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.
And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.
And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly. Amen.
Only if it makes them feel better. ;)

I'm unsure exactly who in my family has religious faith or truly believes that people can live again in another form. Some say they do but I suspect that much of that may only be superstitious lip-service instigated by guilt or fear...like insurance.

“It's all about the struggle”

Since: Jun 10

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#620554 Apr 30, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>You *believe* consciousness is a product of the molecules that make up our brain. There is no evidence to support a mechanism for consciousness therefore it can only be a belief. Where's your "skepticism" on that one?
You *believe* that consciousness came into being rather than always being in existence. You have no way of knowing whether it is a quantum phenomenon that could co exist with a big bang. And even if it wasn't of quantum origin, you have no way of knowing the extent of 'existence' in which consciousness or 'life as we know it' could have been coexisting with the events we believe to have taken place.
You *believe* that what we experience is a "first order" reality and not, on some level, an illusion. And even without any of that, there is no absolute knowledge, so pretty much everything is a belief.
Besides all that, why do you guys insist that you hold no beliefs when it's so obvious that you actually believe there is no higher power. If you were truly neutral you wouldn't belittle the idea so much.
<quoted text>Does that sound like someone that lacks a belief on the subject? Sounds to me like you believe it is impossible for a higher power to exist.
Apparently, he believes it is up to him to decide what is impossible. Not much free-thinking there.
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#620555 Apr 30, 2013
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R A P T U R E : Who goes?...Who stays?

http://youtu.be/LVvXgkOK-84

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Since: Apr 13

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#620556 Apr 30, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, dear.
Atheist's Statement:
1. There's no evidence to support the existence of a deity.
2 Therefore, there's no reason to believe in one.
3. Therefore, I don't.
Want to make me consider the idea? Provide evidence.
Want to make me believe? Provide proof.
It's your claim. And your ball.
Faith as the Evidence of things Unseen (Forerunner Commentary ...
Evidence of the unseen things gives a person conviction.... Thus, living faith is belief in God that keeps the commandments. Living faith produces growth.
www.bibletools.org/.../Faith-as-&#8203;Ev... -

Since: Apr 13

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#620557 Apr 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So you buy into any conspiracy nonsense as long as it gives you justification to hate someone.
You do know what assumption does to you don't you?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#620558 Apr 30, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>Faith as the Evidence of things Unseen (Forerunner Commentary ...
Evidence of the unseen things gives a person conviction.... Thus, living faith is belief in God that keeps the commandments. Living faith produces growth.
www.bibletools.org/.../Faith-as-&#8203;Ev... -
Pfft.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620559 Apr 30, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Oh?
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Where? When?
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Says you. I say you're wrong. You present no argument, so why should I?
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You're telling me that I have a confirmation bias, yet you can't identify it.
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How ironic. Your next statement here applies to what you just did.
Those are not my positions, dolt.
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My opinions are rationally derived.
Why can't you accept that?
Is it too uncomfortable?
Why would your opinions make me uncomfortable?

What exactly are your "opinions"?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620560 Apr 30, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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It does not go both ways, man.
Lacking a belief, or even rejecting a belief, is not the same as adopting a belief. No faith is required. No bias is required. Only skepticism is required.
You're just childishly turning my arguments around against me.
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I would entertain countless possible explanations, in any scenario, before believing an impossible explanation.
See? God *poofing* in next to you is "an impossible explanation".

That's your confirmation bias right there.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#620561 Apr 30, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently, he believes it is up to him to decide what is impossible. Not much free-thinking there.
So true. Sadly it seems to be a common theme on these threads. Certain people proclaiming themselves "free-thinkers" yet claim to know absolute truth and condemn any who challenges their views or behaviors.

Since: Apr 13

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#620562 Apr 30, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Pfft.
As your friend Biden said, this is a BFD.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620563 Apr 30, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Or yours.
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Is this an argument that the God character never tortures a single person for an eternity? It doesn't look like it.
Eternal punishment negates justice, love, and mercy.
No, it's a direct response to your inquiry of:

"Does this work for you? Let's say you live your entire life without ever hearing of God, you die, and you are tortured for an eternity. Where was the justice in that?"

You are wrong. I just showed you that.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#620564 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You are wrong. I just showed you that.
A very Buckish statement.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620565 Apr 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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A very Buckish statement.
Whatever, dude. It's true. Tide claimed that it's not justice that people who have never even heard of Jesus go straight to Hell.

He was wrong.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#620566 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Whatever, dude. It's true. Tide claimed that it's not justice that people who have never even heard of Jesus go straight to Hell.
He was wrong.
That's your opinion and nothing more.

I happen to agree with Tide.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#620567 Apr 30, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Sure.
As soon as you convince me that he existed.
Then you'll have to convince me that he's not dead.
i guess you're not a fan of history and evidence, huh? nothing i can do about that!

the law of the land dictates that we agree to disagree without doing each other harm and i'm more than good with leaving it at that!:)

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620568 Apr 30, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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i guess you're not a fan of history and evidence, huh? nothing i can do about that!
the law of the land dictates that we agree to disagree without doing each other harm and i'm more than good with leaving it at that!:)
What has the law of the land or its dictates have to do with agreeing to disagree without doing harm to another?

Couldn't you agree to disagree without doing harm to another even if it wasn't the "law of the land"?

Is it only the law which keeps you in check and which you must rely on in the absence of possessing any moral fiber?

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620569 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Whatever, dude. It's true. Tide claimed that it's not justice that people who have never even heard of Jesus go straight to Hell.
He was wrong.
What was he wrong about?

Was it his claim that it's not justice or was he wrong about those who haven't heard of your Jesus going straight to hell?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#620570 Apr 30, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>"We?" I think for myself and you are full of crap.
Actually you spend most of your topix time trying to be annoying condescending, adversarial, opinionated, and hostile to any thoughts other than those that mirror your own.

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