Prove there's a god.

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#620955 May 2, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
Hey Tide!:)
Meow are you?

Everyone missed you meow much!

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#620956 May 2, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Meow are you?
Everyone missed you meow much!
Lol...well...I'm glad to know I was missed :) should I bark, purr, or what? Clearly, you guys are getting bored in here!!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#620957 May 2, 2013
sceerd wrote:
PROVE THERE IS NOT? WORKS BOTH WAYS... Thats why it is called faith. Faithful enough to believe despite all the harsh treatment that believers receive now days.
Keep your Faith and live your world according to the bibles teachings and one day you will receive eternal life.
God give humans freewill to choose their destiny. Its up to you to choose your own path. You are provided with the roadmap of life. But are you going to follow it.
No, it does not work "both ways," you are making the claim, provide evidence that your claim is based on facts. Until you provide evidence, us intelligent and sane people will continue to deny your claim.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#620958 May 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"nature makes life"???
How do you know?
No one knows that.
So you were designed in a laboratory and not born of another human?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#620959 May 2, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Lol...well...I'm glad to know I was missed :) should I bark, purr, or what? Clearly, you guys are getting bored in here!!
So. Why the prolonged absence?

We did miss you, you know.

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#620960 May 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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O_o
So all your beliefs are based on evidence, except your belief in God?
I don't have a belief in god. If there was evidence for god, I would believe in him. When the best "evidence" for your god is the same evidence that leads people to believe in fortune tellers, aliens, allah, and other assorted oddities, it needs not be considered seriously.

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#620961 May 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh please. There is no book in history as popular, most read, most studied, most published and most distributed as the Bible.
So? Popularity is a test for truth now? Perhaps I should be in fear of voldemort then, not the devil.

The bible is a significant book, no one is denying that, but that doesn't make it's claims any more credible.

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#620962 May 2, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
Lol...well...I'm glad to know I was missed :) should I bark, purr, or what? Clearly, you guys are getting bored in here!!
I just like to play every meow and then.

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#620963 May 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The flood of the Epic of Gilgamesh is contained on Tablet XI of twelve large stone tablets that date to around 650 B.C. These tablets are obviously not originals, since fragments of the flood story have been found on tablets that date to 2,000 B.C. It is likely that the story itself originated much before that, since the Sumerian cuneiform writing has been estimated to go as far back as 3,300 B.C.
And Moses could read and write cuneiform. Odd....
What?

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#620964 May 2, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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tru dat, hommie! a holy woman is not a vain or self-centered woman and the Lord knows we need more of them in this world!:)
And they know that it is their holy duty to submit to men! Duh! They don't think about themselves, only how they can serve their man, who is basically god incarnate anyway.

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#620965 May 2, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text> Actually, if molecules themselves are conscious then they can't "become conscious" because they already are conscious.
Still, no one has anything to offer on how unconscious molecules could ever become aware of themselves.
Tired of this. Thanks for the conversation, but we've been going in circles for a while now. My only point is that if you require a mechanism for consciousness from non-consciousness before we can infer meaning from the apparent brain/thought connection, you might as well demand a similar mechanism for everything else for which we have no explanation, therefore ruling out any current observations. That, to me, makes no sense. It's technically true, but I think it's prudent to go with what we have rather than what we might have someday.

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#620966 May 2, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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It would help you if you would read up on the subject, before you go to flapping ur jaws...goofeee..
Really? You claim that all of science is involved in a massive conspiracy to deceive the public, and you aren't responsible for substantiating that claim? You're nuts.

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#620967 May 2, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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Do you even know what you are arguing about with me and the other poster dufes?
The GTS dateing method, MANY scientist say it is a flawed method..
But im gonna guess you dont huh??
Who?

Anyways, as I said, even if it was, it wouldn't matter. Evolution does not depend on the date of the earth. There is plenty of evidence for it even if we don't consider the massive time scales involved.

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#620968 May 2, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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Again,, wont you just shewww away..If you knew how stupid you looked, projecting your ignorance on here!!!
<shakes head>
Wow.. the world is still here a few days after this point. That's good. Surprising though, since this post should have caused a universe ending paradox.

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#620969 May 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Well I can't play this game with you, seriously if you're gonna act like atheists don't use a confirmation bias to support their opinion then you're either really, really stupid or you're a liar. I don't think you're stupid.
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I disagree, I think the more one learns about their religion the more they believe in it, mot the less they believe in it.
See? You, an atheist, are using confirmation bias to support your opinion.
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Oh give me a break, that's like telling the judge that the fine for speeding was too much because the speed limit is unfair.
You know the speed limit so you have a choice, either you obey it and everything's fine for you disobey it and you pay the penalty.
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Not once, but twice you use the atheist handbook because you have nothing else to say, no defense.
Imagine that.
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No it isn't, it's based purely on conjecture, opinion and your 'gut feeling'. That's hardly evidence.
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I'm sorry that you're getting all butt hurt over this, but that's your downfall, not mine.
Imagine the penalty for speeding was the death penalty. Absurd, right? Still more reasonable than a loving god punishing his creations with eternal torture for a finite offense. Completely out of proportion. Have you ever really considered what "eternal" means? I doubt I would even want eternal bliss, let alone eternal pain. There is nothing a human could do to deserve that.

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#620970 May 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Uh huh....
It goes both ways, man.
Once a person has believes religion is false, and builds a system of beliefs in their mind, they have a confirmation bias, so all the learning they do will likely support their beliefs, unless they can discard their faith.
Some people's minds are so entrenched in their belief that there is no God, nothing will change their mind. Even if God Himself *poofed* in next to you, you'd probably call it a hallucination or alien invasion or something.
Which would be the reasonable assumption until such time that he definitively proved himself a god. Am I to trust my senses in the face of something that contradicts everything I know about the world and how it works?

And RR, you know this, because you have been told this many times, but we don't believe there are no gods. That is impossible to know.

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#620971 May 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's your biblical ignorance and your confirmation bias talking...
The Bible says God will judge all people righteously. There will be a stricter judgment for people that have rejected Jesus than those who have never heard of Him.
Paul tells us that those who have never heard of the law are not attributed to sin under the law.
The people who have never heard of the law are judged by the law of God which He has placed into their hearts:
Romans 2:14-16
14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
So, because the bible says god judges us righteously, even in the face of a clearly unjust punishment, that means he judges us righteously? There is nothing righteous about damning someone to eternal torture. I couldn't even do that to someone if they killed my entire family, yet your god, the ultimate authority on morality, does so with impunity. Absurd.

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#620972 May 2, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Please consider this.
Part of the problem is likely to be that most people believe we are unconscious when we sleep (in the absence of dreaming). Most of us can agree that the hardware is turned off in this case. But there are many angles here. First, ask yourself this. What's different about brain activity while dreaming versus while awake? Is there some kind of '[email protected]$$ mode' of hardware function that allows for dreaming?
What I'm saying is if we are "unconscious" when we sleep then how can we experience conscious phenomenon in the form of dreams? Could it be that a quantumly rooted consciousness is causing the dreams? Molecules would be involved either way. You have association of molecules whether consciousness is quantum or molecular.
Who says we are not conscious while sleeping? We may not be aware of what happens around us but who's to say whether we are not aware of our being in the present? We can't even prove it to ourselves because it is beyond our means. As I've postulated so many times,'just being' is not an "event", therefore there is no memory of it, and therefore, when we wake, it only *seems* like we have been unconscious because there is no memory of our "being" while sleeping.
Even while awake, can you remember your sense of being from a day ago? An hour ago? A minute ago? You know what it feels like to be "alive" but you can't remember your actual 'sense of being' because there is no memory of it unless we can associate an event with that timeframe. An event like sudden onset of puking your guts out, or from a case of the runs.
The hardware pretty clearly is not turned off while we sleep. The brain is very active at all stages of sleep. And yes, there kind of is a "half ass mode" that occurs during sleep. The brain functions on different wavelengths.

I think dreaming supports my position anyway - that the brain can create experience out of whole cloth with no corresponding "reality" to draw from seems a pretty clear indicator that the brain is responsible for thought.

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#620973 May 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes. To those that know about God and choose to reject Him will not go to Heaven.
But a person ignorant of God and His laws doesn't mean they're of to Hell. It depends on how they've lived their lives.
Everyone will face God when they are judged. Everyone.
Ohhh. Spooookyyyyy! Who wins in the god showdown - a caring, loving, compassionate person who lived a virtuous life, or a so-so person with more bad traits than good traits who also believed in god? Say, the daili lama vs ted haggard.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

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#620974 May 2, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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So. Why the prolonged absence?
We did miss you, you know.
aww....Seriously??? That makes me feel good!
Actually, I've been quite busy working and just don't get on here much. I think about all you guys ever so often though...hope all is well!

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