“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#620522 Apr 29, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>It's obvious you havent studied and done a detailed search of scriptures in the Bible like you say you have. Those two verses need to be looked at the ''time'' and the ''context''.. Tell me, how would a world/people abtain peace with out having war? God is a God of peace, as well as a God of war. God created a world of peace, but mans rebellion has changed that.. Simple answer to your supposed contradiction..

[QUOTE]
No thanks. If I really wanted a god that ban, I'd look for a better one than yours. Yours makes people think really strange things. I see them in prayer halls and churches pretending to feel uplifted or something, and they just look phony and stupid.
Buddhism seems pretty cool, but I've seen people get all flaky over that, too. "

Well good luck with that, there isnt but one God and one mediator between us and God, the man Christ Jesus.. Strang things as in?

Yes i have seen some pretty crazy things myself, in some holiness churches.. Snake handeling, flopping on the floor like a fish out of water, but hey thats them. It doesnt affect my relationship with God. If you are useing other people as an excuse to not believe or have a relationship with God, then thats on you..
I'm good with it.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#620523 Apr 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure about RR.

Last I heard, he was bent over a barrel.
So I heard.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#620524 Apr 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
No scientists do not , theists do.
You know people just like you that have a problem with it.
Of course scientists realize nothing is perfect , and the margin of error is there. But this methodology has been sharpened and revised since the 17 century, and is accepted despite the known margin of error.
Hmm,ok.. I dont have a problem with science per say, its people like you i have a problem with.

So are you speaking about the sharpened and revised Radiometric Dating they now use? If so, isnt it also flawed as well??

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#620525 Apr 29, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>I got a hunch that you havent truly sought God out with an open mind and heart, and that you are useing ''other people'' as reason to not believe..

I totaly agree with your last sentence. And just because God/Jesus and Satan hasnt been proven to you or disproven, doesnt mean that they are real..
I have a hunch you haven't truly sought out true and satisfying answers to the nature of the world you live in.

The bible holds no satisfying answers for me.

I don't know what will happen to me after I die, but I suspect it will be much like before I was born.

I'm trying to learn and enjoy THIS life and have as little negative impact on the world and people around me as I can.

And where possible I try to have a positive impact.

If your god doesn't like that, tough shit.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#620526 Apr 29, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>Hmm,ok.. I dont have a problem with science per say, its people like you i have a problem with.

So are you speaking about the sharpened and revised Radiometric Dating they now use? If so, isnt it also flawed as well??
You have a HUGE problem with science.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620527 Apr 29, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

Whenever an atheist and a theist have a debate about religion, it's usually the case that the confirmation bias of the theist causes them to make all sorts of errors.
Well I can't play this game with you, seriously if you're gonna act like atheists don't use a confirmation bias to support their opinion then you're either really, really stupid or you're a liar. I don't think you're stupid.
If you understood religion as well as I do, the cognitive dissonance that would produce in you would be so uncomfortable that you would live in constant turmoil. You can't understand, as a believer. It would wreck your faith. Understanding religion results in atheism, in almost every case.


I disagree, I think the more one learns about their religion the more they believe in it, mot the less they believe in it.

See? You, an atheist, are using confirmation bias to support your opinion.
It is in error. Where is the justice in torturing a human for eternity, for any crime a human can commit? Would it be justice for me to kill you and your family in return for you flicking a booger at me?
It is an error to attribute such a fictional character with anything close to justice, when it gratuitously punishes the vast majority of human souls for an eternity.
Oh give me a break, that's like telling the judge that the fine for speeding was too much because the speed limit is unfair.

You know the speed limit so you have a choice, either you obey it and everything's fine for you disobey it and you pay the penalty.
You're an idiot.

You're an idiot.
Not once, but twice you use the atheist handbook because you have nothing else to say, no defense.

Imagine that.
My "belief" that no deities exist is based on statistical analysis.
No it isn't, it's based purely on conjecture, opinion and your 'gut feeling'. That's hardly evidence.
Not even close.
If you're not going to put effort into it, I'm not going to bother with you.
I'm sorry that you're getting all butt hurt over this, but that's your downfall, not mine.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#620528 Apr 29, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmm,ok.. I dont have a problem with science per say, its people like you i have a problem with.
So are you speaking about the sharpened and revised Radiometric Dating they now use? If so, isnt it also flawed as well??
If you mean does it have people like you saying it does then yes.
If you mean is there actually a problem with it, then no.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620529 Apr 29, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
So I heard.
The rumors of my ASSimilation are greatly exaggerated.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#620530 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Well I can't play this game with you, seriously if you're gonna act like atheists don't use a confirmation bias to support their opinion then you're either really, really stupid or you're a liar. I don't think you're stupid.
A confirmation bias is like a filter. When new information comes in, a confirmation bias influences you to elevate the quality you perceive in information that confirms your bias, and suppress the quality you perceive in information that contradicts your bias.

All it takes is a lack of confirmation bias, and rational skepticism, to reject all god claims.

Your claim isn't exactly clear. If you're claiming that atheists have a confirmation bias, you'll have to tell me what you think it is, because I don't know. Make sure you specify if your claim applies to all atheists, most atheists, some atheists, or specific atheists.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I disagree, I think the more one learns about their religion the more they believe in it, mot the less they believe in it.
See? You, an atheist, are using confirmation bias to support your opinion.
I was speaking about the system of religion, but what I said also applies to individual religions, though to a lesser or greater extent, depending on the religion.

Once a person has faith in their religion, and builds a system of beliefs in their mind, they have a confirmation bias, so all the learning they do will likely support their beliefs, unless they can discard their faith. Once faith is discarded, and the confirmation is gone, you can objectively evaluate, or learn in earnest.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh give me a break, that's like telling the judge that the fine for speeding was too much because the speed limit is unfair.
You know the speed limit so you have a choice, either you obey it and everything's fine for you disobey it and you pay the penalty.
That was pathetic.

I shouldn't have attempted an analogy, because there is no analogy for eternal punishment. I was trying to express that there is no justice in eternal punishment. It will always be infinitely more punishment than what is deserved, no matter what the crime.

Does this work for you? Let's say you live your entire life without ever hearing of God, you die, and you are tortured for an eternity. Where was the justice in that?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Not once, but twice you use the atheist handbook because you have nothing else to say, no defense.
Imagine that.
What you said was so idiotic, that it didn't merit a response. If you can't do any better, I will continue to treat you in a manner befitting your senseless drivel.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No it isn't, it's based purely on conjecture, opinion and your 'gut feeling'. That's hardly evidence.
No, it's based on statistical analysis.

I tell you. That's how it works.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'm sorry that you're getting all butt hurt over this, but that's your downfall, not mine.
I'm fine.

Try a little harder next time.
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“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620532 Apr 29, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

A confirmation bias is like a filter. When new information comes in, a confirmation bias influences you to elevate the quality you perceive in information that confirms your bias, and suppress the quality you perceive in information that contradicts your bias.
I know what a confirmation bias is, but thanks.

I say you use confirmatory bias because you do. Not only do you favor the evidence that supports your hypothesis/theory/belief that there are No deities, but you misrepresent the opposing evidence or even the people that argue in favor of the side you oppose.
All it takes is a lack of confirmation bias, and rational skepticism, to reject all god claims.
Your claim isn't exactly clear. If you're claiming that atheists have a confirmation bias, you'll have to tell me what you think it is, because I don't know. Make sure you specify if your claim applies to all atheists, most atheists, some atheists, or specific atheists.
But you have a confirmation bias, Tide. Why can't you see that?

Theists are immoral. Theists deny evolution. Hitler was a theist. Theists donít understand science. Theists donít understand atheists... Etc.

Your misrepresentations are many because of your preexisting confirmation biases.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620533 Apr 29, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

Once a person has faith in their religion, and builds a system of beliefs in their mind, they have a confirmation bias, so all the learning they do will likely support their beliefs, unless they can discard their faith. Once faith is discarded, and the confirmation is gone, you can objectively evaluate, or learn in earnest.
Uh huh....

It goes both ways, man.

Once a person has believes religion is false, and builds a system of beliefs in their mind, they have a confirmation bias, so all the learning they do will likely support their beliefs, unless they can discard their faith.

Some people's minds are so entrenched in their belief that there is no God, nothing will change their mind. Even if God Himself *poofed* in next to you, you'd probably call it a hallucination or alien invasion or something.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620534 Apr 29, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
Does this work for you? Let's say you live your entire life without ever hearing of God, you die, and you are tortured for an eternity. Where was the justice in that?
That's your biblical ignorance and your confirmation bias talking...

The Bible says God will judge all people righteously. There will be a stricter judgment for people that have rejected Jesus than those who have never heard of Him.

Paul tells us that those who have never heard of the law are not attributed to sin under the law.

The people who have never heard of the law are judged by the law of God which He has placed into their hearts:

Romans 2:14-16

14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.
16 This will take place on the day when God judges peopleís secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620535 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

No it isn't, it's based purely on conjecture, opinion and your 'gut feeling'. That's hardly evidence.
Tide with Beach wrote:

No, it's based on statistical analysis.
I tell you. That's how it works.
Is it? Because you 'told me'?

What statistical analyses have you done on God?

What data have you collected on God, how was it interpreted, who did the collecting and how was it organized?

If you're gonna make that kind of claim, "it's based on statistical analysis", Ima hold your feet to the fire....

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#620536 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I know what a confirmation bias is, but thanks.
Oh?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I say you use confirmatory bias because you do.
Where? When?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Not only do you favor the evidence that supports your hypothesis/theory/belief that there are No deities, but you misrepresent the opposing evidence or even the people that argue in favor of the side you oppose.
Says you. I say you're wrong. You present no argument, so why should I?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
But you have a confirmation bias, Tide. Why can't you see that?
You're telling me that I have a confirmation bias, yet you can't identify it.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Theists are immoral. Theists deny evolution. Hitler was a theist. Theists donít understand science. Theists donít understand atheists... Etc.
How ironic. Your next statement here applies to what you just did.

Those are not my positions, dolt.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Your misrepresentations are many because of your preexisting confirmation biases.
My opinions are rationally derived.

Why can't you accept that?

Is it too uncomfortable?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#620537 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Uh huh....
It goes both ways, man.
Once a person has believes religion is false, and builds a system of beliefs in their mind, they have a confirmation bias, so all the learning they do will likely support their beliefs, unless they can discard their faith.
It does not go both ways, man.

Lacking a belief, or even rejecting a belief, is not the same as adopting a belief. No faith is required. No bias is required. Only skepticism is required.

You're just childishly turning my arguments around against me.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Some people's minds are so entrenched in their belief that there is no God, nothing will change their mind. Even if God Himself *poofed* in next to you, you'd probably call it a hallucination or alien invasion or something.
I would entertain countless possible explanations, in any scenario, before believing an impossible explanation.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#620538 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
That's your biblical ignorance and your confirmation bias talking...
Or yours.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The Bible says God will judge all people righteously. There will be a stricter judgment for people that have rejected Jesus than those who have never heard of Him.
Paul tells us that those who have never heard of the law are not attributed to sin under the law.
The people who have never heard of the law are judged by the law of God which He has placed into their hearts:
Romans 2:14-16
14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.
16 This will take place on the day when God judges peopleís secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Is this an argument that the God character never tortures a single person for an eternity? It doesn't look like it.

Eternal punishment negates justice, love, and mercy.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#620539 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Is it? Because you 'told me'?
What statistical analyses have you done on God?
None.

I said my opinion on gods is based on statistical analysis.

My conclusion regarding your specific god, that you call God, is based on the Bible and logic. I didn't need a statistical analysis for that one.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What data have you collected on God, how was it interpreted, who did the collecting and how was it organized?
If you're gonna make that kind of claim, "it's based on statistical analysis", Ima hold your feet to the fire....
Well, it would help if you got it right.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#620540 Apr 29, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Or yours.
<quoted text>
Is this an argument that the God character never tortures a single person for an eternity? It doesn't look like it.
Eternal punishment negates justice, love, and mercy.
"The doctrine of eternal punishment is in perfect harmony with the savagery of the men who made the orthodox creeds. It is in harmony with torture, with flaying alive, and with burnings. The men who burned their fellow-men for a moment, believed that God would burn his enemies forever."ó Robert Green Ingersoll, "Crumbling Creeds."

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#620541 Apr 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The doctrine of eternal punishment is in perfect harmony with the savagery of the men who made the orthodox creeds. It is in harmony with torture, with flaying alive, and with burnings. The men who burned their fellow-men for a moment, believed that God would burn his enemies forever."ó Robert Green Ingersoll, "Crumbling Creeds."
We can only think that we no longer can even come close to understanding how savage men were 4,000 years ago, with little recourse of punishment of crimes by men who caught others in crimes
and with little justice in the world. I suppose they needed to instill some kind of fear in men to stop him from being the savages, we know he can be even now. Look at how the world would be today with little chance or your being caught in crimes by fingerprints, DNA, video, and little to no long range communications, communication even over short range limited,
no knowledge of blood types no microscopes no technology to thwart crime.

Even today men knowing these things can become a savage monster with little care of consequences.

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