Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#620249 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
Look- you are the one who used the word "rude" to describe what you think is rudeness in babies and you also said that babies have to be taught/trained to not be rude.
So here you are- back pedaling again.
NOW you say not "literally" and NOW you say they have no concept of rudeness- the very same thing you ORIGINALLY said they have to be taught not to be- rude.
You misunderstand. <SHOCKER>

Babies don't know what rude means, but they do act rude without even knowing it. YOu have to train them not to be.
So just what are you starting at the age of 6 months old in "training" babies to behave a certain way?
And it is not a fact that the sooner you start "training" them the better persons they will turn out to be.
I started training my sons as soon as I could, just a few months old. I'm a diligent dad.
There are plenty of people in this world who were neglected by their parents, abused by their parents, not raised well or with love, concern or care who turned out to be GREAT people.
There are also plenty of people in this world who came from great family lives, stability, loving parents, strict parents, diligent parents who turned out to be not great at all.
Who are all these "many people"?
At any rate, you've made many ignorant remarks on this particular topic; you like to "crow" that you are a parent, yet you tripped yourself up by having originally stated that it's okay to spank a 6 month old baby in order to teach them a lesson and to teach them not to be rude.
That is what you have been claiming all along and as recently as this morning:

[QUOTE] Post #620217:
OCB wrote:
"RR- you stated that it's okay to spank a 6 month old baby if they are interrupting Mommy and Daddy's quiet dinner by crying for no discernible reason- other than your interpretation that they are being "manipulative".
So if you never spanked a 6 month old baby for crying, just why DID you spank a 6 month old baby?"
You responded:
"I've never had to do that, it was an example.
But in that example, spamming (sic) the kid wasn't about his crying, it was about teaching a lesson and to learn how to not be rude."
And I know you meant "spanking" and not "spamming".
So you most certainly did say "how not to be rude" yet in this post to which I am responding you NOW say "No, you don't literally teach a baby how not to be rude. They have no concept of it."
So you really don't know WHAT the hell you're saying in your desperate and pathetic attempt to try and justify spanking a 6 month old baby.
And if spanking them isn't about their crying, what "lesson" would the baby need to be taught and how does spanking them teach them ANY lesson and all the more when no lesson to be learned exists if spanking them isn't about their crying???
What are you doing? You want a "GOTCHA" post?

I stand behind what I posted. It's never too early to start training your child.
You're a TRAIN WRECK, RR!
Oh, well you're a rainbow.
But do keep insisting that spanking a 6 month old BABY is perfectly acceptable, normal, natural and even the right thing to do.
I will.
And keeping posting your moronic links- many of which were simply blogs- to defend your very warped and perverse position which speaks of anything BUT good parenting skills.
Yale is a blog?

huh...
And yeah- I already KNOW I am on here today much more than I said I would be or planned to be- but plans change so due to a delay in my plans, I have some time to kill.
I don't care - I ain't keeping score like you are. Post all you want.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620250 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
THAT is a double negative.
To say: That does not mean that you are not ignorant is NOT a double negative.
A triple negative? Nice.
Rush

Columbus, NE

#620251 Apr 27, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
How can a baby learn to early to be on their own? A child needs support, they need the parents to support them so they can grow, and in their own time they will be able to learn to be on their own.
You know punchline(LL's new name from me) Getting child rearing advise from you is like marriage advise from a priest. Just because you have seen it, it don't mean anything unless you have lived it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620252 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
About your kids- given how lacking in respect and kindness you are- it is very easy for me to think that their respect and kindness simply comes from within or that they learned it elsewhere.
Nothing more obnoxious than a parent who continually pats themselves on the back and walks around trying to give the impression that their children are not only perfect, but are perfect due to how the parents raised them.
Try giving your kids some credit on their OWN, RR- maybe they're good kids simply because that IS their nature.
Of COURSE you would think that way, you've never raised children.

I've raised children for a collective 30 years.

I know their 'nature' and I know their 'training'. their nature is to fight with each other, be stinky, not go to school, etc. I have to correct that nature in them and TEACH them.

You DO NOT understand. You can't.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620253 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Of COURSE you would think that way, you've never raised children.
I've raised children for a collective 30 years.
I know their 'nature' and I know their 'training'. their nature is to fight with each other, be stinky, not go to school, etc. I have to correct that nature in them and TEACH them.
You DO NOT understand. You can't.
Really....
Ummm....you seem to think that is how all kids are.....
And you would be wrong of course, if you do think that.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620254 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
A triple negative? Nice.
What is not nice is that you don't know what a double negative is, but you think you do, so you think you are correcting errors in what I write despite that they are errors which do not exist.

AGAIN:

Here is a double negative:

I don't have nothing.

Here is another double negative.

I don't have none.

Need more? Really, RR- you're great when it comes to googling when it suits your agenda- I would think 47 year old man would be interested enough to google to find out what defines a double negative.
Bartholomew Oglethorpe

Euless, TX

#620255 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That's probably why God denied you children.
Thank God you don't!
What a nut you are. What a disgusting thing to write. What a terrible parent you must be, married to Topix as you are. You are disgusting.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620256 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You misunderstand. <SHOCKER>
Babies don't know what rude means, but they do act rude without even knowing it. YOu have to train them not to be.
<quoted text>
I started training my sons as soon as I could, just a few months old. I'm a diligent dad.
<quoted text>
Who are all these "many people"?
<quoted text>
What are you doing? You want a "GOTCHA" post?
I stand behind what I posted. It's never too early to start training your child.
<quoted text>
Oh, well you're a rainbow.
<quoted text>
I will.
<quoted text>
Yale is a blog?
huh...
<quoted text>
I don't care - I ain't keeping score like you are. Post all you want.
What a bunch of blowhard nonsense.

A baby crying is not a baby being "rude".

A baby fussing is not a baby being "rude".

That you would attribute the characteristic of rudeness to a 6 month old baby only further serves to confirm just how warped and perverse you are.

I didn't say ALL of your sources were blogs and if you could read, you would know that.

I said MOST of them were blogs- or maybe I said SOME of them were blogs- but I sure didn't say they were ALL blogs.

Who are these many people? Obviously you're more insulated and isolated than I originally thought.

Thanks- I will post all I want- but quite a change of tune for you from a week or so ago when you dug out posts of mine from 3 years ago and tried to make an issue out of how much I post which as I then had to explain to you AGAIN is FAR less than how much you post.

No surprise that you changed your tune on this....you also tried to change your tune regarding spanking 6 month old babies and the reasons why they should be/need to be spanked.

'K- this distraction of Topix to kill some time has come to a close- gonna go live my life now.

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

Since: Jan 11

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#620257 Apr 27, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
Something from nothing is exactly what happens with virtual particles.

And, in general, I'm pretty sure that the more massive the particle, the shorter it's lifespan.

They happen in pairs. A particle and an antiparticle and they come from...nothing.
From "nothing" aye? Well you sound pretty confident. Where's your proof? Your buddy tim already admitted that he believes they can't come from nothing (only a moron would believe something could come from nothing).

How does science define "nothing"? And more importantly, what is the mechanism by which something comes from nothing? Kinda like 'awareness from non-awareness'. Oh and what is the experimental method by which we can even determine with any certainty that we have isolated "nothing"?

It takes more faith for you to believe that BS than it does for someone to believe in "God". Yet you make fun of people tat do believe in a higher power.

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

Since: Jan 11

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#620258 Apr 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
You're full of shit point blank. I'm telling you the view from neuroscience. You have brought garbage and rode a single concept into the ground and cannot even say how this could possibly effect your being, nor describe it. I can see you are exactly what you are saying here. Good riddance go annoy another forum with your complete utter bullshit.
How does any of this explain how awareness can come from non-awareness?
Saying consciousness is quantum is the equivalent of saying there's a god causing it.
Saying 'awareness came from non-awareness' is like saying magic is causing it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620259 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>You delusional fool. No god denied me children. That was MY choice and MY decision and a totally autonomous one at that.
I bet that's how you have sex, too. Autonomously.

<monotone> ooh baby oh baby ya do it like that hmmm

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620260 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Sure it does. Of course, as you have no understanding or even interest in how being a Jew is about MUCH more than religion and greatly encompasses culture and heritage as well, I'm not surprised you would say someone who is a Jew as well as a Deist doesn't exist.
Last time- I was born INTO the Jewish religion. I was raised very non-religiously and any emphasis on being Jewish was placed on it from a cultural level in that I was taught quite a lot about Jewish culture,Jewish cultural traditions and Jewish cultural lore.
My beliefs about a god are much more closely aligned to that of Deism than any other organized religion and frankly, I don't lump Deism in with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or Islamism or any other organized religion.
Anyway, it is simply your myopic thinking and tunnel vision which cause you to make such ignorant statements- that someone who is Jew and a Deist doesn't exist.
It's okay that you're ignorant about all that Judaism stands for and encompasses; it would be even more okay if you would admit to that ignorance.
HA HA!

For the last time the is the last time I'm gonna tell you it's the last time.

O_o

Jewish is a religion, not a race. Give it up.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620261 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Really....
Ummm....you seem to think that is how all kids are.....
And you would be wrong of course, if you do think that.
Nope, I was talking about my two sons...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620262 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Really....
Ummm....you seem to think that is how all kids are.....
And you would be wrong of course, if you do think that.
But you seem to know that ALL babies are stupid and that NO baby know anything and that NO baby can be trained....

Even though you've never raised a child on your own...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620263 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>What is not nice is that you don't know what a double negative is, but you think you do, so you think you are correcting errors in what I write despite that they are errors which do not exist.
AGAIN:
Here is a double negative:
I don't have nothing.
Here is another double negative.
I don't have none.
Need more? Really, RR- you're great when it comes to googling when it suits your agenda- I would think 47 year old man would be interested enough to google to find out what defines a double negative.
Thanks, Mrs Teacher.

May I interject?

A double is a writing form using two negatives to express a positive, like the examples you gave.

However, "That does not mean that you are not ignorant" is also a double negative. You used two "nots" when you shouldn't have. The correct sentence would be "That means you are ignorant".

You're welcome.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620264 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
A baby crying is not a baby being "rude".
A baby fussing is not a baby being "rude".
Thanks for the words of wsdom, mom.

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

Since: Jan 11

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#620265 Apr 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
Neither was "life" a propery of molecules prior to life, but now it is. Do I need to prove how life arose from non living matter to make observations on current life "count?" Is it wrong to assume that molecules are associated with life until we have a proof of how abiogenisis occured?
No one is arguing that molecules are not associated with life. We are waiting for you to give us an indication of how molecules could ever become aware of themselves. You'd think I'd get tired of typing tat but I'm not. You wanna keep avoiding it then I got fingers.
And again, I do not know how molecules became aware of themselves - I have suggested several ways that this could have happened, but that's besides the point.
No it isn't besides the point and no you haven't suggested anything because it is unapproachable. Please direct me to proof of your claim. All you have is association. And since that's your only "evidence" then I can use it too, as evidence that awareness may have quantum roots. I actually have more evidence since, as I've said so many times, the quantum state is more fundamental than the molecular state.
When I say "observations" on the correlation between molecules and consciousness, I mean that we have a brain that "lights up" when we think. That's not a gap, that is a simple observation.
So how is this "lighting up" providing us with any insight as to how molecules could ever become aware of themselves?
The mirror test is not meant to give us an understanding of the subjective experience of another being, as I already said. It is meant to determine whether or not it experiences itself as a distinct "I" in the first place.
This is so besides the point, but for the record, it can be meant to determine anything just that we cannot make any real conclusions from it yet, at least as far as the actual subjective experience of any particular animal.
It means that it can observe and react to it's environment. That does not mean it has a sense of self. There is a distinction here that I think you are missing. It can think, that does not mean it can "think about thinking," or think about the "I" inside their head.
And yet again you commit the same oversight. I'm not saying you are wrong; I'm saying you cannot know you are right.

And as far as awareness from non-awareness, you can't even venture a guess.'Association' of molecules with 'life that displays awareness' is not evidence of any mechanism by which awareness could come from non-awareness.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#620266 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
I said MOST of them were blogs- or maybe I said SOME of them were blogs- but I sure didn't say they were ALL blogs.
You said: "And keeping posting your moronic links- many of which were simply blogs-"

So what I posted from Yale was either a moronic link or a blog.

nice.
OCB

United States

#620267 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
HA HA!
For the last time the is the last time I'm gonna tell you it's the last time.
O_o
Jewish is a religion, not a race. Give it up.
LOL! YOU telling ME that Jewish is not a race- I know that better than you do.

But a unique culture or unique traditions has nothing to do with race and you really are ignorant if that's what you think.

But your ignorance about many things is well known so continue doing what you do best- staying as ignorant as you are.

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

Since: Jan 11

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#620268 Apr 27, 2013
I have this giant set of legos. I never thought of them as "conscious" or "aware". I was haphazardly putting them together, off and on through the years, and one time they came out in the shape of what looked like a long double helix. And then, I blinked, and there were two of them, then four, then eight, and by the next day, it was moving about my living room. I tried to catch it but it kept running away as if it knew what was going on.

People keep asking me what the mechanism is but I saw it with my own eyes. Why won't anyone believe me?

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