Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#620232 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Amazing- you have a "job" during the week that is of so little consequence or importance that you're on Topix all week long and they need you to work on the weekends as well??
How much "nothing" can a person do in a week's time? Your job is obviously a joke and not much of a job at all.
Okay....so your sons are asleep- your wife and all of your animals are asleep too???
I guess it doesn't matter if you really are at work, but given how much time you are on Topix during the week, it would actually make sense for your employer to CUT your hours- not increase them.
Then again, I have trouble believing 99.99% of what you say about anything and everything anyway, so.....whatever.
You don't believe me?!?

Oh no!

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620233 Apr 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not giving you advice, I am telling you that babies do not think like adults. You are projecting all sorts of behaviors and emotions on to them. It's absurd that you actually think your baby saw you getting ready to go out, then chose that time to "manipulate you by crying for "no reason." For what reason? To spoil your dinner? Because it was jealous it wasn't getting attention and you guys were having fun? That's not how they think. Their actions are based on avoiding punishment. If they do something, no matter *why* they do it (ignoring the fact that babies do not consciously think 'I need to burp, time to cry), they will fear repeating that action if they are punished for it.
Please- look who you're talking to- someone who thinks a 6 month old baby has any conception of rudeness and that a 6 month old baby can be taught to not be rude despite a 6 month old baby not being able to conceptualize what rudeness is, and even if they could, spanking a baby to teach them not to be rude is moronic.

And of course, RR thinks that if a 6 month old baby is crying for no reason, they are simply being "rude"- as in his example of a 6 month old baby crying and disturbing Mommy and Daddy's quiet dinner.

I have never in my life heard ANYONE accuse a 6 month old baby of being "rude". He might as well claim that 6 month old babies are also capable of being sarcastic and any number of other human traits that 6 month old babies are simply not developed enough to possess.

But hey- since RR is a parent, he thinks he knows all about babies, all about parenting and all about good parenting.

He keeps demonstrating that he knows nothing about any of the above other than on the most basic and rudimentary of levels.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#620234 Apr 27, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
You willfully ignore any science that refutes your beliefs.
I always look for possible flaws in the science I trust.
Do you ever look for possible flaws in the bible you trust?
Yes, as far as how this world come about i do. Reason being,(i) have found my evidence. I am satisfied and at peace with my belief.

And thats good, i believe every person should examine the methods/history of what they believe in. I could be wrong, but isnt the dateing method GTS in which they use ''is the core foundation'' to evolution?

Oh yes, i have questioned it in the begining and sought out flaws, and have found none that would change my mind. Do i fully understand the Bible? No. I have asked myself, well is they possibly something been left out that was important, and the answer is no. The most important ''message'' in the Bible is there, and thats how to recieve Eternal life through Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#620235 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You've got about as much assumption and arrogance as OCB does.
When I call her a "Jeweist" that has nothing to do with jewelry.
She says she is a deist but she also says she is a born Jew. It's kind of a joke.
I don't expect you to understand.
Don't make silly claims. Sociopaths will say they are just trying to joke about something, when not at all what they said was the context of what they tried to pretend they were joking about.

You said "even for a jeweist". That implies jeweists are dumb. Just accept God hates you for being against the Jews.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620236 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you don't literally teach a baby how not to be rude. They have no concept of it.
But you gotta start sometime. The younger you start training them, the better person they'll turn out to be.
It's because of people like you that don't discipline your children that we hear about all these "monster teenagers".
My boys are teens and they're very respectful and kind.
As a non-parent, you're ignorant about raising kids.
I can't stand your use of the word "train" for children, but whatever.

RR, I posted the following quote at least twice now- what is true today was just as true thousands of years ago.

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. "
-Socrates

http://quotationsbook.com/quote/44998/#sthash...

And this....

“Do not train a child to learn by force or harshness; but direct them to it by what amuses their minds, so that you may be better able to discover with accuracy the peculiar bent of the genius of each.”

-Plato

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/do_not_train_...

That your sons are respectful and kind does not necessarily have to do with how you are raising them.

While it's often true that the apple does not fall far from the tree, in your son's case, they may have very well rolled out of harm's way all on their own.

And really- if they are respectful and kind they certainly weren't taught that by you since you are really neither.

Again- that you are a parent does not mean that YOU are not ignorant about raising kids.

I think having a loaded gun in the bedroom of your teenage sons is incredibly ignorant as well as incredibly irresponsible and quite potentially dangerous and lethal.
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#620237 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't compare dogs to children, I compared training dogs to training infants, you know the kind that don't speak?
Oh wait, no you don't know.
Whatever dude, I don't beat my dogs. Never have, never will.
And just like beating a dog makes them angry during training, beating an infant will make them troubled.

Typical of a sociopath to use an excuse that "I was refering to this, not that". What's the different between whether we are talking about infants or older children? Still the same applied, you are just desperate.
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#620238 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing, I wasn't saying babies shouldn't want to be held. I was saying a baby needs to learn to be on their own, sometimes they feel the need too much that they want to be held - so much that when mom puts them down, they cry. Everytime. Children need to learn to be on the parent's terms, not the parents on the child's terms.
<quoted text>
Sometimes they do. It depends on the sitiuation. If the kid is out of control and won't listen to you......well...
<quoted text>
Absolutely. I agree.
How can a baby learn to early to be on their own? A child needs support, they need the parents to support them so they can grow, and in their own time they will be able to learn to be on their own.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620239 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
I can't stand your use of the word "train" for children, but whatever.
That's probably why God denied you children.

Thank God you don't!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620240 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:

That your sons are respectful and kind does not necessarily have to do with how you are raising them.
While it's often true that the apple does not fall far from the tree, in your son's case, they may have very well rolled out of harm's way all on their own.
And really- if they are respectful and kind they certainly weren't taught that by you since you are really neither.
I'm sure you'd think them being kind and respectful is thanks to 'nature'....
Again- that you are a parent does not mean that YOU are not ignorant about raising kids.
Nice double negative.
I think having a loaded gun in the bedroom of your teenage sons is incredibly ignorant as well as incredibly irresponsible and quite potentially dangerous and lethal.
That's great. You had a thought!

Congratulations!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620241 Apr 27, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:

And just like beating a dog makes them angry during training, beating an infant will make them troubled.
I agree. That's why I don't beat my kids or my dogs.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620242 Apr 27, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
How can a baby learn to early to be on their own? A child needs support, they need the parents to support them so they can grow, and in their own time they will be able to learn to be on their own.
Have you ever watched a baby learn to walk?

No?

It's absolutely fascinating how much they learn on their own.

I suppose you'd wanna harness them to ceiling or stand right behind them in case they fall on their butt...?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620243 Apr 27, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't make silly claims. Sociopaths will say they are just trying to joke about something, when not at all what they said was the context of what they tried to pretend they were joking about.
You said "even for a jeweist". That implies jeweists are dumb. Just accept God hates you for being against the Jews.
Jeweist = Jewish Deist, something that does not exist.

Moron.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620244 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you don't literally teach a baby how not to be rude. They have no concept of it.
But you gotta start sometime. The younger you start training them, the better person they'll turn out to be.
It's because of people like you that don't discipline your children that we hear about all these "monster teenagers".
My boys are teens and they're very respectful and kind.
As a non-parent, you're ignorant about raising kids.
Look- you are the one who used the word "rude" to describe what you think is rudeness in babies and you also said that babies have to be taught/trained to not be rude.

So here you are- back pedaling again.

NOW you say not "literally" and NOW you say they have no concept of rudeness- the very same thing you ORIGINALLY said they have to be taught not to be- rude.

So just what are you starting at the age of 6 months old in "training" babies to behave a certain way?

And it is not a fact that the sooner you start "training" them the better persons they will turn out to be.

There are plenty of people in this world who were neglected by their parents, abused by their parents, not raised well or with love, concern or care who turned out to be GREAT people.

There are also plenty of people in this world who came from great family lives, stability, loving parents, strict parents, diligent parents who turned out to be not great at all.

At any rate, you've made many ignorant remarks on this particular topic; you like to "crow" that you are a parent, yet you tripped yourself up by having originally stated that it's okay to spank a 6 month old baby in order to teach them a lesson and to teach them not to be rude.

That is what you have been claiming all along and as recently as this morning:

Post #620217:

OCB wrote:

"RR- you stated that it's okay to spank a 6 month old baby if they are interrupting Mommy and Daddy's quiet dinner by crying for no discernible reason- other than your interpretation that they are being "manipulative".
So if you never spanked a 6 month old baby for crying, just why DID you spank a 6 month old baby?"

You responded:

"I've never had to do that, it was an example.

But in that example, spamming (sic) the kid wasn't about his crying, it was about teaching a lesson and to learn how to not be rude."

And I know you meant "spanking" and not "spamming".

So you most certainly did say "how not to be rude" yet in this post to which I am responding you NOW say "No, you don't literally teach a baby how not to be rude. They have no concept of it."

So you really don't know WHAT the hell you're saying in your desperate and pathetic attempt to try and justify spanking a 6 month old baby.

And if spanking them isn't about their crying, what "lesson" would the baby need to be taught and how does spanking them teach them ANY lesson and all the more when no lesson to be learned exists if spanking them isn't about their crying???

You're a TRAIN WRECK, RR!

But do keep insisting that spanking a 6 month old BABY is perfectly acceptable, normal, natural and even the right thing to do.

And keeping posting your moronic links- many of which were simply blogs- to defend your very warped and perverse position which speaks of anything BUT good parenting skills.

And yeah- I already KNOW I am on here today much more than I said I would be or planned to be- but plans change so due to a delay in my plans, I have some time to kill.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620245 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure you'd think them being kind and respectful is thanks to 'nature'....
<quoted text>
Nice double negative.
<quoted text>
That's great. You had a thought!
Congratulations!
Sigh.....that is NOT a double negative.

Here is an example of a double negative:

I don't have nothing.

THAT is a double negative.

To say: That does not mean that you are not ignorant is NOT a double negative.

Don't EVER try to correct my spelling, grammar or punctuation; you will be on the losing end of that every single time, RR.

About your kids- given how lacking in respect and kindness you are- it is very easy for me to think that their respect and kindness simply comes from within or that they learned it elsewhere.

Nothing more obnoxious than a parent who continually pats themselves on the back and walks around trying to give the impression that their children are not only perfect, but are perfect due to how the parents raised them.

Try giving your kids some credit on their OWN, RR- maybe they're good kids simply because that IS their nature.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620246 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That's probably why God denied you children.
Thank God you don't!
You delusional fool. No god denied me children. That was MY choice and MY decision and a totally autonomous one at that.

And why I do not have children is not only none of your business, it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

But I have to question why your god would allow YOU to have children given how heinous it truly is to hit a 6 month old baby; why would your god allow someone with such warped thinking to have children is simply further evidence that your god doesn't exist unless your god really is the monster he so often comes across as in the bible.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#620247 Apr 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Jeweist = Jewish Deist, something that does not exist.
Moron.
Sure it does. Of course, as you have no understanding or even interest in how being a Jew is about MUCH more than religion and greatly encompasses culture and heritage as well, I'm not surprised you would say someone who is a Jew as well as a Deist doesn't exist.

Last time- I was born INTO the Jewish religion. I was raised very non-religiously and any emphasis on being Jewish was placed on it from a cultural level in that I was taught quite a lot about Jewish culture,Jewish cultural traditions and Jewish cultural lore.

My beliefs about a god are much more closely aligned to that of Deism than any other organized religion and frankly, I don't lump Deism in with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or Islamism or any other organized religion.

Anyway, it is simply your myopic thinking and tunnel vision which cause you to make such ignorant statements- that someone who is Jew and a Deist doesn't exist.

It's okay that you're ignorant about all that Judaism stands for and encompasses; it would be even more okay if you would admit to that ignorance.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620249 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
Look- you are the one who used the word "rude" to describe what you think is rudeness in babies and you also said that babies have to be taught/trained to not be rude.
So here you are- back pedaling again.
NOW you say not "literally" and NOW you say they have no concept of rudeness- the very same thing you ORIGINALLY said they have to be taught not to be- rude.
You misunderstand. <SHOCKER>

Babies don't know what rude means, but they do act rude without even knowing it. YOu have to train them not to be.
So just what are you starting at the age of 6 months old in "training" babies to behave a certain way?
And it is not a fact that the sooner you start "training" them the better persons they will turn out to be.
I started training my sons as soon as I could, just a few months old. I'm a diligent dad.
There are plenty of people in this world who were neglected by their parents, abused by their parents, not raised well or with love, concern or care who turned out to be GREAT people.
There are also plenty of people in this world who came from great family lives, stability, loving parents, strict parents, diligent parents who turned out to be not great at all.
Who are all these "many people"?
At any rate, you've made many ignorant remarks on this particular topic; you like to "crow" that you are a parent, yet you tripped yourself up by having originally stated that it's okay to spank a 6 month old baby in order to teach them a lesson and to teach them not to be rude.
That is what you have been claiming all along and as recently as this morning:

[QUOTE] Post #620217:
OCB wrote:
"RR- you stated that it's okay to spank a 6 month old baby if they are interrupting Mommy and Daddy's quiet dinner by crying for no discernible reason- other than your interpretation that they are being "manipulative".
So if you never spanked a 6 month old baby for crying, just why DID you spank a 6 month old baby?"
You responded:
"I've never had to do that, it was an example.
But in that example, spamming (sic) the kid wasn't about his crying, it was about teaching a lesson and to learn how to not be rude."
And I know you meant "spanking" and not "spamming".
So you most certainly did say "how not to be rude" yet in this post to which I am responding you NOW say "No, you don't literally teach a baby how not to be rude. They have no concept of it."
So you really don't know WHAT the hell you're saying in your desperate and pathetic attempt to try and justify spanking a 6 month old baby.
And if spanking them isn't about their crying, what "lesson" would the baby need to be taught and how does spanking them teach them ANY lesson and all the more when no lesson to be learned exists if spanking them isn't about their crying???
What are you doing? You want a "GOTCHA" post?

I stand behind what I posted. It's never too early to start training your child.
You're a TRAIN WRECK, RR!
Oh, well you're a rainbow.
But do keep insisting that spanking a 6 month old BABY is perfectly acceptable, normal, natural and even the right thing to do.
I will.
And keeping posting your moronic links- many of which were simply blogs- to defend your very warped and perverse position which speaks of anything BUT good parenting skills.
Yale is a blog?

huh...
And yeah- I already KNOW I am on here today much more than I said I would be or planned to be- but plans change so due to a delay in my plans, I have some time to kill.
I don't care - I ain't keeping score like you are. Post all you want.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620250 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
THAT is a double negative.
To say: That does not mean that you are not ignorant is NOT a double negative.
A triple negative? Nice.
Rush

Columbus, NE

#620251 Apr 27, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
How can a baby learn to early to be on their own? A child needs support, they need the parents to support them so they can grow, and in their own time they will be able to learn to be on their own.
You know punchline(LL's new name from me) Getting child rearing advise from you is like marriage advise from a priest. Just because you have seen it, it don't mean anything unless you have lived it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#620252 Apr 27, 2013
OCB wrote:
About your kids- given how lacking in respect and kindness you are- it is very easy for me to think that their respect and kindness simply comes from within or that they learned it elsewhere.
Nothing more obnoxious than a parent who continually pats themselves on the back and walks around trying to give the impression that their children are not only perfect, but are perfect due to how the parents raised them.
Try giving your kids some credit on their OWN, RR- maybe they're good kids simply because that IS their nature.
Of COURSE you would think that way, you've never raised children.

I've raised children for a collective 30 years.

I know their 'nature' and I know their 'training'. their nature is to fight with each other, be stinky, not go to school, etc. I have to correct that nature in them and TEACH them.

You DO NOT understand. You can't.

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