Anon

Lakewood, OH

#619699 Apr 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, I know. I'd kill myself.
Being THAT close to your neighbors has got to be disturbing.
How much space do you require, since the majority of your waking hours are spent on Topix?

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#619700 Apr 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I would say you speak complete bullshit.
Quantum events are rare in a humans physical world.
Do you fill your car with quantum gas, and push the quantum accelerator? Go home to your quantum house in the quantum suburbs
and get in the quantum shower? There is no evidence it takes quanta packets to think. If you had anything I mean any type evidence other than conjecture and belief to base this on it might mean something. It's about like saying martians use strontium fuel in their spaceships. Oh really so tell us how this explains anything and how you detected the quantum parameters of consciousness.
Dipsh*t, quantum events are eternally happening, every nanosecond of every day. Every single bit of matter that makes up the human body starts with a quantum foundation. Why do you keep asking me to show evidence when I am not making a claim that my speculation is any more probable than yours? You are the one making that kind of claim, but won't explain how groups of molecules could ever become aware of themselves. If you want to keep seeing me type those words then keep posting bullsh*t after bullsh*t like you're doing.

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#619701 Apr 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
RR wrote:
I ask you why. What's the symbolic meaning of the four animals? What biblical meaning does it have and how does it match up with what Jesus said?
If you care at all, you'll research it to find an honest answer instead of atheist drivel.
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Yes RR I did.
You asked another poster if they understand, I interjected.
But since you are only here to argue and not provide any substance to the thread, I figured your question, bait for your argument - you are ignorant of understanding the meaning of the vision "John" wrote about.
Did that help clarify?
No, it doesn't.

I was trying to force him to think about what he was mistaken about regarding Ezekiel's dream.

Then you turned it around and claimed that I don't know what I'm talking about even though I made no insinuations, I only asked questions.

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#619702 Apr 25, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Religion has damaged you badly.
Yes, you've claimed that....

Several times....

But you've yet to offer an explanation on your opinion...

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#619703 Apr 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Quantum events are rare in a humans physical world
That's the dipsh*t quote of the day. You don't even realize how stupid that makes you look. You obviously don't understand the material that you google. The quantum world is eternally active. So much so that 'absolute zero' may not be attainable, that is if it is defined as a total absence of any motion. And it's not even possible to determine a total lack of motion because detection has limits; we have no idea what the limits of reality are.

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#619704 Apr 25, 2013
Anon wrote:
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How much space do you require, since the majority of your waking hours are spent on Topix?
Are they?

Hmmm... I've been awake for over 9 hours so far today and have spend maybe one hour on Topix. MAYBE one...

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#619705 Apr 25, 2013
Most definitions of 'absolute zero' include the following :
"A system at absolute zero still possesses quantum mechanical zero-point energy, the energy of its ground state. The kinetic energy of the ground state cannot be removed".

Oooh, energy cannot be removed. Meaning it is eternal. Meaning that the quantum state is eternally active, but Aura says quantum events are rare in certain circumstances.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#619706 Apr 25, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Dipsh*t, quantum events are eternally happening, every nanosecond of every day. Every single bit of matter that makes up the human body starts with a quantum foundation. Why do you keep asking me to show evidence when I am not making a claim that my speculation is any more probable than yours? You are the one making that kind of claim, but won't explain how groups of molecules could ever become aware of themselves. If you want to keep seeing me type those words then keep posting bullsh*t after bullsh*t like you're doing.
Ok Pokay now verify the quantum events that occurred relevant to you explaining anything that happened to you today.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#619707 Apr 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, "rational" thinking is like wild guessing?
It IS easy....
Let's see....
You have no proof that you're a woman so I'm gonna assume you're a hermaphrodite.
No, rational thinking is not taking someone's word for it, this one you failed on. A rational thought is "there is no evidence it is true therefore I will not accept what is stated until evidence is presented," but this time you didn't not take someone's word for it, you either made up the answer or took the word of someone who has just as little evidence. A correct rational thought is "you have no evidence you are a woman, therefore I will not base any judgments on it until such evidence is presented." Calling something a myth when no evidence is presented is the same thing.

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#619708 Apr 25, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>That's the dipsh*t quote of the day. You don't even realize how stupid that makes you look. You obviously don't understand the material that you google. The quantum world is eternally active. So much so that 'absolute zero' may not be attainable, that is if it is defined as a total absence of any motion. And it's not even possible to determine a total lack of motion because detection has limits; we have no idea what the limits of reality are.
This a piss poor excuse to not identify anything Pokay. Sure we can all take the day off and not do anything because it a quantum day. Yes there is quantum but for the quantum to work in the macro it must have an effect that is visible in the macro. Particles do not skip right from the visible world straight to the quantum "except in very special cases" and then there is a very visible effect that defies explanation. In all cases even if the quantum is evoked there is an visible effect in the macro that signals, For instance electrical energy may move in quanta packets , but that isn't relevant to explaining how the light bulb lights by throwing the switch.

I think it is the same way with the brain and consciousness, and there is no reason to say it doe, zero evidence. Only speculation out of ignorance,and that will never answer anything.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#619709 Apr 25, 2013
Pokay wrote:
Most definitions of 'absolute zero' include the following :
"A system at absolute zero still possesses quantum mechanical zero-point energy, the energy of its ground state. The kinetic energy of the ground state cannot be removed".
Oooh, energy cannot be removed. Meaning it is eternal. Meaning that the quantum state is eternally active, but Aura says quantum events are rare in certain circumstances.
Did you know that the net energy of the universe is zero? Did you also know that when one particle becomes more excited all the particles in the universe respond by decreasing, all of them, not just a few. Now chew on that one a bit.

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#619710 Apr 25, 2013
Here a religious person mirrors my same thoughts on the subject Pokay.

Consciousness and Biological Evolution

If all creatures are conscious in some way or other, then consciousness is not something that evolved with human beings, or with primates, mammals or any other particular degree of biological evolution. It has always existed. What emerged over the course of evolution were the various qualities and dimensions of conscious experience -- the contents of consciousness.

The first simple organisms -- bacteria and algae -- having no senses, were aware in only the most rudimentary way: no form, no structure, just the vaguest glimmer of awareness. Their picture of the world is nothing but an extremely dim smudge of colour -- virtually nothing, compared to the richness and detail of human experience.

When multicellular organisms evolved, so did this sensing capacity. Cells emerged that specialized in sensing light, vibration, pressure, or changes in chemistry. These cells formed sensory organs, and as they developed, the ability to take in information increased. Eyes are not only sensitive to light; they react differently to different frequencies, and can tell from which direction the light is coming. The faintest smudge of the bacterium's experience had begun to take on different hues and shapes. Forms had begun to emerge on the canvas of consciousness.

Nervous systems evolved, processing this data and distributing it to other parts of the organism. Before long, the flow of information required a central processing system, and with it a more integrated picture of the world appeared. As brains evolved, new features were added to consciousness. With reptiles the limbic system appeared, an area of the brain associated with emotion. Feeling had been added.

In birds and mammals the nervous system grew yet more complex, developing a cortex around it. With the cortex came other new abilities. A dog chasing a cat around a corner holds some image in its mind of the cat it can no longer see. Creatures with a cortex have memory and recognition; they can pay attention and show intention.

With primates the cortex grew into the larger, more complex neo-cortex, adding yet more features to consciousness. The most significant of these was the ability to use symbols. Not only did this ability enable simple reasoning, it also led to a new form of communication -- symbolic language.

Chimpanzees and gorillas may not be able to speak as we do, but this is not because they lack something in their brains; they lack a voice. They have no larynx, or voice-box, and cannot move their tongues as freely as we can. But they can use other forms of symbolic language. When taught sign language, such as that used by the deaf, they show a remarkable ability to communicate. Coco, a gorilla in California, now has a vocabulary of more than a thousand words, and composes sentences in sign language.

http://www.peterrussell.com/SCG/EoC.php

So call me stupid, but my stupidity must be popular, aside from pure religious garbage it is hard to get anyone to tough this subject , AND I SEE WHY!

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#619711 Apr 25, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Again, fortunately, you're not a person whose opinion of me matters even a little.
i guess the only logical question should be; why then do you feel the need to engage me?:)

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#619712 Apr 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, rational thinking is not taking someone's word for it, this one you failed on. A rational thought is "there is no evidence it is true therefore I will not accept what is stated until evidence is presented," but this time you didn't not take someone's word for it, you either made up the answer or took the word of someone who has just as little evidence. A correct rational thought is "you have no evidence you are a woman, therefore I will not base any judgments on it until such evidence is presented." Calling something a myth when no evidence is presented is the same thing.
Evidence of absence fallacy.

A baker never fails to put finished pies on the windowsill, so if there is no pie on the windowsill, then no finished pies exist.

Basically, you're saying your opinion matters more than anything else.

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#619713 Apr 25, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>If that is what you consider to be psychobabble, you are using a term you are not at all familiar with.
BTW, that post was NOT addressed to you, so that you made the choice to read it is your problem, not mine.
Anyway.....the point is that you BELIEVE there is a god- "your" god to be specific.....and no one is disputing that you believe that.
The issue is that you have stated you KNOW there is a god, yet you are unable to provide any proof of what you claim is factual.
Genesis 1:1 NIV - The Beginning - In the beginning God ...
The Beginning - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/&#8203;... ;...- Cached
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Now look around. See how easy that was.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619714 Apr 25, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>Genesis 1:1 NIV - The Beginning - In the beginning God ...
The Beginning - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/&#8203;... ;...- Cached
More results from biblegateway.com
Now look around. See how easy that was.
Nothing like using a book of faith- unproven to be fact- to try to demonstrate fact.

It's hilarious.

I submit to you that Santa Claus exists and is real because it SAYS so in "The Night Before Christmas".

See how easy that was?

BTW, thanks ever so much for quoting the first line of Genesis- gee- I'd never heard that before!

<MAJOR eye roll here.....>

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#619715 Apr 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Evidence of absence fallacy.
A baker never fails to put finished pies on the windowsill, so if there is no pie on the windowsill, then no finished pies exist.
Basically, you're saying your opinion matters more than anything else.
Um, no, incorrect on your use of the word "fallacy." An absence of evidence fallacy would be to state, as you said in the pie example. A rational thought would be "there may not be a finished pie, without evidence I cannot assume there is a finished pie." Are you seriously this naive on matters of logic? You are failing very important nuances to how logic works, it's not binary, and, like all things in existence, it's not dichotomous.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#619716 Apr 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, it doesn't.
I was trying to force him to think about what he was mistaken about regarding Ezekiel's dream.
Then you turned it around and claimed that I don't know what I'm talking about even though I made no insinuations, I only asked questions.
Why even ask the questions if you knew the answers, huh?

Like I said, your posts have all along shown you haven't a clue on what you speak about - but sure enough will ask others to prove theirs.

IMO - you are ignorant of Christianity - as most of what you have posted has been debunked.

Maybe you should start posting facts, of what you do know, instead of asking others to post them. Let's see how much actually do know.

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#619717 Apr 25, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing like using a book of faith- unproven to be fact- to try to demonstrate fact.
It's hilarious.
I submit to you that Santa Claus exists and is real because it SAYS so in "The Night Before Christmas".
See how easy that was?
BTW, thanks ever so much for quoting the first line of Genesis- gee- I'd never heard that before!
<MAJOR eye roll here.....>
The night before Christmas is wrong.

"'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house, not a creature was stirring not even a mouse"

What, does the author think that everybody lives in a house?

What about all the city folks?

“Ditat Deus”

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#619718 Apr 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um, no, incorrect on your use of the word "fallacy." An absence of evidence fallacy would be to state, as you said in the pie example.
Yes, like you said; "I have seen no evidence for God so I can deduce that there is no God."

Absence of evidence fallacy. Or perhaps 'absence of evidence illogic'.
A rational thought would be "there may not be a finished pie, without evidence I cannot assume there is a finished pie." Are you seriously this naive on matters of logic? You are failing very important nuances to how logic works, it's not binary, and, like all things in existence, it's not dichotomous.
You really have the nerve to ask me if I don't understand this logic?

In that example, just because you don't see a pie on the windowsill doesn't mean that the Baker didn't make a pie. That is a logical, and that is how you "rationalize" it.

I guess if the freethinkers taught you how to freethink right then you would freethink that there is no pie, as long as the freethought was done by your own freethinking.

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