Prove there's a god.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619933 Apr 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No I wasn't.
Unless you consider 'out for dinner' at home....
This is what I mean that you don't read posts to understand, you only read to argue.
No- your first post about this was about Mommy and Daddy having a quiet dinner AT HOME.

I am SICK to death of that Swiss cheese slice of a brain of yours with more memory gaps than Carter has little liver pills.

Maybe I'll look for your original post. If I do, that will give you yet ANOTHER excuse to attempt your piss poor back pedaling.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#619934 Apr 26, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>No- he was talking about Mommy and Daddy having a nice quiet dinner at home.

RR refuses to grasp- or is incapable of grasping- that he is trying to impose a sense of responsibility and accountability on those too young to grasp THAT- such as 6 month old babies.
In that case, if the kid is clean and fed, and you're reasonably sure they're not ill or in pain, put them in their crib.

That way, they can learn that crying won't always get them attention for attention's sake.

I've got to admit that my kids got a few smacks when they were older-old enough to communicate with. I always provided ample warning and gave them the opportunity to correct whatever they were doing on their own. And I always considered it a last resort and a failure on my part.

On numerous occasions, I had to take my screaming daughter out of the grocery store and sit her in the car while I stood outside and waited for her to scream herself out. And there were times I had to make them both stand against a case or wall in the store, more than arms' length apart and not move because they were horsing around and getting in other people's way.

It's very important for two parents to be on pretty much the same page when it comes to rearing kids. If you're not, kids are smart enough to pit one against the other.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#619935 Apr 26, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Even in the quantum world, nothing is known to pop in and out of existence. That is how it is occasionally referred to, but what they mean is that these virtual particles become detectable and vice versa. Because by definition, something cannot come from nothing, meaning that something cannot pop into existence from a state of non-existence (nothingness), it must just be changing forms into something detectable. Get it? Or are you gonna tell me that 'something from nothing' makes sense or is a plausible speculation without any evidence to support that speculation?

Your couch may not be a wave function as a whole but it is made up of wave functions.
Something from nothing is exactly what happens with virtual particles.

And, in general, I'm pretty sure that the more massive the particle, the shorter it's lifespan.

They happen in pairs. A particle and an antiparticle and they come from...nothing.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619936 Apr 26, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
In that case, if the kid is clean and fed, and you're reasonably sure they're not ill or in pain, put them in their crib.
That way, they can learn that crying won't always get them attention for attention's sake.
I've got to admit that my kids got a few smacks when they were older-old enough to communicate with. I always provided ample warning and gave them the opportunity to correct whatever they were doing on their own. And I always considered it a last resort and a failure on my part.
On numerous occasions, I had to take my screaming daughter out of the grocery store and sit her in the car while I stood outside and waited for her to scream herself out. And there were times I had to make them both stand against a case or wall in the store, more than arms' length apart and not move because they were horsing around and getting in other people's way.
It's very important for two parents to be on pretty much the same page when it comes to rearing kids. If you're not, kids are smart enough to pit one against the other.
You warned your kids of what the consequences would be if they did not stop behaving poorly.

While I really don't advocate ever hitting kids unless what the kid is doing is potentially life threatening, if one is going to hit their kids, it shouldn't be done unless the kids are old enough to understand they will be spanked for misbehaving.

As I know you know, there is NO way for a 6 month old baby to comprehend that.

RR insists differently. RR is wrong.

And RR also considers hitting his kids- including 6 month old babies- to be a SUCCESS on his part.

And the other forms of discipline and punishment you mention here are all perfectly acceptable, logical and reasonable.

It is very rare that the same can ever be said of using physical force as a form of discipline and punishment.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#619937 Apr 26, 2013
OCB wrote:
Hitting a baby is intended to cause pain and possibly injury- if not physical injury, then psychological injury.
pfft.... "psychological injury".... You're such a pussy liberal.
You are too ignorant to grasp that you can't discipline one who has no concept of what discipline is.
ME?! You're the one that has NEVER raised a child telling me that you "can't discipline" a baby.

Sheesh!
As far as what the intention is....well, the road to HELL is paved with "good intentions", RR.
And gee- do tell me how one explains to a 6 month old baby that they're not intending to harm the baby, just intending to discipline them.
See? More ignorance....

Do tell, please.

What is it you can talk to a 6 month old about?
You LIKE violence, RR- and I told you that long before I knew you liked to hit 6 month old babies.
Violence has nothing to do with disciplining a child.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#619938 Apr 26, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Here ya go, RR......
"It is a fact that the U.S.’s Child Abuse is the worst in First World. From BBC News by Michael Petit,“More than 20,000 American children are believed to have been killed in their own homes by family members in the last 10 years, nearly four times the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. A BBC investigation finds that the United States has the worst child-abuse record of all the industrialized nations. Every week, 66 children under 15 die from physical abuse or neglect in the First World, 27 of them in the U.S. Experts say teen pregnancy, high-school dropout rates, violent crime, imprisonment, and poverty are generally much higher in the United States.”
It is also a fact that the U.S. is the most religious country in the First World. According to several surveys on religion, 83 percent of Americans claim to belong to a religious denomination. How can these two facts simultaneously exist in the same country?
Well here’s a clue: Using violence to raise a child has long-term consequences; a point made in this article “Spanking and the Making of a Violent Society” by Murray A. Straus in the Journal of Pediatrics,“The United States (US) is the most violent of the advanced industrial societies. The current US homicide rate of 8.5 per 100 000 is three times the Canadian rate of 2.3 per 100 000, and about eight times the rate of Western European countries.”
This excerpt on Alternet.org from an article titled “Beating Babies in the Name of Jesus,” illustrates my point.“There is a brutal movement in America that legitimizes child abuse in the name of God. Two stories recently converged to make us pay attention. Last week, a video went viral of a Texas judge brutally whipping his disabled daughter. And on Monday, the New York Times published a story about child deaths in homes that have embraced the teachings of To Train Up a Child, a book by Christian preacher Michael Pearl that advocates using a switch on children as young as six months old.”
http://thebigslice.org/spanking-babies-for-go...
I'm not advocating child abuse, not at all.

I'm advocating discipline.

Besides, why would I listen to a "Dr" that wrote a book called "Beating The Devil Out of Them: Corporal Punishment In American Families" ?!

With a title like that, he obviously has a skewed agenda.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#619939 Apr 26, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>i prefer to be friends!

are you 'diverse' enough to accept my differences and agree to disagree amiably?:) i am, as most all of my family and closest friends don't believe the same as i and therefore they don't understand where i'm coming from:)
Only if you can stop being a judgemental ass.

Stop trying to deny established science.

Stop coming across as being superior.

Stop asserting what you don't know as fact.

Stop making claims without supporting evidence.

Otherwise, I'm not interested.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#619940 Apr 26, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Touche!
Well done- KUDOS!
"We'll done"??

O_o

You know that he's supporting my notion of how ridiculous it is to take sex advice from a virgin and likening it to taking parental advice from a non-parent(you)?

HA HA HA!!!

And you agree!

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#619941 Apr 26, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>
And.....
"Hitting is wrong. To hit someone is a violent thing to do. Violence is a thing one person does to make another person hurt. With children we do not want to do things that hurt or harm them. We want to be firm and consistent, yet kind and gentle... not harsh. We want to be tender, merciful and compassionate.
There is no situation that changes the act of hitting someone from a wrong thing into a right thing. There is no excuse that magically turns hurting someone on purpose into a kind or merciful thing. This is confusing, though, isn't it? Defending ourselves from physical attack (one of few examples) might be less wrong than the physical attack itself. But the law sets a limit for this rare sort of situation. The law limits a physical defense that involves hitting someone to interrupting only or ending only the attack upon the physical safety of a person.
The laws that also allow the physical punishment of children do not magically make hitting a child a better 'wrong' thing to do or the 'lesser of two bad things'. They only allow it. They state that parental physical aggression is not illegal. But hitting children is not tender or compassionate treatment. Hitting children is not better than treating them in ways that do not hurt. It does not model the way we want our children to act. Some day our society will be kinder, gentler and less violent when we all stop hitting children.
To stop hitting children will mean, by the very extermination of the practice, that we will be less violent.
Of course, most of us do not say to our children, "hitting is right" or "hitting is a good thing to do." We do not really believe that it is a good thing to hit people. Most of us deny that we are 'in favor' of hitting children. However, most of us also behave as if it is a good thing to do. Most of us are in favor of spanking and physical punishment. And the law attempts to make a physical attack on a child's body a thing that is all right to do.
The way a spanking looks and feels must be confusing for children. How can they tell what it means? Parents are their example of what is right and good. Parents' behavior is their example of what love looks and feels like. Hitting a child seems to say that it is all right to hit people... even loved ones. When a person wants to control others, it must be okay to hit them, spanking seems to say.
There is no obligation or duty to hit children. No one of us can show that anything bad happens if we do not hit children. No one can show that children become less well behaved if we do not hit them.
When people think of not hitting children, however, they often feel afraid and uncertain. What do they fear? Are they just uncomfortable with the unknown or the untried? Do they just doubt what they have not yet experienced? They do not really know that anything bad will happen. It is enough for them, it seems, that they believe that something bad will happen. Since people usually do not really think about many of their beliefs, it is hard to use reason to help them to be unafraid."
http://www.neverhitachild.org/
Huh....

"Never hit a child" advice from neverhitachild.org ?

That's like "the bible is evil" advice from evilbible.com

LOL, you can guess what advice you're gonna get...

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#619942 Apr 26, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>And....
"Spanking is a euphemism for hitting.
One is not permitted to hit one's spouse or a stranger; these actions are considered domestic violence and/or assault.
Nor should one be permitted to hit a smaller and even more vulnerable child.
Huh...

Is it illegal for your husband to smack your ass?

No?

Odd...

When there's a peaceful purpose behind it, it's OK.

But I know, as a liberal you want everything to be illegal and gub'ment enforced.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#619943 Apr 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I have two sons and 9 nieces and nephews.
Safe to say I've discovered it first hand.
You haven't.
Largelanguage wrote:

Explain how you learnt it first hand.
Um.... Because I have two sons and 9 nieces and nephews.....
You never spent time with them, you are a liar.
Yes I have, tons of time. You're lying.
Or you really don't have kids.
Well then who are those teenagers eating all that food and smelling of B.O.?
When a kid screams and cries when you take away his toy, it is because he wants you to play, he is upset, that is why he is crying, he is not crying to manipulate you.
And at some point a parent needs to take charge.

It's bedtime, no more toys!, for example.
Maybe you are just so insecure you want to even resist babies crying because you are worried they might be taking advantage of you.
As a parent, I got real used to kids crying - you kinda learn to zone it out.

As a non-parent, I don't expect you to understand.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#619944 Apr 26, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>nano's the whole package; smart, holy and HOT - the frig'n girl's got it all!
Yeah.

She's a real sweetheart.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619945 Apr 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>

Violence has nothing to do with disciplining a child.
Edited for moronic and nonsensical rambling....

Right- I agree. Then why do you use violence to discipline children?

RR, call it whatever you like- ANY form of hitting IS a form of PHYSICAL violence.

You could be ARRESTED for even just lightly slapping an adult or a stranger or a child who is not your own.

But because our laws don't prevent parents from striking their children that makes it perfectly okay with you, huh?

RR, you LIKE to beat into submission those who are smaller and weaker than you and because you are SO small and SO weak, the only ones you can't beat on are babies and dogs.

And I don't mean small and weak in the physical sense, but in the psychological sense in that you are a very small, very weak and very sorry excuse for a man.

REAL man do NOT hit- EVER.

ENOUGH on this already- it's grown as tiresome as your repeated bleating of "prove you have hands".

You like to use physical force against those weaker and smaller than you.

PERIOD. End of story.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#619946 Apr 26, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Only if you can stop being a judgemental ass.
Stop trying to deny established science.
Stop coming across as being superior.
Stop asserting what you don't know as fact.
Stop making claims without supporting evidence.
Otherwise, I'm not interested.
in other words, you'll only accept me if i conform to your way of thinking. sorry, but history has proven that it's much too dangerous for me to subject myself to your fascist form of control.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619947 Apr 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh...
Is it illegal for your husband to smack your ass?
No?
Odd...
When there's a peaceful purpose behind it, it's OK.
But I know, as a liberal you want everything to be illegal and gub'ment enforced.
I could have him charged with physical abuse for that. The laws protect adults from any sort of physical force or violence.

If he smacks my ass without my consent or if he bruises me, he could be arrested for that.

Too bad small children don't have that same legal recourse.

Hell NO I do NOT want everything to be illegal- not by a LONG shot, so take that dopey ASSumption and shove it.......

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619948 Apr 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh....
"Never hit a child" advice from neverhitachild.org ?
That's like "the bible is evil" advice from evilbible.com
LOL, you can guess what advice you're gonna get...
Or using the bible to prove god.....

And how "conveniently" you didn't post any responses to the other sources I cited.

AGAIN- being MARRIED does not make one an EXPERT on marriage or qualified to give marital advice- just as being a PARENT does not make on and EXPERT on parenting or qualified to give parenting advice.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619949 Apr 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
pfft.... "psychological injury".... You're such a pussy liberal.
<quoted text>
ME?! You're the one that has NEVER raised a child telling me that you "can't discipline" a baby.
Sheesh!
<quoted text>
See? More ignorance....
Do tell, please.
What is it you can talk to a 6 month old about?
<quoted text>
Violence has nothing to do with disciplining a child.
Oops!

RR, you LIKE to beat into submission those who are smaller and weaker than you and because you are SO small and SO weak, the only ones you **CAN** beat on are babies and dogs.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619950 Apr 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I have two sons and 9 nieces and nephews.
Safe to say I've discovered it first hand.
You haven't.
<quoted text>
Um.... Because I have two sons and 9 nieces and nephews.....
<quoted text>
Yes I have, tons of time. You're lying.
<quoted text>
Well then who are those teenagers eating all that food and smelling of B.O.?
<quoted text>
And at some point a parent needs to take charge.
It's bedtime, no more toys!, for example.
<quoted text>
As a parent, I got real used to kids crying - you kinda learn to zone it out.
As a non-parent, I don't expect you to understand.
So if you learn to "zone it out" why do you resort to hitting?

BTW, I have quite the passel of nieces and nephews myself- many of whom I spent a LOT of time helping to raise when they were babies and young children.

I'll BET I've changed more diapers in MY life than you ever have in yours.

And that's just for starters......

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619951 Apr 26, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
in other words, you'll only accept me if i conform to your way of thinking. sorry, but history has proven that it's much too dangerous for me to subject myself to your fascist form of control.
As opposed to the bible god's fascist form of control.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619952 Apr 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"We'll done"??
O_o
You know that he's supporting my notion of how ridiculous it is to take sex advice from a virgin and likening it to taking parental advice from a non-parent(you)?
HA HA HA!!!
And you agree!
Oh man- and here I thought that was a 747 flying over your pointy little head.

He was making the point that it's perfectly acceptable for priests to give marriage counseling, so why wouldn't it be perfectly acceptable for someone who never had kids to have valid opinions on child-rearing?

DAMN! You are SO obtuse!!!

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