Prove there's a god.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619450 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Eye gnu dat.
:-D

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#619451 Apr 24, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not "gambling my soul" on anything, first of all. I don't understand why a god would choose to punish someone for following the evidence rather than following a bronze age book of mythology.
Well God wont and doesnt punish you just for following your evidence. God punish sin, and the simple fact you reject his Son.
Second, my "hope" doesn't "lie in this concept." That doesn't make any sense. I don't view life as a roulette wheel, with the goal being to pick the "best" beliefs in the hope that it gets me into heaven. In this context (how the universe began), I only care about the evidence. My "soul" does not hinge on what I choose to believe. If you have any evidence that I am wrong, share it.
Case being, as far as you know there isnt a God correct? As you know the outcome of an unbelievers fate.. Well, that being said ''if you'' were to die today/tonight then your hope was not in Christ. Your hope was in this world and the things of this world. So yes you are playing russian roulette.. btw, isnt but one way to heaven!
Third, I didn't "come up with" any of this. I was relaying to you, in simple terms, one explanation for how the universe might have began, if it did have a beginning. Unfortunately, you are so dense that even this extreme simplification went flying over your head. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean "goddidit."
Yes, and you hold that belief firmly. MY point , is you guys will NEVER get the evidence you all seek from under a microscope, math problems,measure of space time and matter.. YES, knowledge is good, man should learn all he can.. But knowledge will only take you so far..

NO, not dence as you.. just have a lot more commom sence then you..

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619452 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It's "disgraceful" that soldiers kill other soldiers while at war??
What's a disgrace is that you're an American.
What is a disgrace is that you don't think war is a sin and what is also a disgrace is that you think people can't find war to be a disgrace in order to qualify as an American.

You're a sick little man.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619453 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, I'm sorry. I forgot.
You can't prove you have hands **UNLESS** I come visit you.
Well I can't prove God unless you come visit me.
You come visit me- I show you my hands.

I come visit you- how and where do you show me your god?

And....as I've said, I would be happy to send you a pic, but I know you won't take my word for it that the pic is of me- complete with my hands.

And while pics can't be sent by PM thru Topix, you could always send me your email addy.

But you won't.....that's because you've become so embroiled in your own nonsense- prove you have hands- that you're just getting stuck deeper and deeper into the mire.

Your "analogy" has been shown time and time again for the pile of nonsensical crap that it is, yet in true buffoonery fashion, you refuse to LET IT GO.

So yes- RR, I can provide proof that I have hands.

Whether on Topix, the internet at large, pictures, skyping, in-person meetings or in any other way- you can NOT prove the existence of ANY god.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#619454 Apr 24, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>God is "in the lead?" Really? Where's the evidence for his existence?
God, as described by your religion, is magic. I am very open minded, but I am not willing to "seek the truth" about a being whose existence I cannot confirm, let alone even find a shred of evidence for. What makes your god special compared to zeus? What's the difference?
Did you really just say that every scientific question can only be answered by god? Really? Then stop using your computer. Ask god to let you connect to the internet. Stop using gps. Ask god to give you directions the next time you take a trip. And on, and on, and on.
Thats your choice,, by all means persue your theories and hopes in the science world...

No point in discussing my God with you, you are not seeking God..

Everything science has was ''loaned and borrowed remember??? And they got that from GOD...

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#619455 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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These things cannot logically exist in the same being at the same time.
There is no mystical understanding involved.
And, BTW, the glass is always full.
It's either got water, air, or both.
Unless its in a perfect vacuum.
Then it's full of virtual particles.
My point exactly Aero. Just when someone (even me) is sure that they have it figured out, another theory or solution comes about that may not have been considered or thought about before such as two things or more that may not logically exist to us based on our knowledge up to the point before that revelation.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#619456 Apr 24, 2013
* can you say "run on sentence".?

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#619457 Apr 24, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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heck, he thinks murder and killing are two different actions.....
They are different.

To murder is to unlawfully take a life.

To kill is to take a life.(doesn't mean illegally)

RiversideRedneck

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#619458 Apr 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Too bad I'm not an Atheist, huh? Bummer for them?
I don't think what you say is the case.
But who really knows, right?
Not until we die.......so we wait patiently.
True words, my friend.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#619459 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Disowned him for what?
And what morals are you referring to?
I simply stay silent, like a good little atheist.
I'm not suggesting you stay quiet.

I'm suggesting you open up with them.

If they love you, they won't care if you're atheist or not.

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

Since: Jan 11

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#619460 Apr 24, 2013
timn17 wrote:

Do you like... intentionally misrepresent everything that I say?
No, that's what *you* do because you have no way of defending yourself properly.
I specifically said that the nature of the self is not something that is testable, just that it is possible to get an idea whether or not a certain animal has a sense of self in the first place. I think that a lot of your confusion comes from the fact that you conflate consciousness with sense of self - they are not the same thing.
If they are not the same thing then kindly give us your definition of 'consciousness' and of 'sense of self'. And then explain to me why it matters, when we are talking about 'awareness coming into being' from a state of non-awareness.

So if you admit the nature of self is not testable then that means you cannot explain how awareness ever came into being which means you cannot claim that it is more probable that awareness comes from organized groups of molecules rather than from the quantum matter/energy that makes up those molecules. End of story. What more can you argue about? There should be no argument here except that, in your battle against the idea of an eternal consciousness or "God", there are no rules of etiquette or sportsmanship.

BTW, Just because a cat can't reason and thinks it's own reflection is another cat doesn't mean it has no 'sense of self'. When an object comes hurling at the cat, the cat will move out of the way. Why? Because the cat is aware of itself. Duhhh.

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#619461 Apr 24, 2013
timn17 wrote:


If you can't explain how awareness came into being then you can't explain consciousness. Oh, but tim and Aura can. They can..........KMA.
Just like if you can't explain why or how gravity exists then you can't even begin to describe gravity. Oh wait.
How's is this a pertinent answer to 'how awareness came into being'?

And just because we know mass is associated with gravity we can't say that mass causes gravity because we don't know the fundamental cause or mechanism of gravity. Same with awareness. Just because molecules are a part of the organism that displays awareness doesn't mean that molecules are the cause, especially when the quantum state is more fundamental than the molecular state.

You have no way of approaching the question of how awareness came into being, so KMA.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#619462 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I really shouldn't need to.
And if you can't understand it just by reading it, I'm sure I won't be able to explain it to you.
Or...
You're just lying again.
If you can't explain yourself, or just refuse to, I'll just keep assuming that you're full of shit.

RiversideRedneck

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#619463 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Like the Big Bang can't be tested.
The Big Bang theory can be tested, sure. It's just a theory.

The Big Bang event cannot be tested.

RiversideRedneck

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#619464 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Giving you the right to take somebody else's?
What?!

RiversideRedneck

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#619465 Apr 24, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>HILARIOUS that you think people in ORLANDO are "city folk".
Hilarious.
Yup. Imagine what I think about New Yorkers....

I bet you can spit on your neighbors house from your porch, huh?

RiversideRedneck

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#619466 Apr 24, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Listen- you're sick to think that a 6 month old BABY has a tantrum (as you call it) to upset mommy and daddy's dinner plans.
Really, RR- that you couldn't handle an infant who was wailing for no discernible reason means you HIT a BABY.
Babies CRY, RR- and often for no reason that one can detect- they're not hungry, their diapers don't need changing, they're warm, etc. They might just want to be held. Or they could be teething. Or maybe coming down with a cold.
Babies CRY. Your solution is to HIT a 6 month old BABY because you think that baby has "plotted" to destroy mommy and daddy's evening because the baby doesn't think he/she is getting enough attention?
You are SO totally whacked.
That entire post was bullshit assumptions.

And totally wrong.

Of COURSE you'd check the baby's diaper, see if they're hungry, sick, teething, etc.

Which is why in my hypothetical question to you, I wrote that the baby's throwing a tantrum for 'no reason'....

Ugh

And no, "HITTING" a baby isn't right, spanking them is.

RiversideRedneck

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#619467 Apr 24, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>What is a disgrace is that you don't think war is a sin and what is also a disgrace is that you think people can't find war to be a disgrace in order to qualify as an American.
You're a sick little man.
Dumb ass.

War is an act of nations or states, not individuals.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#619468 Apr 24, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>You come visit me- I show you my hands.
I come visit you- how and where do you show me your god?
And....as I've said, I would be happy to send you a pic, but I know you won't take my word for it that the pic is of me- complete with my hands.
And while pics can't be sent by PM thru Topix, you could always send me your email addy.
But you won't.....that's because you've become so embroiled in your own nonsense- prove you have hands- that you're just getting stuck deeper and deeper into the mire.
Your "analogy" has been shown time and time again for the pile of nonsensical crap that it is, yet in true buffoonery fashion, you refuse to LET IT GO.
So yes- RR, I can provide proof that I have hands.
Whether on Topix, the internet at large, pictures, skyping, in-person meetings or in any other way- you can NOT prove the existence of ANY god.
You can't show me your hands, I'm blind. Hold them up all you want, won't do no good.

I have to show you God, I can't explain it on Topix.

Come to Riverside.

(I dare not write "I'll come cost you".......)

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#619469 Apr 24, 2013
When I am on my death bed, I still won't seriously consider that "God" assumes a name (like "Jehovah" or "Allah"), but I bet most atheists will break down and consider that there might be some sort of higher power/consciousness, and will quickly humble themselves. But maybe too late to make a difference.....in the "direction" their conscious energy is allowed to take, after the transition of "death".

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