Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#619205 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Then we have no choice.
No, again:

"God knows what the outcome will be, both if we choose his destiny for us or if we choose our own way"

You have a choice.

Just because God knows what you're gonna do doesn't mean He's controlling what you do.

If you know the words of a song, does that mean you control the song?

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619206 Apr 24, 2013
“I’m a radical! I’m a real extremist. I don’t want to impeach judges. I want to impale them!”
—Michael Schwartz, chief of staff to Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK), in 2004

“To those who say Ted Bundy should burn forever in eternity I would only say, so should I, so should all of us…“
—Focus on the Family head James Dobson, who videotaped and marketed jail-house conversions of serial killers Ted Bundy and “Son of Sam” Berkowitz.

“Kids today are looking for something to die for… If you give them something to die for, they’ll go to the edge of the earth for you.”
—James Dobson’s son Ryan, in 2005. His book, 2Die4 : The Dangerous Truth About Following Christ advocates “murderous war because our enemies are deadly.”

“This Christmas I want you to do the most loving thing and I want you to buy each of your children an SKS rifle and 500 rounds of ammunition.”
—A speaker at the 1995 convention of the U.S. Taxpayers Party. A few months later, Dobson endorsed their candidate for president, Howard Phillips.

“Gandhi: Ninny of the 20th Century.”
—The title of Ralph Reed’s article on Mohandas K. Gandhi in the University of Georgia student newspaper. Then president of the College Republican National Association, Reed lost his column at the paper when the article turned out to be plagiarized.

“Too much of anything, even a good thing, may prove to be our undoing…[We] need ...to set definite boundaries on our appetites.”
—Neoconservative William Bennett in his 1996 The Book of Virtues. He was later found to have a gambling addiction that cost him some $8 million.

“Let’s acknowledge that America’s increasing decadence is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. When we tolerate trash on television, permit pornography to invade our homes via the Internet, and allow babies to be killed at the point of birth, we are inflaming radical Islam.”
—Charles Colson, former Nixon aide, convicted felon, and Evangelical leader whose 1996 novel Gideon’s Torch describes killing abortion doctors.

“As soon as Jesus sits on his throne he’s gonna rule the world with a rod of iron. That means he’s gonna make the ACLU do what he wants them to. That means you’re not gonna have to ask if you can pray in public school. We will live by the law of God and no other law.”
—Cornerstone Church's Rev. John Hagee, who endorsed John McCain during the 2008 presidential race.

“Our nation needs to stop doing for people what they can and should do for themselves. Self reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat.”
~Michele Bachmann, saying the unemployed should starve. Congress people get paid $1200 a day to not show up.

“I almost wish that there would be something like a simultaneous telecast and all Americans would be forced, forced — at gun point no less — to listen to every David Barton message.”~Mike Huckabee, advocating for forcing Americans at gunpoint to listen to a religious fanatic and fake historian.

Suffering, if you’re a Christian, suffering is a part of life. And it’s not a bad thing, it is an essential thing in life … There are all different ways to suffer. One way to suffer is through lack of food and shelter and there’s another way to suffer which is lack of dignity and hope and there’s all sorts of ways that people suffer and it’s not just tangible, it’s also intangible and we have to consider both.”
~Rick Santorum, saying that Americans should suffer because suffering is good

”I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that’s part of the counseling that goes on.”- Chuck Winder

“I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you… rape victims should make the best of a bad situation.” Santorum

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619207 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, again:
"God knows what the outcome will be, both if we choose his destiny for us or if we choose our own way"
You have a choice.
Just because God knows what you're gonna do doesn't mean He's controlling what you do.
If you know the words of a song, does that mean you control the song?
Christian Pretzel Logic.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619208 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Not so. Most of you are ignorant of the bible, it's people, it's history and it's historicity.
You cherry pick at your whim and make one thing seem to be another.
I'm not. Test me. You've already demonstrated your ignorance.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619209 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What are you talking about? How did you turn a political conversation into a religious conversation?
Republican Jesus finds your question curious.

Richard Mourdock (R-IN):”I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”– October 2012

Todd Akin (R-MO):“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down”- mid 2012 Senate Campaign

Roger Rivard (R-WI):”Some girls rape easy.”– October 2012

Yep, no connection.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619210 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You stated emphatically that "Omniscience, Omnipresence, Omnipotence, Omnibenevolence, Evil. These five conditions can not co-exist."
Again, is that peer reviewed, observable and repeatable? Or just your opinion?
I'll betcha it's the latter.
I already answered your question. Why are you obfuscating? I wrote a statement, I stated nothing. You can not imply emphasis on my part; that is disingenuous. Where did I claim it was peer reviewed? I am getting the distinct impression that you are cognizant that your "faith" is built on nothing more than a foundation of shifting sands and your require, silly rhetorical tricks to bolster your position. I feel for you. That is a terrible position to occupy.

Perhaps you can demonstrate, unequivocally, how those five conditions can co-exist. That would be much more enlightening than your bombastic sorcery.
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#619211 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize your assertions are nothing more than childish prattle. Is your intent to prove Christians as hypocrites, because, if not, you are failing.
I do not consider myself as a "christian". I simply believe in God. I read the Bible, and follow the truth, that is simply it,
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#619213 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>Is this Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, because you forgot the comedy. For someone who named themselves "Largelanguage" you provide everything but. Continue, though. The reason I peruse these threads is to watch Christians make fools of themselves. Thank you for providing the free entertainment.
Oh, and your mother wears Army boots to church.
I too am on this thread to bust a "christian", called Riverside redneck.
He lives an isolated life, and he abuses his own kids. The fact that he abuses his own kids is the reason I am here to pick on Riverside redneck. I know it's only an anonymous public forum, but I don't want him to get away with it, and I wish to wound him with what I post.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#619214 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely. And those corporations who fully profit from such ignorance are laughing all the way to the Cayman Islands.

The "Second Coming" disciples are wholly ignorant that dispensationalism was invented out of whole shroud by Darby in the 19th Century. If I were to adopt a dogma as an impetus for my life, I would research it thoroughly. Christians can not research the origins of their dogma because it inevitably leads to non-belief. Non-belief can be very traumatizing to those fully indoctrinated. There are resources to help.
First, they need to realize they have a problem.

And then they have to want help.

Two major hurdles.
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#619215 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>“Good Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.”~ Jerry Falwell
“Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.”~ Jerry Falwell
“How did [the Holocaust] happen? Because God allowed it to happen… because God said,‘My top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel.’”~ Rev. John Hage
“Trees cause more pollution than automobiles.”~ Ronald Reagan
“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so… what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”~ Andre Bauer
”The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.”~ Pat Robertson
“President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader scale.”~ Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, testifying before Congress
Juarez is reported to be the most dangerous city in America.”~ Rick Perry
“From time to time there are going to be things that occur that are acts of God that cannot be prevented.”~ Rick Perry, on the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, in 2010
“I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.”~ Michele Bachmann on the HPV vaccine.(It doesn’t cause mental retardation.)
“I feel the best way to ensure Americans’ freedom is to tighten restrictions on that freedom in any way possible. Only through wiretaps, illegal searches and seizures, unfettered government intrusion, a controlled media and a complete crackdown on free speech can we ensure the liberties of all people.”~ Attorney General John Ashcroft
”I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I’m not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it’s an interesting coincidence.”~ Rep. Michele Bachmann
“Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.”~ Rep. Michele Bachmann
“Capital punishment is our way of demonstrating the sanctity of life.””~ Orrin Hatch
“What people recognize is that there’s a fear that the United States is in an unstoppable decline. They see the rise of China, the rise of India, the rise of the Soviet Union and our loss militarily going forward.”
Michele Bachmann, unaware that the Soviet Union collapsed more than two decades ago
“It’s not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go.“
—Minister Mark Driscoll of the Mars Hill Church of Seattle, defending the homosexual escapades of Rev. Ted Haggard in 2006
Christian pretzel logic
With your quote from Pat Robertson about feminism, I agree. Feminism is not at all about gender equality, it is just a fascist anti male organization, misandry.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619216 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Well yes, that is a claim.
But that's all it is.
For some reason, you think Satan should be testable by humans.
Why?
Please demonstrate where the supernatural has been proven to exist.

I explained in my claim, which you so maleloquently illustrated is only a claim even though I already wrote that it was a claim (nothing gets by you, eh?), why something that is claimed to have influence on the natural world would, by definition, be testable. As Christians can be known to do, many claim that those who disagree with them, even other Christians, are tools of the Satan character. This claim would be falsifiable, testable, and repeatable or it is nothing more that ego manifestation brought by cultural conditioning.

Just to be clear, as I am cognizant of the etiology of the Satan character as described in the Bible and as described by the modern American Christian, it is quite obvious that I think such a character would be non-testable. It is hard to test what has not been demonstrated to exist and is actually demonstrably false. The claims are made that such a character has influence in the natural world, ergo testable. The same goes for whichever god or brand of the Christian god you profess to believe in. If it has influence, it is testable. Period. Emphatically.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#619217 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>Christian Pretzel Logic.
Yes I know, honey. Logic befuddles you...
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#619218 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>Republican Jesus finds your question curious.
Richard Mourdock (R-IN):”I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”– October 2012
Todd Akin (R-MO):“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down”- mid 2012 Senate Campaign
Roger Rivard (R-WI):”Some girls rape easy.”– October 2012
Yep, no connection.
You misinterpretated what Mourdock said. Mourdock was saying that, just as God plans everything, he planned the rape. The Bible says all bad turn out for the good for those who trust him, I'm assuming mourdock was speaking in that light.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#619219 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>"Anti-worm"? Haha. Auto-cowreck.
I'm very pro-worm, myself.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#619220 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>Actually there are Christian authors who point out the inaccuracies in the Bible, as well.
Bit they're heretics.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#619221 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>Republican Jesus finds your question curious.
Richard Mourdock (R-IN):”I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”– October 2012
Todd Akin (R-MO):“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down”- mid 2012 Senate Campaign
Roger Rivard (R-WI):”Some girls rape easy.”– October 2012
Yep, no connection.
Um...

O_o

Mourdock, Akin and Rivard aren't Jesus.....

Just FYI.

Would you like me to pull up some equally ridiculous democratic quotes?

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619222 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You are absolutely wrong.
Or intentionally and purposefully blind.
Yesterday I responded to the poster "Just Think" that wrote "There is no Satan."
Y'all atheists made grandiose claims all the time. And when asked to provide evidence for said claims, you get all pissy and say negatives can't be proven....
I didn't claim you had never read such a claim, did I? I wrote that I had never read such a claim. Why the need to obfuscate? Is your position that perilous that honesty eludes you?

Please illustrate one "grandiose" claim I have made. Please illustrate where I have been "pissy". Please prove a negative for me, while you are at it, and please answer this: What happened in your life that you feel the need to mischaracterize others and treat forums like a cudgel and not a place to exchange ideas?

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619223 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You don't get to define anything, OCB.
A war is not a sin because a sin is a personal act, not a national one.
LOL!!! War is not a sin??? You don't think when someone is killed in war that they don't take it "personally" and all the more when it's CIVILIANS being killed?

And who the F*CK are YOU to tell me that I don't get to define anything?

And what the hell does that mean when I asked who gets to define sin?

Next- so you don't consider someone stealing from a store or a business to be personal because they're not stealing from a specific person??

You're weird.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619224 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I know, honey. Logic befuddles you...
This from someone who doesn't even know what defines logic.

ROFFLMAO!

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619225 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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First, they need to realize they have a problem.
And then they have to want help.
Two major hurdles.
I think the biggest hurdles are the potential loss of family, the loss of the social network (which is probably the only positive aspect of religion), and the unbridled fear of divine retribution drilled into the heads of people when that are mere children and powerless to ward off the evil immorality of such a concept.

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