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#618749 Apr 21, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
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But your belief has no real evidence, so why is your choice any better?
What belief would that be?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#618750 Apr 21, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You do realize these concepts, and yes they are concepts.
Were entirely constructed by the limitations of your own capacity and fabricated in your mind, and that however these constraints were fashioned in your own mind. They do not necessarily reflect what really must happen , or indeed what really happens but in fact..... are constructs of your own device. Reality can be different.. and you do not know, these are the things we can count on.
..Had to repost this..
Everything you said to me in this post, can be directed back to you and your own concepts..
So again, what problem did you have with that analogy??? HMMM
That it was a puzzlement less any real modern scientific analysis and did not even consider nothing can exist before time, at least T=0+1 space/time matter/energy came into existence not before. There could not be a big box of nothingness before time.... is all.

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#618751 Apr 21, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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And most of em say they are open to reason and logic.. Ive yet to see any "evidence" of that.
When faced with what you have shown them, they assume the position and begin to fill in the blanks with indoctrination.
What have we been "shown?" We have been repeatedly presented with a god of the gaps argument labeled with "quantum consciousness." I am not "indoctrinated" into any belief system, like you, all I ask for is evidence. Not hand waving, not "you can't prove it's not," and not "there might be something more." I have nothing against the notion of quantum consciousness as a concept - I am thankful that I am conscious and do not care one way or the other how it is I am self aware. I just don't buy pokays assertion that "we can't make any claims whatsoever about consciousness until we understand it's underlying mechanism." I do agree with him that until we know the "how" of consciousness that we cannot know for sure whether the correlation between the brain and the conscious mind means that the brain causes the conscious mind. However, I don't agree that this correlation is meaningless until we fully understand consciousness. That's like saying that we can't acknowledge the correlation between gravity and mass until we know how gravity works.
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#618752 Apr 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What belief would that be?
Why are you asking me what your belief is, don't you know?

We got a real sharp one here...wow

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#618753 Apr 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Get out of here with your "lists" of your "evidence."
Seriously though, I think most people just naturally anthropomorphize their pets - assuming that since *they* personally have self awareness, their pet must have it too. It's an easy assumption to make. When a dog nearly explodes with happiness when you come home, it's easy to make assumptions like that.

I actually have a problem with the defining of self aware, and didn't write the list. But that is a list of is what animals people consider "self aware". I somewhat personally consider anything that
knows it is hungry and needs to eat or knows it has to use the bathroom somewhat "self aware".
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#618754 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Unless you happen to be all sciency. Actually general relativity and about all science and measurement is centered around the concept of space/time. I find it impossible to get a grip on reality without it. The measure of space and time is inescapable in science these days. You must have been born about 200 years too late?
There is no measure of space. Space is the (relationship)between set points.

Here is another fraud and an idiot.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#618755 Apr 21, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
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Oooooooooooops! Now did you really mean to say this?
"instructions of information"
That is what DNA is to us, a set of instructions. And yes I really meant to say it.
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#618756 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> That is what DNA is to us, a set of instructions. And yes I really meant to say it.
Then how do you account for the origin of these instructions?

Check Mate!

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#618757 Apr 21, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
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So you are claiming there are necessary foundations?
What would they be?
Can a rock be conscious?

That should answer your first question.

And I can only guess as to what the "foundations" of consciousness are, but as I said before, the framework for consciousness probably began with simple cells "learning" to share useful bits of information between themselves. Perhaps cells close to food would alert other nearby cells with a simple signal. Perhaps this evolved into more complex behaviors over time. I don't know.
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Redding, CA

#618758 Apr 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Can a rock be conscious?
That should answer your first question.
And I can only guess as to what the "foundations" of consciousness are, but as I said before, the framework for consciousness probably began with simple cells "learning" to share useful bits of information between themselves. Perhaps cells close to food would alert other nearby cells with a simple signal. Perhaps this evolved into more complex behaviors over time. I don't know.
Yeah, that's real funny.

Now what foundations are you claiming?

Or you just make up BS and hope you are not called out?

Found another fraud!!!

Check mate!!! Bye Bye now...

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#618759 Apr 21, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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Ummm...... I hadn't considered that.....
Speaking of government involvement....
I just found out that plastic shopping bags are banned here in Santa Cruz, Monterrey and upper Nor Cal... What a difference fro So Cal. They are also charging .25 cents per bag as a government fee...
I guess they use re usable cloth bags up here but I was thinking, couldn't fabric bags harbor dangerous bacteria if not washed? I guess they're willing to take that chance.... I guess i understand saving the seals and all but it still doesn't seem right.....
I doubt that's anything to worry about. We have to pay for bags here too in MD, or at least my part of MD. I think it's a good thing, I've cut down on using bags a lot since they started charging and many other people have too - which means a lot less plastic in the environment. It's not really the government trying to make money off the bags, it's them trying to dissuade people from using them in the first place.

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#618760 Apr 21, 2013
Sweetie-Pie wrote:
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Dear God
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =HWoTET9BgF4XX
I like the original better. Did you know it's a cover of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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#618761 Apr 21, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
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Yeah, that's real funny.
Now what foundations are you claiming?
Or you just make up BS and hope you are not called out?
Found another fraud!!!
Check mate!!! Bye Bye now...
What are you talking about? I'm not "claiming" any particular foundations - I said several times I do not know exactly how consciousness started. I think you are not understanding what is meant by foundations - consciousness had to start somewhere, and the things which led up to it's beginnings are it's "foundations." That is not a "claim" that needs defending. Stop being such a troll. Seriously. You can improve your sense of self worth by less annoying means.
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#618762 Apr 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I doubt that's anything to worry about. We have to pay for bags here too in MD, or at least my part of MD. I think it's a good thing, I've cut down on using bags a lot since they started charging and many other people have too - which means a lot less plastic in the environment. It's not really the government trying to make money off the bags, it's them trying to dissuade people from using them in the first place.
Yeah, that's real funny.

Now what foundations are you claiming?

Or you just make up BS and hope you are not called out?

Found another fraud!!!

Check mate!!! Bye Bye now...
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#618763 Apr 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I like the original better. Did you know it's a cover of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IHmTqoLjlXoXX
Yeah, that's real funny.

Now what foundations are you claiming?

Or you just make up BS and hope you are not called out?

Found another fraud!!!

Check mate!!! Bye Bye now...

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#618764 Apr 21, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
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Then how do you account for the origin of these instructions?
Check Mate!
They started out real simple, about 3.5 billion years ago. But you have to understand these instructions are like blueprints that were assembled in a chain, not like something someone drew up.
OvercomeDiversit y

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#618765 Apr 21, 2013
V for Vendetta wrote:
<quoted text>When Humanity starts it's conquest of the Universe, Traitors like you will be the first to die...
Why do you need proof that there is a God? What's the point? Would you live your life differently if you had indisputable proof? It's like asking whether there is proof that wind exists. If you were struck by lightning and lived, would you believe in God then? I doubt it. If He stood in front of you and said, I am the real deal, you would probably say you were hallucinating or having a flash-back. When you can only think with a logical mind, it is nearly impossible to believe in someone greater than us who could have no beginning or end. People in general scoff at that which they cannot comprehend. You either believe or you don't--it's a choice. I think the universe is too large for anyone to know for sure who or what "God" could possibly be. How does not believing make one's life better? To me, it's pretty depressing to believe that "man" is the best thing this universe has to offer.
I disagree so much with what you said I could write a book...
If someone said "In the name of God I heal this Limb" and I see it grow back you would definity have my attention. You Assume Atheists are close minded like Hardcore Chirstians, in most cases you could not be me wrong. Atheist mostly embrace science and if evidence shows a god or gods exist then most Atheists would take note...Remember the Supernatural is the Natural we don't understand yet...

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#618766 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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I actually have a problem with the defining of self aware, and didn't write the list. But that is a list of is what animals people consider "self aware". I somewhat personally consider anything that
knows it is hungry and needs to eat or knows it has to use the bathroom somewhat "self aware".
I was joking.

But in a way, yes, an animal that knows it's hungry would be "self aware" in a sense, but that's not really what is meant by "self awareness." It doesn't just mean "the ability to respond to internal stimuli," or even the ability to think, it means making the leap from thinking to acknowledging *yourself* as a unique individual. That's why the mirror test is so favored by those who test for animal self awareness, because it works under the assumption that an animal would only care to examine a mark on his face that wasn't there before if he understands that it is *his* face. Most animals simply ignore the test or react with fear or aggression, and even young children do not pass the mirror test.
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#618767 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> They started out real simple, about 3.5 billion years ago. But you have to understand these instructions are like blueprints that were assembled in a chain, not like something someone drew up.
Sure, sweet story, pumpkin.


Now does your theory have any empirical evidence that proves this? Cause if you don't, then what can we do with a theory that has no scientific proof?

PS. I told IANS that you need help right away...
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#618768 Apr 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What are you talking about? I'm not "claiming" any particular foundations - I said several times I do not know exactly how consciousness started. I think you are not understanding what is meant by foundations - consciousness had to start somewhere, and the things which led up to it's beginnings are it's "foundations." That is not a "claim" that needs defending. Stop being such a troll. Seriously. You can improve your sense of self worth by less annoying means.
So you have NO clue as to what you are talking about, got it!!!

What a tool.

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