Prove there's a god.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619258 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm not sure if you know it, but you ask the impossible.
"Proven” does not equate with “supernatural”.
Supernatural would mean something that is outside the known natural processes of the universe and therefore is unable to be proven.
I think you've convinced yourself that if a thing cannot be proven, it does not exist. Is that correct?
Why must you continually state the position of others instead of asking for it. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but, the claim is that your supernatural character has influence on the natural world. That would be unequivocally testable.

We can triple down on your pretzel logic:

Atheist: There is no evidence for a god or gods.

You: Prove it

Atheist: Prove that I can't prove there is no evidence for a god or gods.

Infinite regress rears its ugly head, again.

Claiming that the supernatural, by its nature, is unprovable renders it impotent. If it is untestable then it has no effect on the natural world and is therefore a useless concept. Yes, you can dismiss this with the old mysterious god meme, or that the divine master is unknowable, but, what is most curious about that is how knowable the divine master is to the billions of self-appointed spokesmodels around the world. People sure do claim to know a lot about the unknowable. You are compartmentalizing your beliefs which results in nothing more than special pleading. I trust you proffer a more jaundiced eye to the claims of car salesmen and TV pitchmen.

When there is not sufficient evidence to support a claim, the default position should be rational skepticism if the goal is to minimize the number of false beliefs and maximize the number of true beliefs one holds. A central problem of faith is that if it can form a reasonable basis for believing one proposition without evidence, why does it not also form a reasonable basis for believing a contrary proposition? By what means can faith be discerned to lead to true beliefs, when it can be used with equal effectiveness to support conflicting propositions? One cannot argue that faith claims can be rationally evaluated in any way whatsoever to demonstrate their truth, because once faith claims are rationally considered against alternative hypotheses, the claims are either no longer held in favor of an alternative claim or no longer based on faith. If I maintain that there is no strong evidence for the presence of a divine master, you probably counter that you have faith to replace evidence. Ironically, many theists have the confidence to deny the existence of fairy tale creatures from other mythologies and cultures, and deities of other religions, for which there is likewise no strong evidence. The only common thread is cultural conditioning.

Hey, I get it. No one wants to die. The dream of the ego living forever is intoxicating. What is most curious is that the dream is always culturally conditioned.

I love when William Lane Craig equates his god to a flea. That's awesome. You can see the elephant in the courtyard, but not the flea. That doesn't mean the flea doesn't exist. Haha.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#619259 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm not mischaracterizing anyone.
Lying for your own personal comfort again?

*sighs*

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#619260 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Because you Christians keep claiming he's responsible for all the bad in the world.
No we don't. We blame humans for that.

Ignorant humans that don't even know Satan is influencing them.

Satan CANNOT control you, only influence you.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619261 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, killing someone in war is not sin. Neither is killing in self defense.
Yes, a person (PERSON) stealing from a store IS sin.
Derp.
Are you a self-defined spokesmodel for the divine master? I can offer you writings from other Christians who claim war and self-defense killing are both sins. What makes you right and them wrong?

So, isn't a person declaring war? Using your pretzel logic, corporations stealing is just fine.

RiversideRedneck

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#619262 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>Strawman, but, please do.
"The only difference between the parties is with the velocity that their knees hit the ground when corporations knock on their door" - Ralph Nader
The Republican Jesus taunt escaped you, eh? No worries. It's not my fault that those quotes happened to come from Republicans. Don't let it swing your sack so much.
But, you illustrate another point. Those men are self-appointed spokesmodels for Jesus. It's an easy job. All you do is manufacture what you think your divine master would say in such a situation. It requires no evidence. It requires no justification. It's merely the parroted words of some mythical sky tyrant that has never been demonstrated to exist. It's so simple! So marvelous! So wonderful!
God said, "(Fill in the blank)"! Try it today, kids, for fun and profit!
You equate republican quotes with Christians?

Odd.

Do you assume there are no christian democrats?

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#619263 Apr 24, 2013
Jorge W Arbusto wrote:
<quoted text>Do you abuse your children?
Absolutely not. Never have, never will.

Since: Jul 09

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#619264 Apr 24, 2013
Forum wrote:
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We are living in hell.
courtesy the abrahamic faiths

RiversideRedneck

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#619265 Apr 24, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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i do not believe you
Hey look, I care.

'_'

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619266 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Jorge's gonna argue with you that it's not a real handbook or that it doesn't exist.
No wait....
Y'all never correct each other.
Never mind.
Funny, but I never made either of those claims. Why must you lie? An official atheist handbook does not exist. There is no canon blessed by Dawkins or Hitchens. I haven't been corrected because I did not make the claims you state I did. There is no OFFICIAL atheist handbook.

I can write and publish a book that is titled, Sin According to Christians Handbook". In that book, I can write that war is sin. You don't agree with that. Does the title make this book your official handbook on sin?

With each post you illustrate the need to obfuscate and prevaricate and prove the foundation for your "faith" is built on shifting, shifty sand.

RiversideRedneck

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#619267 Apr 24, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>RR will say he does not. But he has also said he spanks his children or at least used to when they were younger- they are now teenagers.
But I believe RR STILL abuses his children- he has posted here that there is a LOADED gun in the bedroom of his teenage sons.
I think hitting children is abuse and I think a loaded gun being kept in their bedroom is also abuse.
RR will vehemently state that I am wrong.
Then again, I don't imagine RR would win any "parent of the year" awards.....maybe "UNFIT parent of the year".....
I've never "hit" my kids, you liar.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619268 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Absolutely not. Never have, never will.
Good. Why was that poster making that claim? Was it utter fabrication or based on something you posted?

RiversideRedneck

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#619269 Apr 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Then we have no free will since god knows what we will choose.
Right....

And the song can't play because you know the words....

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#619270 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I wonder how you atheists come to the same "conclusion" that there is no God.
you lie.

you have never met one Gnostic Atheist.

I do not accept the existence of that which you call god, the reason, is lack of evidence.

There is no reason that you should "believe" in the existence of a being without evidence. It is my opinion, that you lie when you make such a claim.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619271 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You equate republican quotes with Christians?
Odd.
Do you assume there are no christian democrats?
Once again, you mischaracterizing my position. It is not my fault that the most egregious anti-human, anti-woman quotes come from Christians to happen to be Republican. I never claimed any party affiliation. 75% of the country claims Christianity. Of course, how many of those are "true Christians" is predicated on whom you ask?

Is there honesty within you or is it your intent to foment a veil of prevarication to hide behind. Let the sunlight of truth wash you clean.

RiversideRedneck

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#619272 Apr 24, 2013
OCB wrote:
Sorry- it is your BELIEF in your god which influences your life. You have NO prove that it is any god who is influencing you.
And it's your belief that He doesn't.

And you have no proof that "any god" doesn't.

Sorry.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619273 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No we don't. We blame humans for that.
Ignorant humans that don't even know Satan is influencing them.
Satan CANNOT control you, only influence you.
Please explain.

Also, please explain how each Christian personally decides who this Satan character is influencing and none of them agree.

“Headless Body in Topless Bar”

Since: Sep 07

Hygiene, Colorado

#619274 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No we don't. We blame humans for that.
Ignorant humans that don't even know Satan is influencing them.
Satan CANNOT control you, only influence you.
Wait? Claiming the Satan character has influence is not blaming the Satan character for the evil that influence creates? Headdesk!

Pretzel logic at its finest.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619275 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I've never "hit" my kids, you liar.
Spanking IS hitting, you fool.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619276 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You equate republican quotes with Christians?
Odd.
Do you assume there are no christian democrats?
Of course there are Christian Democrats.

Still waiting for you to post quotes from any of them seeking to justify, excuse or legitimize rape.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#619277 Apr 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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And it's your belief that He doesn't.
And you have no proof that "any god" doesn't.
Sorry.
And I have no proof that Santa doesn't. And neither do you....so....what was your (non) point?

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