Prove there's a god.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#618705 Apr 21, 2013
Thnks to you I have a collection of skulls , Clueless you say..but I know you even better than you do yourself.

Here's to you, you know who are.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#618706 Apr 21, 2013
Sweetie-Pie wrote:
And...bazillions is a fictitious word.
We do know what Brazilians are though.

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#618707 Apr 21, 2013
gIMME Another SKULL !=/

I give you one :)



Mine fits in a velvet glove.......
Sweetie-Pie

Hollywood, FL

#618709 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
gIMME Another SKULL !=/
I give you one :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =oUTDyKofPCAXX
Mine fits in a velvet glove.......
Nothing you say ever eludes me.....
christianity is EVIL

Lower Sackville, Canada

#618711 Apr 21, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
Now let's stretch our analogy further, literally. Let's take our large, pitch-black room and remove its walls. And let's extend the room so that it goes on infinitely in all directions. Now there is nothing outside the room, because the room is all there is. Period.
This black infinite room has no light, no dust, no particles of any kind, no air, no elements, no molecules. It's absolute nothingness. In fact, we can call it Absolutely Nothing.
So here's the question: if originally -- bazillions of years ago -- there was Absolutely Nothing, wouldn't there be Absolutely Nothing now?
Yes. For something -- no matter how small -- cannot come from Absolutely Nothing. We would still have Absolutely Nothing.
What does that tell us? That Absolutely Nothing never existed. Why? Because, if Absolutely Nothing ever existed, there would still be Absolutely Nothing!
If Absolutely Nothing ever existed, there would not be anything outside it to cause the existence of anything.
Again, if Absolutely Nothing ever existed, there would still be Absolutely Nothing.
However, something exists. Actually, many things exist. You, for example, are something that exists, a very important something. Therefore, you are proof that Absolutely Nothing never existed.
Now, if Absolutely Nothing never existed, that means there was always a time when there was at least Something in existence. What was it?
Was it one thing or many things? Was it an atom? A particle? A molecule? A football? A mutant baseball? A refrigerator? Some cookies?
To find out, go to ''Something.''
__http://www.everystudent.com/ journeys/nothing.html_________ _
I wonder who in here would take the time and read all of this, i dont post this for a right or wrong agenda on beliefs. Just thought this was an awsome analogy and could probly answer alot of skeptics questions!!?
ps23 writes;
** Click on the "something"
and then click at the bottom of each page in blue highlights all the way to ''who 2''.. Further if you wish, but this is some good reading..
there always was something imo,our universe was most likely part of a multiverse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#618712 Apr 21, 2013
Sweetie-Pie wrote:
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Nothing you say ever eludes me.....
Does that mean you are cooking dinner tonight , or just watching me eat?
Sweetie-Pie

Hollywood, FL

#618713 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Does that mean you are cooking dinner tonight , or just watching me eat?
Neither, I have made other plans.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#618715 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You do realize these concepts, and yes they are concepts.
Were entirely constructed by the limitations of your own capacity and fabricated in your mind, and that however these constraints were fashioned in your own mind. They do not necessarily reflect what really must happen , or indeed what really happens but in fact..... are constructs of your own device. Reality can be different.. and you do not know, these are the things we can count on.
What? Huh? Those are not my words and didnt come from my head, but they sounded very logical and reasonable to me..

So do you want to explain your concepts, that you have fabricated and fashioned in your mind, and those of others who has influenced your constructed view of how life began??

So you disagree with anaology, so what would your analogy be(scientificly)??

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#618717 Apr 21, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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And what do you say to those atheists who have already done what you suggest and felt nothing?
Keep seeking with a clear mind and a willing heart. Question your motive and ask yourself if you found the evidence you wanted, would you and are you willing to serve God? Are you simply seeking ''just'' for the curiousity of his existence, or are you truly wanting what God wants to give you?
(here's hoping you're not one of those people who will say - without even knowing - that they didn't really open their hearts when they reached out to god...)
Keep seeking with an open mind and willing heart, check your motive i would think..

Are you seeking "just for" the curiousity of his existence?, or are you truly wanting what God wants to give you?

Have you asked yourself if you found the evidence you seek, are you willing to serve God?

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#618718 Apr 21, 2013
Sweetie-Pie wrote:
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" if "originally -- bazillions of years ago -- there was Absolutely Nothing, wouldn't there be Absolutely Nothing now?
"If" Absolutely Nothing ever existed..."
That is a mighty big "if"
Exactly. So which side of the ''IF'' would you want to be on when that time comes?

Because when our time is up here, we both are gonna see that ''if'' turned into ''it surely was true''..

All the "if's" and maybe's will be proven positive..

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#618719 Apr 21, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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What? Huh? Those are not my words and didnt come from my head, but they sounded very logical and reasonable to me..
So do you want to explain your concepts, that you have fabricated and fashioned in your mind, and those of others who has influenced your constructed view of how life began??
So you disagree with anaology, so what would your analogy be(scientificly)??
It will suffice to say your mentor was missing the concept of our 4th dimension when thinking about nothing vs something.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#618720 Apr 21, 2013
Sweetie-Pie wrote:
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Neither, I have made other plans.

Ok Sweetie Pie maybe some other time.:) heheheh

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#618721 Apr 21, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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there always was something imo,our universe was most likely part of a multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
They are plenty of speculations for sure, but wouldnt you agree they had to be a ''first cause''? Who/what had the intelligence and power to give knowledge, to make that ''first'' cell with all of that information in it?

Who put it there? For arguments sake, lets say that possibly could be true, but the same question applies. They had to be a beginning, rather it be one universe or multiple.

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

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#618722 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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No all this is your bull sjit because.
Groups of molecules never became aware of themselves.
Cells may have become somewhat aware of themselves, but not at a level we can call conscious. So your whole scheme is wrong, and you call me crazy. If you want to say science is still puzzling
out the mystery of life, then say it.
But molecules aren't alive or aware of themselves and defining life as a collection of molecules is ridiculous.
You are really asking how did organic matter become living organisms .
Holy sh*t. You really are whacked. Molecules "never" became aware of themselves? What are we but a bunch of molecules? Matter fact that's what any good topix atheist will try to convince others of, that we are nothing but molecules and as such have no truly free will. And now you're saying we're not? What are we then, psycho man? However you want to slice it, call it molecules call it cells; if there really was an abiogenesis event (and it was not driven by an eternal consciousness) then there most definitely had to be an instant in time when these molecules or cells (which *are* groups of molecules, or don't you get that?) had become "aware". There exists awareness now and you claim awareness did'nt exist eternally, so there's is no such thing as becoming aware slowly. The very instant you *start* becoming aware, no matter how little or slowly, that is the instant you become aware. A nanometer of awareness is still awareness.

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

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#618723 Apr 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>There is a distinction. I did not say "consciousness and awareness," I said "consciousness and self awareness." A cat is conscious. It is not self aware. Not everything that is conscious has a sense of self.
Don't understand the last question. Comfortable with what? I don't care where consciousness "comes from" either way.
and
And I don't know for sure, but based on testing for animal self awareness, there are only a select few animals that have a sense of self. I would link the proof to you, but I know that at this point you will respond with "well, you can't really know they don't have a sense of self unless you know what makes consciousness possible" or some other such nonsense. The point is, given the evidence we have, dogs do not have a sense of self. Before you start yelling, take a moment and make sure you really know what is meant by "sense of self." It does not mean "ability to think."
You guys are really flipping me out. If your boss IANS was here he would smack you and Aura and then fire you. How can anyone possibly know if a cat is self aware or has a sense of self? That is completely a subjective phenomenon. No one knows if I have a sense of being. But you assume I do sine you do and we are all humans. Heck everyone else in the world could be aliens or angels and this life could just be "my test". I don't believe that but it could be true for all I know. Get it? YOU really think animals have no sense of self? They might not but science cannot approach that.

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#618724 Apr 21, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Holy sh*t. You really are whacked. Molecules "never" became aware of themselves? What are we but a bunch of molecules? Matter fact that's what any good topix atheist will try to convince others of, that we are nothing but molecules and as such have no truly free will. And now you're saying we're not? What are we then, psycho man? However you want to slice it, call it molecules call it cells; if there really was an abiogenesis event (and it was not driven by an eternal consciousness) then there most definitely had to be an instant in time when these molecules or cells (which *are* groups of molecules, or don't you get that?) had become "aware". There exists awareness now and you claim awareness did'nt exist eternally, so there's is no such thing as becoming aware slowly. The very instant you *start* becoming aware, no matter how little or slowly, that is the instant you become aware. A nanometer of awareness is still awareness.
I spent some time in the Yale-New Haven Psychiatric Hospital.

Where did you spend your time?

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#618725 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> It will suffice to say your mentor was missing the concept of our 4th dimension when thinking about nothing vs something.
LOL, forgive me for laughing..

But it was you who spoke about "all" the things that author said, was only "concepts" of my/his mind..

"pot calling the kettle black"!

And here you have your own concept and your mentor's concept of a 4th demension, a theory based only on a ''mans'' coined term. to which he cant prove to be true.

In mathematics, four-dimensional space ("4D") is an abstract concept derived by generalizing the rules of three-dimensional space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional...

In 1908, Hermann Minkowski presented a paper[6] consolidating the role of time as the fourth dimension of spacetime, the basis for Einstein's theories of special and general relativity.[7] But the geometry of spacetime, being non-Euclidean, is profoundly different from that popularised by Hinton. The study of such Minkowski spaces required new mathematics quite different from that of four-dimensional Euclidean space, and so developed along quite different lines. This separation was less clear in the popular imagination, with works of fiction and philosophy blurring the distinction, so in 1973 H. S. M. Coxeter felt compelled to write:


Little, if anything, is gained by representing the fourth Euclidean dimension as time. In fact, this idea, so attractively developed by H. G. Wells in The Time Machine, has led such authors as John William Dunne (An Experiment with Time) into a serious misconception of the theory of Relativity. Minkowski's geometry of space-time is not Euclidean, and consequently has no connection with the present investigation.

H. S. M. Coxeter, Regular Polytopes[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Euclidean

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#618726 Apr 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
Woah. Wow. Consciousness is only molecular now when I can show how cells became conscious "during abiogensis?" First of all, who the fuck says that cells became immediately conscious during abiogenisis? And secondly, are you serious? So, evolution only happened if we can show how life started during abiogenisis, the universe is only expanding if we can show what happened at t=0, etc.. etc... etc...
WTF are you going on about? If it would make you feel better then we can say life came into being first and then awareness came into being subsequently (according to your speculation). It doesn't matter when it happened, numbnuts, fact is it happened. And if it happened, then we obviously went from a state of 'non-awareness' to 'awareness'. Go read the post I addressed to Aura; same answer, that is, unless you say you believe in an eternal consciousness and I Know that's not true.

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#618727 Apr 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You do realize these concepts, and yes they are concepts.
Were entirely constructed by the limitations of your own capacity and fabricated in your mind, and that however these constraints were fashioned in your own mind. They do not necessarily reflect what really must happen , or indeed what really happens but in fact..... are constructs of your own device. Reality can be different.. and you do not know, these are the things we can count on.

..Had to repost this..

Everything you said to me in this post, can be directed back to you and your own concepts..

So again, what problem did you have with that analogy??? HMMM

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#618728 Apr 21, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Prove cats are not self-aware.
I don't know how well you have been following this conversation, but I believe I specifically said that we cannot prove that any animals are *not* self aware. And even if you hadn't been following the conversation, you should know that it is always dumb to ask someone to prove a negative. Cats, and most other animals, have not shown any sign of self awareness in any test we have come up with. This doesn't mean that they aren't self aware, of course - it might mean that we don't know how to test for it. However, since some animals have "passed" self awareness tests, it would seem that we do know how to test for it in some instances, which reduces the chance that we simply aren't giving the right tests.

One person objected to the notion that dogs do not have self awareness, noting that dogs do not use sight as their primary sense and as such the mirror test would probably mean nothing to them. Possibly a valid point, so he designed a "smell test" of self awareness, and this failed as well.

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