Prove there's a god.

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#614490 Apr 8, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What questions? I recall someone making the claim that for evolution to occur that all of the necessary mutations to form a new species would have to occur at the same time, which is such a ridiculous assertion it doesn't even warrant a response.
As for DNA, it did not "gain intelligence." DNA is basically a set of instructions for "creating" creatures, but DNA itself is not intelligent. As to where it came from, there are several theories. Some people think that the necessary building blocks came from space - as two of the four nucleobases found in dna were recently found on a meteorite. Or for an earth based solution to this problem, I'd recommend checking out the famous miller urey experiment, which showed that amino acids could be formed in conditions similar to early earth. I have just given you two possibilities, both of which are supported either by observation or experiment, and both of which are better explanations that "goddidit."
Way to go wikipedia! But see this is my whole point and science hates this. Everything had a starting point, an origin. And at the beginning of anything, it needs a starting force. Even something simple as a computer with all of it's information for completing whatever task it was designed to do can do nothing without someone flipping the switch. Same with the big bang. Even evolution started with some kind of force, or maybe the instructions were already there. But from where because sure in the hell not by itself, if evolution if proven to be outright true. And I mean without doubt and all obtainable evidence to prove it without question.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#614491 Apr 8, 2013
Darwin is my Copilot wrote:
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What's up AL? How is it out your way?
Pretty good. Just watching NatGeo and trying to stay awake. How ya been!? I've missed ya!!!

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#614492 Apr 8, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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The Palestinians disagree quite like the North American natives did. Israel just doesn't have enough Reservation space.
Oh I know. I wasn't debating if the Palestinians liked it or not. But I was just pointing out "self fulfilled" prophesies that seem to have come to be. Not 1. Not 2. But 10 that come to mind.

_-Alice-_

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#614493 Apr 8, 2013
nurface wrote:
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Atheist dont believe in evil do they?

Since: Oct 11

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#614494 Apr 8, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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Pretty good. Just watching NatGeo and trying to stay awake. How ya been!? I've missed ya!!!
Got too busy with work to keep it up and the board had been atken over by a bunch of really rude homophobes. The people we used to "hang out with" were showing up less often and the scales tilted far enough for me to slide off.

I'm up in NoCal working, watching a cooking show in my hotel room and fading fast.

_-Alice-_

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#614495 Apr 8, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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Oh I know. I wasn't debating if the Palestinians liked it or not. But I was just pointing out "self fulfilled" prophesies that seem to have come to be. Not 1. Not 2. But 10 that come to mind.
OK, sorry Al. If they're self fulfilled prophesies then they pretty much have to come to be, don't they?

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#614496 Apr 8, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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What difference does it make?
A big difference. Big bang theory pretty much states that all life is a major mistake and really shouldn't have happened because it's meaningless. So if evolution was driven by survival, then something must drive survival (like purpose) or else nothing would have ever survived because, remember, life is meaningless.(as the person who made the original statement believes it is.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#614497 Apr 8, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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OK, sorry Al. If they're self fulfilled prophesies then they pretty much have to come to be, don't they?
If they are self fulfilled, then what are the odds?

Since: Jan 11

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#614498 Apr 8, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
If they are self fulfilled, then what are the odds?
It will come to pass, that you will read this post.

And when you do, I'll get to say:

"I foretold you so!"

...the only memorable thing about the movie, The Guardians.

_-Alice-_

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#614499 Apr 8, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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It will come to pass, that you will read this post.
And when you do, I'll get to say:
"I foretold you so!"
...the only memorable thing about the movie, The Guardians.
I knew you were gonna say that.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#614500 Apr 8, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
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A big difference. Big bang theory pretty much states that all life is a major mistake and really shouldn't have happened because it's meaningless. So if evolution was driven by survival, then something must drive survival (like purpose) or else nothing would have ever survived because, remember, life is meaningless.(as the person who made the original statement believes it is.
Cheeseburgers?

Again, what difference does it make to you?
Greens - tuf

Annandale, Australia

#614501 Apr 8, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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Then no one belongs anywhere? Because that means that any land belongs to those before them, and so forth and so on?
You would be correct with that statement.
No land belongs to anybody, we are all occupying until we need it no longer.

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#614502 Apr 8, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
I knew you were gonna say that.
That's not even...

You can't really...

If you don't...

I'm not going to...

So we're really just...

Since: Sep 11

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#614503 Apr 8, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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Then no one belongs anywhere? Because that means that any land belongs to those before them, and so forth and so on?
I didn't say that. I'm just saying people have been uprooted from their "natural home" many times throughout history, and it doesn't make much sense to try and organize the world based on whose ancestors came from where.

Since: Sep 11

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#614504 Apr 8, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
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Way to go wikipedia! But see this is my whole point and science hates this. Everything had a starting point, an origin. And at the beginning of anything, it needs a starting force. Even something simple as a computer with all of it's information for completing whatever task it was designed to do can do nothing without someone flipping the switch. Same with the big bang. Even evolution started with some kind of force, or maybe the instructions were already there. But from where because sure in the hell not by itself, if evolution if proven to be outright true. And I mean without doubt and all obtainable evidence to prove it without question.
I didn't go on wiki. The information I shared with you is widely known and non technical, so I don't know why you would think I would have needed wiki.

You're making bold claims without backing them up, at all. Evolution doesn't need some divine force guiding it, that is why evolution is such an elegant mechanism. As for the big bang, you're just spouting apologist nonsense again. There are many theories as to how the universe started and none of them need to invoke some unknown being flipping a switch.

Since: Sep 11

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#614505 Apr 8, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
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Way to go wikipedia! But see this is my whole point and science hates this. Everything had a starting point, an origin. And at the beginning of anything, it needs a starting force. Even something simple as a computer with all of it's information for completing whatever task it was designed to do can do nothing without someone flipping the switch. Same with the big bang. Even evolution started with some kind of force, or maybe the instructions were already there. But from where because sure in the hell not by itself, if evolution if proven to be outright true. And I mean without doubt and all obtainable evidence to prove it without question.
Side note - it's hilarious that creationists require for us to literally obtain every single piece of evidence to prove any scientific theory (which we would have to be omnipresent to do), but they don't require even close to the same level of scrutiny for their goddidit nonsense. Why does evolution need to be proven to an unreasonable degree for you to accept it, but your god belief needs nothing of the sort? You support it with vague suppositions about god "needing" to be the starting force, and nothing else. A lack of a perfect scientific theory of everything, as you seem to demand, does not prove god. Proof for god would prove god, which you have none of.

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#614506 Apr 9, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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1. Amos 9:14-15 : The prophet said that there would come a time when the exiles of Israel would again have Israel as their own land and that they would never be uprooted again.
2. Ezekiel 37: 10-14 Israel would be brought to life. The prophet receives a vision in which Israel was seen as a scattering of dried-up bones. In this vision, God tells Ezekiel that the bones (Israel) would be brought back to life.
3. Isaiah 66: 7-8 Isaiah spoke of Israel being born in one day. During one day, the United States recognized Israel's sovereignty. Just hours before a U.N. mandate expired, ending British control of the land. Within a 24 hours of time, foreign control of the land of Israel had formally ceased, and Israel had declared its independence.
4. Ezekiel 37: 21-22 Israel would be re-established as 1 nation.
5. Jeremiah 16: 14-15 The reborn Israel will be more powerful and impressive than the 1st.
There's more. But even if one doesn't believe in the prophesy, its still kind of interesting none the less......
Most of those are pretty similar, and not very impressive. I would be impressed if they came with a date, a description of the circumstances surrounding israel's reclamation, name of the first leader, etc, etc. What about all the biblical prophecies that didn't stick?

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#614507 Apr 9, 2013
nurface wrote:
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Atheist dont believe in evil do they?
Like, as a force? General concept? I don't think "evil" exists, but people can certainly be what I would call evil. And those people have no right to be a part of society.

Since: Sep 11

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#614508 Apr 9, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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You live happily in a land that the U.S. Government says is yours.....
Are you saying then that its ok because that's where you live comfortably?
I'm just saying.....
I don't really understand what you're saying. Am I saying what's ok?

Since: Sep 11

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#614509 Apr 9, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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Oh I know. I wasn't debating if the Palestinians liked it or not. But I was just pointing out "self fulfilled" prophesies that seem to have come to be. Not 1. Not 2. But 10 that come to mind.
I don't think the bible would fare too well on an objective check of all it's prophecies, not just the ones concerning israel.

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