“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#614252 Apr 8, 2013
saidI wrote:
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I agree with evolution. However how could eye's have been a new biological function which was a spontaneous creative invention, when all animals have them?
They started with light sensitive nerve endings, which were an obvious advantage to survival enabling those organisms that had them to pass them along.
nurface

London, KY

#614253 Apr 8, 2013
saidI wrote:
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Yes many Christians were killed for what they believed in. You say this as if your discounting all the others that died at the hands of RC, Christians and Protestants, Jew's Muslims, you've all had a great go at killing, thou it doth say "thou shall not kill" in a commandment somewhere; so I've heard. And though I'm not religious, that makes sense to me.
No, not all.. I was not prejudice in saying what i said.
Don't you go taking all the glory, it isn't just religious people that have fought and died for their countries, for the Freedom of speech. Atheists and Agnostics fought, held hands with the religious ones; implying Atheists and Agnostics are yellow.
You are projecting here? I never once implied your silly assumption..
Of course it isn't true that, "you" all hide and fear what waits after death. That's the same as me saying you only believe in God because of what you fear. Your God, from what I've learnt about him isn't going to be too happy with you lot on here, judging and insulting people, acting so superior. I'd be so "fearful", if I were you.
I agree, God is not pleased with the actions of ''so called Christians'' repeat so called.. Not saying that i 'know' that they arent Christians but actions speak louder then words so to speak.

I am no better or no less then you or any Atheist, or unbeliever. I am a human just the same as them.....

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#614255 Apr 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
macumazahn wrote:
No.
Atheism is not a belief.
It's a conclusion.
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Assumptions.
No.

Evidence.

Atheism has it.

Religion has folklore.

And despite recent frantic efforts to re-label that folklore in terms that sound scientific, or distort both the science and the folklore beyond all recognition so that they sorta might fit*, it's still folklore.

You've been told this repeatedly, and on some level you know that what you're spouting is factually nonsense, but you've invested so much effort and time into it that you simply cannot admit it.

That, or you're a Poe.

__________
*If you close one eye and squint really hard.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#614256 Apr 8, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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What evidence?
I never seen no evidence of evolution taking place!
When has anyone seen one species turn into another species?
I watched my ex-wife morph into a gelatinous creature in a year and a half. Does that count?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#614257 Apr 8, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So what happens to those unfortunate few who are born flat footed? Are they doomed?
No one is born flat footed, it's a preference.

:)

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#614258 Apr 8, 2013
nurface wrote:
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Darwin did,, he ate some shroons and drawed them on a piece of paper, LOL,,,
*sigh*

No scientist has ever directly observed fusion at the nuclear level, either.

That doesn't prevent it from being demonstrably true.

I refer you to Eniwetok, Bikini Atoll, Christmas Island...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#614259 Apr 8, 2013
Tehee Candor wrote:
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I watched a ridiculous show last evening and it's so ridiculous I shall not mention the name unless really pressed. There was a rich woman who claimed she made a glass refridge and therefore if she wanted to,,,, she could indeed watch that hot water turn to ice. Hmmmm, wonder how long it takes?:)
I am enjoying watching your banter RR and sorry I called you a RN earlier. Haha It's almost Monday,,,, wuuuupie!(not)
Ugh it's already Monday....

Is it me or do the weekends seem to be going by much faster?

“Ditat Deus”

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#614260 Apr 8, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>River, you are just being dumb at this point. I guess you just aren't good at reading. "Rejection of belief" means just that - not believing in a deity. I don't reject the possibility altogether because I cannot conclusively rule out the existence of a deity, I simply don't believe in one.
I don't "believe there may be a god," I just assert that given our current knowledge it is impossible to rule a god out, no matter how improbable one may be. I think that quote I cited for you earlier sums up my position nicely - that I am an atheist because the god proposition is so meaningless that it is basically irrelevant, but I am forced to label myself an atheist because modern society assumes a belief in god. If religion weren't so widespread, I would ignore the idea of god altogether, for the same reason you ignore the possibility that your computer is powered by magical pixies - it is so baseless and without evidence that it's futile to even consider it.
Alright, I'm dropping this topic after this, you seem to be willfully obtuse and it's getting old.

Atheism is not about "Rejection of belief". You omitted the last part of it.

Atheism is "rejection of a belief in the EXISTENCE OF" deities.

If you have any thoughts that there MAY be a deity, you're not atheist.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#614261 Apr 8, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you trolling me? We don't need to actually witness one species turning into another. Doing so would be basically impossible anyway because evolution takes place over a very long period of time. It would be impossible for me to relay to you the immense amount of evidence for evolution in one topix post, so I recommend going to google and searching "evidence for evolution." That would be a good start.
Right.

Many of these Creationists seem to have absolutely no sense of scale or proportion.

I do find it amusing that they don't believe in Evolution because there are no eyewitnesses, but won't reject Creation on the same grounds.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#614262 Apr 8, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>The idea of a universal common ancestor is one of the things evolution is based on, but the theory does not stand or fall on that proposition alone. If you accept that evolution occurred, then you must either accept the evidence we have for why it happened or you must say goddidit. What makes more sense? It's not like all we have is the observation that life is varied and we assume that it evolved to get that way - there is myriad evidence that converges from pretty much every single scientific discipline to one conclusion - and that conclusion does not involve god.
I accept that organisms can evolve, I didn't say I accept evolution. I certainly don't accept ToE, that theory is a bunch of bullshit guesses.

Would you stop the childish "goddidit" crap? Why can't one have a conversation with an agnostic about evolution without them throwing that into the mix?

WTF?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#614263 Apr 8, 2013
Tehee Candor wrote:
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Hello, Thank You for your statement earlier about jumping right in. The water's not bad. ;~) I've had some really slam me in other discussions similar and I've not experienced that yet today. We don't have to banter if we don't wish and I stated, I have not all the answers, but I have Faith in what I believe. I know not yet, what you believe though I look forward to discovering it. Thanks and good night and peace to you and yours.:)
Oh, you'll get slammed here eventually, too. We have a couple of trolls on here.

Oh, and I'm an atheist.

“Ditat Deus”

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#614264 Apr 8, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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awwww, poor redneck is butthurt that I said zombie jebus is dead. Go cry to your dead god.
Allow me to rephrase my statement, if your jebus really did exist, he's more than likely dead. Get over it already.
What is it with christards, like yourself, who think that everyone who doesn't agree with you is an atheist? Is it some sort of reflex judgment?
There, that's better.

Apology accepted.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#614265 Apr 8, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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Ignorance? Well, I'm still waiting for you all to prove that jesus did exist and that he's still alive.
The National Enquirer is waiting too.
Is that where you get your knowledge from, the National Enquirere?

LMAO, no wonder why you're so stupid.

“Ditat Deus”

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#614266 Apr 8, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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And you are an atheist, too. You don't believe in the thousands of other Gods except your own.
Dumb ass.

I believe in God, therefore I'm a theist.

An atheist doesn't believe in the existance of ANY gods...

Dumb ass.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#614267 Apr 8, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>No.
Evidence.
Atheism has it.
Religion has folklore.
And despite recent frantic efforts to re-label that folklore in terms that sound scientific, or distort both the science and the folklore beyond all recognition so that they sorta might fit*, it's still folklore.
You've been told this repeatedly, and on some level you know that what you're spouting is factually nonsense, but you've invested so much effort and time into it that you simply cannot admit it.
That, or you're a Poe.
__________
*If you close one eye and squint really hard.
You loon, what evidence?

There's is ZERO evidence that God does not exist - as atheism BELIEVES.

But go on, tell me more of your beliefs.

Since: Mar 11

Carnegie, Australia

#614268 Apr 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ugh it's already Monday....
Is it me or do the weekends seem to be going by much faster?
We're getting faster and faster as we approach the massive black hole in the middle of our galaxy!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#614269 Apr 8, 2013
saidI wrote:
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We're getting faster and faster as we approach the massive black hole in the middle of our galaxy!
That's probably why my head is spinning.

Since: Jul 10

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#614270 Apr 8, 2013
Buzz wrote:
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Why are you so intent on convincing others that something you believe does not exist does not exist. You are the one looking for something to prove your unbelief. Why does the fact that so many people can "know" something you have no interest in knowing bother you so much. It must be a very big deal in your life for you to be so passionate about the existence of God. Maybe that is the proof you are looking for.
One could look at it that way, but they would be wrong. I am participating in what is intended to be a discussion about proving a god. I have experienced and watched others experience very vicious attacks on this site from alleged Christians who keep making the claim that God exists, that they know God exists, yet none have provided any facts to support their knowledge.

I was hoping to get at least one of these people to use their brains when responding, rather than just the dogma and jargon that they have been indoctrinated to say.

I also object to fanatics hijacking a discussion to use it as their pulpit to proselytize. If they have something that they believe in and state they know to be true, then show us their proof or back off.

I know that they can't and won't show us the proof, because there is no proof, but at least it would seem to indicate they are awake and their brain cell(s) are working if they could admit to that rather than constantly doing what they do.

I am not looking for proof that there actually is a god, because I am very comfortable in my understanding (as it now exists) that there is no evidence of any gods, nor has there ever been.

I am not intent on convincing others that a god does not exist, but I am intent on their backing up their claims of existence and their reasons for behaving as they do.

I would not have this discussion with my mother, who is a firm believer, nor would I be happy if someone else was to have this discussion with her. She is at a point in her life, near the end, at 89, when she does not need to be re-evaluating everything that she has stood for and worked for all her life. She has the right to end her life as comfortable for her as possible.

I see no harm in her dying thinking that she will be in heaven when she dies, because once she is dead she won't know anything anyway, but while she is alive, I see no point in hurting her. If I am totally wrong, then that is a bonus for her, I guess.

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#614271 Apr 8, 2013
nurface wrote:
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You have hope boots, i think if you would just ''take off that ''self fabricated blind fold'' you have *chosen* to wear you would see all the proof you need..
For the assertion that “There is no God” is just as much a claim to knowledge as is the assertion that “There is a God.” Therefore, the former assertion requires justification just as the latter does.
So here we are at a ''standoff'' so to speak..
Let me ask you this.. You all see life as a mere accident of a mindless, non rational, purposeless universe ok, so how does any non rational process create mind and rationality?
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You ask some good questions, but again there is proof you just fail/reject to acknowledge that proof.
You are lumping me with people who make claims that you state above. I don't make those claims, though I do believe that evolution has occurred (mainly because that has been confirmed). I don't know how we get to where we are now, going from cells to a living being with a mind, but I do know that the components that is our mind is electrical and chemical, and it can be traced.

Belief is Creation doing all this is the belief that all this came from Nothing, not eveolution.

If there is proof that I fail/reject to acknowledge then let's have the proof. Why do we spend years saying there is proof when no one provides any? If the proof exists, and you or others know it, then why not share that?

I don't have proof that a god does not exist, and I know that I will never be able to provide that proof (it is an impossibility). I also know that the basis of our current religions are in books, which at least the Abrahamic God believers claim are divinely inspired or written by God. I also know that if a God wrote/inspired these books then he made a lot of errors, and thus is not as omnipotent and all-knowing as is claimed.

Since: Jul 10

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#614272 Apr 8, 2013
Tehee Candor wrote:
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Here's a question for you please. How many people do you know that would put their very lives on the line for a lie? JESUS was either what He claimed to be or He was a Blatant liarmouth and people died defending their FAITH. Do you know anything about Daniel? I shall waste no energy entertaining all your questions of disbelief. As I've already stated I have many questions yet myself. Thank You
Look at the world today, and those who not only put their lives on the line but actually take their own lies for lies. Do you believe that the Muslim terrorists will meet 72 virgins when they blow themselves up killing dozens of civilians including children? What about the American soldiers who died in Iraq because of being sent there based on lies? Do you believe Bush really believed God was with the Americans when he sent them there?

People get killed because they belong to a group that other people don't like, but if they had been given a choice of living or dying, they probably would have denied their beliefs to stay alive. I know that if I was gien the option of burning at the stake or denouncing God, I would denounce God so all could hear. I would value satying alive more than dying for something that I only believe.

I would put my life on the line though if it meant someone else's life might be saved, as in my children or my spouse, or grandchildren. I would not place the value of my life over others who depend on me. At least I hope I wouldn't, if I was placed in that position.

I doubt many of the people you spoke of die for their faith but rather, because they were identified as who they were, they were murdered much the same as the massacres in Rwanda, and other places. They died because of bigotry.

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