Prove there's a god.

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OCB wrote:
<quoted text>How dare you. You state in your usual arrogant way that they meant the Christian god.
You said that with quite a degree of certainty.
Are you SO sure about THAT??
Yes. They meant the Christian God. But forming a secular, free religion society, they had to word it just right.

They were brilliant men. They helped us gain our freedom & independence from England AND they wanted to make sure that any American could practice any religion they wanted.

We all owe them our gratitude and respect.

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Ok, Dr NewDictionary.
But "odd" is something different from what is usual.
To me and to you, calling a flashlight a torch is odd.
From what is usual to YOU. In ENGLAND, using the word "torch" for a flashlight IS usual and IS the norm.

And you do not speak for ME.

I do NOT find calling a flashlight a torch to be "odd". It actually makes a lot of sense.

Unfamiliar is something different from what is usual to a person.

And "unfamiliar" and "odd" do NOT mean the same thing.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know. Thanks, Dr Ruth.
And when God speaks to me or answers my prayers, that is evidence of His existence.
next time god has a conversation with you, pleae record it, I'd like to know how she sounds.....
I'm betting she sounds like Alanis Morissette

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<quoted text>Right- but WHICH god? Who are YOU to "declare" they specifically meant the Christian god?
RR, your arrogance, disrespect and ignorance are astounding.
What Gid do you think a Christian means when they talk about their Creator?!

OCB, your ignorance and stubbornness is off the charts.

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Nope.
Junism, Buddhism, Scientology, Taoism, etc dont even have a god or gods.
Obviously, the "Creator" is God from Christianity.
Because most of the founding fathers were Christian.
Had they been Muslim, the "Creator" would've been Allah.
Derp.
Who are you to say it isn't the god of Judaism?

You DO know that Jews often refer to god as "god", right?

BTW, there was no such thing as Scientology when the DOI was written.

"Derp" is right.

That you are dismissive and disrespectful of religious beliefs which differ from your own does not mean the founding fathers were.

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<quoted text>What is that evidence of a god in most of us- if not all the time, a good deal of the time?
Bullshit.
Evidence of being amused is laughing.
Are you sure? Maybe the laughter is mocking...
Evidence of being angry is yelling, screaming, being physically violent, verbally abusive....
Are you sure? Maybe the yelling is necessary, a distance, a deaf person, other noises....

Violence and abuse are very possible without anger.
Evidence of happiness or pleasure is smiling......
Ya? So smiling for a picture is happiness, too?
Evidence of sadness is crying.....
Crying can also be a sign of happiness. "These are happy tears".......
Just what is the "evidence" of a god being in most of us?
All those emotions you just listed (that I corrected) can be seen as evidence of God.

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What Gid do you think a Christian means when they talk about their Creator?!
OCB, your ignorance and stubbornness is off the charts.
That you think so shows it is YOUR ignorance and stubbornness that is off the charts.

And....I will NOT get into it with you again regarding the religions and religious beliefs of the founding fathers.

At best, what their actual beliefs were is inconclusive but with MUCH out there to prove that you are WRONG to keep stating that the founding fathers were all Christian or even that most of them were.

ENOUGH.

And for the LAST time, you keep referring to the DOI- which, for the LAST time, was NOT a governing document.

So in actuality, the DOI has very little to do with our governing LAWS.

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I know. Thanks, Dr Ruth.
And when God speaks to me or answers my prayers, that is evidence of His existence.
Or evidence of voices in your head.

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<quoted text>Yet Mormons are Christians.
Go figure.
Mormons have only recently been wanting to call themselves Christian. But they certainly aren't.

Ever read what the founder of Mormonism said about all other sects if Christianity?

Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith History 1:18,1

“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join.…I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong;…their creeds were an abomination in his sight”.

How is he Christian if he's claiming The Lord told him otherwise?

A: He's not Christian & neither are Mormons.

The Book of Mormon is not the Bible.

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I know. Thanks, Dr Ruth.
And when God speaks to me or answers my prayers, that is evidence of His existence.
HA! You "know". But you did NOT know just yesterday that there is evidence of emotions and therefore PROOF of emotions.

Instead, you kept bleating: Prove that emotions exist.

NOW you say you know there is proof/evidence that they do.

Amazing that there is proof of emotions had to be explained to you.

Sad, yet amazing nonetheless.

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<quoted text>Oh and right.....no Christians other than Mormons ever go against the bible, huh?
Mormons don't read or follow the Christian Bible, so....

Your point?
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I know God is perfect, everlasting and all powerful.
I don't know if He has a personality. Do you?
You can't love someone you don't actually know.

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Bullshit.
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Are you sure? Maybe the laughter is mocking...
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Are you sure? Maybe the yelling is necessary, a distance, a deaf person, other noises....
Violence and abuse are very possible without anger.
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Ya? So smiling for a picture is happiness, too?
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Crying can also be a sign of happiness. "These are happy tears".......
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All those emotions you just listed (that I corrected) can be seen as evidence of God.
Still, those physical reactions are all evidence and proof of emotions.

And what BULLSH*T that those emotions can be seen as evidence of a god!

What EMOTIONS being displayed are is simply evidence that we have emotions!

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Karma is a_______ wrote:
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next time god has a conversation with you, pleae record it, I'd like to know how she sounds.....
I'm betting she sounds like Alanis Morissette
Okay, I will.

But first, the next time you feel happy, record that feeling so you can share it.

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Bullshit.
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Are you sure? Maybe the laughter is mocking...
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Are you sure? Maybe the yelling is necessary, a distance, a deaf person, other noises....
Violence and abuse are very possible without anger.
<quoted text>
Ya? So smiling for a picture is happiness, too?
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Crying can also be a sign of happiness. "These are happy tears".......
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All those emotions you just listed (that I corrected) can be seen as evidence of God.
And ANYTHING can be perceived as evidence of a god- that doesn't mean it IS or that you can PROVE it is and you CAN'T!!

Sure- misery can be seen as evidence of a god. War can be seen as evidence of a god. Child abuse can be seen as evidence of a god.

Talk about ignorant and stubborn- really, RR- that could be the title of your autobiography!

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<quoted text>HA! You "know". But you did NOT know just yesterday that there is evidence of emotions and therefore PROOF of emotions.
Instead, you kept bleating: Prove that emotions exist.
NOW you say you know there is proof/evidence that they do.
Amazing that there is proof of emotions had to be explained to you.
Sad, yet amazing nonetheless.
Nope. I know the feelings of emotions, so do you.

But I can't prove it to you when I'm happy or mad or sad. I can only TELL you how I feel. I can only TESTIFY to you.

Just like with God.

I CAN NOT prove it to you.

Just like you CAN NOT prove that you live your man.

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Mormons have only recently been wanting to call themselves Christian. But they certainly aren't.
Ever read what the founder of Mormonism said about all other sects if Christianity?
Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith History 1:18,1
“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join.…I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong;…their creeds were an abomination in his sight”.
How is he Christian if he's claiming The Lord told him otherwise?
A: He's not Christian & neither are Mormons.
The Book of Mormon is not the Bible.
WhatEVER, RR. I really don't give a rat's Aunt Fanny.

But MANY Mormons would take great offense at being told they are not Christians.

And sorry, RR- technically, they are. I don't expect you to accept that; why would I when you've tried to argue that CATHOLICS are not Christians when CATHOLICS DEFINITELY are and when that can't be logically disputed?
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God does not "speak" to people. You people need therapy.
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OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Or evidence of voices in your head.
Answering a prayer is a voice in my head?

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