Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#613513 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Hold on a second, here. You have stated MANY times that while our GOVERNMENT is secular, Americans are NOT.
NOW you are trying to claim that our GOVERNMENT is NOT secular with your ridiculous claim that our laws are based on Christianity???
Um......laws are created by GOVERNMENT- that very same government you have insisted all along is SECULAR.
You really DID inhale paint fumes today, didn't you?
You take talking out of both sides of one's mouth to a whole new level, RR.
Let me be clear(er)...

SOME of ours laws are based on Christianity.(not all)

SOME of our laws are based on religion.(like Common Law is taken from an old Saxon religion)

SOME of laws are purely secular.(like speed limits)

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#613514 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Sabbath Day law. Ever heard of the Sunday law that the POTUS must adhere to? The President has 10 days (excluding Sundays) to sign a bill passed by Congress. The founding fathers started that to keep the Sabbath Day.
And it's still in effect.
There's more...
But you'll likely just ignore them.
as with everything else, the weekend has its roots in business and economics

Who invented the weekend?
Overworked in Oklahoma


Dear Overworked:
Good question. Here's another: Why'd they make it only two days? Following is a short history of the weekend, pieced together from various sources, many of which refer to the book "Waiting for the Weekend" by Witold Rybczynski.
The concept of taking time off from work is ancient. The Bible asserts that even God took it easy on the seventh day (thus compelling Him to create football). Although pre-industrial European Christians viewed Sundays solely as a time to dedicate one's self to the Deity, European workers had a longstanding practice of skipping work each "Saint Monday" to recover from the previous day's drinking.

From 1793 to 1805, the French Revolutionary Calendar called for one day of leisure at the end of a 10-day week. But it wasn't until the English industrial revolution that the movement for an additional day off took hold.

The American concept of the weekend has its roots in labor union attempts to accommodate Jewish workers who took Saturday instead of Sunday as their Sabbath. The first five-day work week, according to a posted extract of Rybczynski's book, was instituted by a New England spinning mill for just this reason.

In 1926, Henry Ford began closing his factories on Saturdays, thinking this would help spur the economy. But it wasn't until 1940 that the two-day weekend officially began nationwide, thus paving the way for golf addiction, rummage sales, and a really happening song from the supergroup Loverboy. TGIF, everyone, TGIF.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613515 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, at least I admitted it was an assumption.
You should try it.
Remember yesterday? You claimed I don't know even ONE Canadian......
Fail.
So just why do you have such animosity toward Canada and its citizens?

What do you even KNOW about Canada in order to justify the animosity you have for our GOOD neighbors to the north?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613516 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Uh....I think I already said you get what you pay for.
American companies want their goods manufactured in places like China because they pay much less for labor and actually, they pay what is nothing more than slave wages.
Since they can't get away with that here in the USA, they opt for their goods to be made by very cheap labor which often results in the goods being cheaply made.
I do wonder how much more you'd be willing to pay for those goods to be manufactured right here in the good ol' US of A.
I already know WHY they are cheap. You don't need to go on and on.

Unless you're looking for another self-serving pat on the back...

I dropped Sprint ONLY because they outsource their call centers. Every time I called I'd get Punjab that can barely speak English.

Screw that.

I dropped HSBC for the same reason.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613517 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>How can love cease to exist? The actual emotion IN AND OF ITSELF doesn't cease to exist.
What can and often does cease to exist is a person FEELING that emotion.
Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
And you don't know if your god changes or not, huh? Then your god is no more a constant than the FEELING of emotions is.
BTW, I presented NO hypothesis- what I did was shoot your ANALOGY full of holes.
It is YOU who tried to claim that since emotions can't be proven, then there is no reason why your god should be proven either.
MY point was that your analogy is not valid- because it's NOT.
Yes.

Very good.

I love to see you backpedal.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613518 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Why does that make us "damn women"? Because we're educated on diet and nutrition and what defines an empty calorie and what doesn't?
Sorry if you find knowledge to be "damnable", RR.
Nag.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613519 Apr 5, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
there is only one reality, the god you imagine is a projection of your psyche.
Prove it.

But first you'll have to demonstrate what god I imagine.

Then you'll have to demonstrate my psyche.

Go.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#613520 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well sure, some laws are secular. But a lot of our laws are based on Christian ethics, laws, morals or whatever you want to call it.
Why do you think polygamy is outlawed? It's against Christian morals.
Ever heard of the Declaration of Independence? I'm sure you have....
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitles them ...
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights ...
“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't every religion have some myths associated ith the creation of the world and about a god?

you will notice that the authors of the Declaration of Independence specifically did not mention the Christian god nor the Abrahamic god....

they were intelligent enough to be all inclusive...unlike most fundamentalists be they christians, muslim, or jewish....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613521 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!!!! Good luck finding more than a few businesses- and a very few at that- which are closed on Sundays!
And the majority of those businesses are run by CHRISTIANS- you know, the very same folks you claim make this a Christian nation.
There's more.....
But you'll likely just ignore them.
In any case, you have steadfastly claimed that our GOVERNMENT is secular but that the GOVERNMENT is NOT the American people.
Now you attempt to change your tune because you have painted yourself into yet another corner.
Um....

The president of the United States is the government, not a private business....

Just FYI.

And he MUST follow the Christian based "Sunday Law".

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613522 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>and no......you do NOT get that. If you did, you wouldn't have asked Aero if they "faked it" by bowing their head before a meal.
You would see that as "faking it" rather than showing respect for his grandmother.
WOW.
Mom, not grandma...

You're even wrong about that...

Since: Oct 12

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#613524 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Mom, not grandma...
You're even wrong about that...
Hey, booze brain!! How's it goin'?

Have any of the atheists seen the light yet? LOL

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613525 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>You think polygamy is only against CHRISTIAN morals? LOL!!
Not to mention that MORMONS are Christian and Mormons most certainly do engage in polygamy, so so much for that clueless statement of yours.
The DOI is NOT a GOVERNING document and it never was and was never intended to be.
It was a STATEMENT simply DECLARING this country's independence from Great Britain.
And do YOU see where it states "NATURE'S" god? Who the HELL are you to claim that the Christian god is nature's god?
You are so clueless you don't get why it was called "nature's" god and NOT Christan's god, or Jew's god or anyone else's god!!
Who are you to say that the "Creator" refers to the Christian god?
Doesn't really matter though- since the DOI was never a governing document to begin with.
Apparently, you did not know that. Now you do.
Is your favorite song Twist and Shout?

Seriously...

You don't have to like it, but don't try to change the facts.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613526 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I already know WHY they are cheap. You don't need to go on and on.
Unless you're looking for another self-serving pat on the back...
I dropped Sprint ONLY because they outsource their call centers. Every time I called I'd get Punjab that can barely speak English.
Screw that.
I dropped HSBC for the same reason.
Nor did you have to parrot back what I first said- that you get what you pay for.

Talk about self-serving.....that's how you live with yourself, RR- by being nothing less than one THOUSAND percent self-serving.

Well, gee.....doesn't supporting American businesses fit YOUR definition of what makes a "good and patriotic American"?

And not only is it an incredible number of American companies that already outsource, is there any sign that that won't continue or get even worse?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#613527 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, my bad.

I meant no disrespect towards you or your mom.

I's just axin.
No prob.

Since: Oct 12

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#613528 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I already know WHY they are cheap. You don't need to go on and on.
Unless you're looking for another self-serving pat on the back...
I dropped Sprint ONLY because they outsource their call centers. Every time I called I'd get Punjab that can barely speak English.
Screw that.
I dropped HSBC for the same reason.
Punjab? U better watch what u say about my state, boy!! lol

There's a call centre in Punjab??

We have the same problem here in England. We either get transferred to India (i can't understand their English either, they keep saying ma'am so much) or to other places in England, where they can't speak their own f*ckin' language, it's like aaaahhhh, i'm gonna smash my own phone!!

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613529 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes.
Very good.
I love to see you backpedal.
Hilarious! No, RR- I didn't back pedal- really rich coming from you after you painted yourself into a corner.

And it didn't go unnoticed that you didn't argue with the points I made in my post.

So.....just how does your god change? What people FEEL- as in emotions- can and often DOES change.

YOU have tried to make an analogy between your god not being able to be proven just like emotions can't be proven.

You then stated that just because emotions can't be proven, it doesn't mean they don't exist- just like you have maintained that just because a god can't be proven it doesn't mean a god- and specifically "YOUR" god- doesn't exist.

I then stated that emotions can change and are therefore unpredictable.

You then went off on how emotions do NOT change- that love is love and that hate is hate.

I didn't realize I should have first spelled it out for you- that I OBVIOUSLY meant what people FEEL changes- not that emotions in and of themselves change.

That's not back pedaling- that's stating the obvious and I apologize for not taking your obtuseness into consideration when I first brought up that emotions change.

Or else you were being deliberately obtuse and disingenuous.

So back to it: The FEELING of emotions is fallible. The FEELING of emotions is often misleading. The FEELING of emotions are always subject to change and can change in an instant. The FEELING of emotions can vanish.

You keep trying to compare your god to emotions. You say emotions can no more be proven than your god can.

But there is MUCH evidence when people are feeling one emotion or another.

You see someone in a fit of rage. Are you going to say that isn't proof that that person is angry?

You see a mother coo, play with, look adoringly at her baby, hold her baby, hug her baby and sing to her baby. Are you going to say that isn't proof of a person loving someone?

You see someone laughing out loud, holding their sides, tears of laughter running down their faces, being unable to stop laughing. Are you going to say that isn't proof of a person feeling amusement?

So yes, emotions CAN be proven and there is certainly much evidence of emotions where there is no such evidence of the god you claim to KNOW exists.

So like emotions, is your god fallible? Misleading? Changeable? Capable of vanishing?

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613530 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Is your favorite song Twist and Shout?
Seriously...
You don't have to like it, but don't try to change the facts.
LOL!

The FACT is that the DOI never was and is not a governing document nor was it ever intended to be.

You choose to interpret "nature's" god and the "Creator" as the god of the religion you choose to believe in.

No reference is made to a god of ANY religion. And you are trying to argue that FACT.

OMG.

You truly are unbelievable.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613531 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Is your favorite song Twist and Shout?
Seriously...
You don't have to like it, but don't try to change the facts.
And you don't have to like the FACT that polygamy is NOT against the Christian "morals" of the Christians who are MORMONS.

RR, it's SO easy to see when you're flailing. The little bit of skill you do have in debating is nowhere to be seen in posts of yours such as this one I am responding to.

When I think of how such transparency would be such a breath of fresh air in our government- wow!

But from you, such transparency is like stale air- and a bit fetid too.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613532 Apr 5, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't every religion have some myths associated ith the creation of the world and about a god?
you will notice that the authors of the Declaration of Independence specifically did not mention the Christian god nor the Abrahamic god....
they were intelligent enough to be all inclusive...unlike most fundamentalists be they christians, muslim, or jewish....
Yes, they were very intelligent men. Smart enough to belief in God and smart enough to hide it in our laws.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613533 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Mom, not grandma...
You're even wrong about that...
Nit-pick away, RR.

Such a minor point as to be no point at all.

Again- you're flailing. And failing. And grasping.

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