Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#613494 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Of course. That those in China who make American goods are paid absolute CRAP by American companies is of no concern to you.
Of course, it's true that you get what you pay for.
In order for those goods to be of better quality, durability and craftsmanship, that would mean that we would pay much more for those goods than we already do.
And while "Made in America" may still be the best, it is also the most expensive- not only for consumers, but for the companies who manufacture those goods.
Hey, you get what you pay for.

Here's an interesting read. This family had a hard time going a whole year without buying anything that was made in China.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0470379200/ref=...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613495 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Quite an assumption you make there, RR.
And why would him bowing his head be "faking it"? He might bow his head out of RESPECT for her beliefs.
And that's assuming she prays before a meal to begin with.
Well...

Ya...

I get that...

But....

I wasn't asking you to answer for Aero.

“Ditat Deus”

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#613496 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!!! You're hilarious!!!! MY hypothesis is not shot down at all- YOURS is!!!
Sorry, RR- but emotions DO change in that what we ONCE might have felt we feel no longer or feel a different way.
Yes, RR- emotions CAN- and DO cease to exist. How people FEEL and the emotions people feel can and do change and can and do cease to exist.
You never heard ANYONE say anything like: I once loved him/her so much, but no more- I feel NOTHING for that person any longer.
So your example proves what I said. A much loved spouse can become hated.
No- that is NOT what I meant- that the "interpretation changes"- you're talking absolute nonsense now.
Or I guess I should say...as always.....
Now- can YOU demonstrate if your god changes? And if so, what does your god change into?
RR, the bottom line is that emotions are often subject to change and often do change.
You are trying to tell me that your GOD is subject to change and often DOES change?
Try not to inhale the paint fumes from that corner you have painted yourself into; however, based on this totally nonsensical post of yours, it seems you already inhaled way too much of those fumes.
I don't know if God changes or not. Your hypothesis depends on it, you'll have to demonstrate why.

Also, please tell me how love can cease to exist.

Go.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613497 Apr 5, 2013
Venguer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, but you have a cool hat! Could use a little weight.
OCB says all I eat is empty calories.

Mrs Redneck says the same thing.

Damn women.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613498 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, you get what you pay for.
Here's an interesting read. This family had a hard time going a whole year without buying anything that was made in China.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0470379200/ref=...
Uh....I think I already said you get what you pay for.

American companies want their goods manufactured in places like China because they pay much less for labor and actually, they pay what is nothing more than slave wages.

Since they can't get away with that here in the USA, they opt for their goods to be made by very cheap labor which often results in the goods being cheaply made.

I do wonder how much more you'd be willing to pay for those goods to be manufactured right here in the good ol' US of A.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613499 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well...
Ya...
I get that...
But....
I wasn't asking you to answer for Aero.
And I didn't need your permission- or Aero's for that matter- to do so.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613500 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>NOPE. WRONG. Again.
And I'll pass on the Cheeto- not big on any artificially chemically enhanced "foods".
Sabbath Day law. Ever heard of the Sunday law that the POTUS must adhere to? The President has 10 days (excluding Sundays) to sign a bill passed by Congress. The founding fathers started that to keep the Sabbath Day.

And it's still in effect.

There's more...

But you'll likely just ignore them.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613501 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know if God changes or not. Your hypothesis depends on it, you'll have to demonstrate why.
Also, please tell me how love can cease to exist.
Go.
How can love cease to exist? The actual emotion IN AND OF ITSELF doesn't cease to exist.

What can and often does cease to exist is a person FEELING that emotion.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

And you don't know if your god changes or not, huh? Then your god is no more a constant than the FEELING of emotions is.

BTW, I presented NO hypothesis- what I did was shoot your ANALOGY full of holes.

It is YOU who tried to claim that since emotions can't be proven, then there is no reason why your god should be proven either.

MY point was that your analogy is not valid- because it's NOT.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613502 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
OCB says all I eat is empty calories.
Mrs Redneck says the same thing.
Damn women.
Why does that make us "damn women"? Because we're educated on diet and nutrition and what defines an empty calorie and what doesn't?

Sorry if you find knowledge to be "damnable", RR.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613503 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>BTW, our laws are SECULAR and are not based on Christianity or any other religion.
Too bad you're such a "good" American that you can't accept that FACT is a big part of what made the USA a great nation.
Well sure, some laws are secular. But a lot of our laws are based on Christian ethics, laws, morals or whatever you want to call it.

Why do you think polygamy is outlawed? It's against Christian morals.

Ever heard of the Declaration of Independence? I'm sure you have....

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitles them ...

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights ...

“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

Since: Jul 09

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#613504 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"If emotions are "difficult" to prove, then everything is."
"We feel emotions, therefore emotions exist."
"You cannot turn around and say, "I feel god, therefore god exists."
"You can say "I feel god, therefore I feel god."
===
That. How do you know that.
there is only one reality, the god you imagine is a projection of your psyche.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613505 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Sabbath Day law. Ever heard of the Sunday law that the POTUS must adhere to? The President has 10 days (excluding Sundays) to sign a bill passed by Congress. The founding fathers started that to keep the Sabbath Day.
And it's still in effect.
There's more...
But you'll likely just ignore them.
LOL!!!! Good luck finding more than a few businesses- and a very few at that- which are closed on Sundays!

And the majority of those businesses are run by CHRISTIANS- you know, the very same folks you claim make this a Christian nation.

There's more.....

But you'll likely just ignore them.

In any case, you have steadfastly claimed that our GOVERNMENT is secular but that the GOVERNMENT is NOT the American people.

Now you attempt to change your tune because you have painted yourself into yet another corner.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613506 Apr 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would you assume that?
We rarely eat together, and when we do, it's only when she's up for eating at her favorite restaurant, which she hasn't been for quite a while now.
The last time she mentioned religion was when I was driving her to see my father in the nursing home. She had catholic radio on and she asked me if I still prayed. I said no. That was the end of the conversation.
Okay, my bad.

I meant no disrespect towards you or your mom.

I's just axin.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613507 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well...
Ya...
I get that...
But....
I wasn't asking you to answer for Aero.
and no......you do NOT get that. If you did, you wouldn't have asked Aero if they "faked it" by bowing their head before a meal.

You would see that as "faking it" rather than showing respect for his grandmother.

WOW.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613508 Apr 5, 2013
Venguer wrote:
<quoted text>
Pressure put on atheists to believe?? Bunk! Why don't you tell us?? The atheists are the ones lobbying to do away with everything christian. I don't see Christians constantly harassing atheists and taking them to court to take away what they believe in.
Nice.

Cue the atheists saying: We don't have beliefs!

In 3...2...1...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#613509 Apr 5, 2013
Venguer wrote:
<quoted text>Pressure put on atheists to believe?? Bunk! Why don't you tell us?? The atheists are the ones lobbying to do away with everything christian. I don't see Christians constantly harassing atheists and taking them to court to take away what they believe in.
Maybe not so much pressure to believe as pressure to shut up.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613510 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>That was a really dopey assumption on RR's part.
And no doubt she does NOT bow her head or say grace prior to eating when out in her favorite restaurant.
And even if she does, you bowing your head along with her would not be "faking it" as RR claimed.
Hey, at least I admitted it was an assumption.

You should try it.

Remember yesterday? You claimed I don't know even ONE Canadian......

Fail.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613511 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well sure, some laws are secular. But a lot of our laws are based on Christian ethics, laws, morals or whatever you want to call it.
Why do you think polygamy is outlawed? It's against Christian morals.
Ever heard of the Declaration of Independence? I'm sure you have....
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitles them ...
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights ...
“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
You think polygamy is only against CHRISTIAN morals? LOL!!

Not to mention that MORMONS are Christian and Mormons most certainly do engage in polygamy, so so much for that clueless statement of yours.

The DOI is NOT a GOVERNING document and it never was and was never intended to be.

It was a STATEMENT simply DECLARING this country's independence from Great Britain.

And do YOU see where it states "NATURE'S" god? Who the HELL are you to claim that the Christian god is nature's god?

You are so clueless you don't get why it was called "nature's" god and NOT Christan's god, or Jew's god or anyone else's god!!

Who are you to say that the "Creator" refers to the Christian god?

Doesn't really matter though- since the DOI was never a governing document to begin with.

Apparently, you did not know that. Now you do.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#613512 Apr 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, at least I admitted it was an assumption.
You should try it.
Remember yesterday? You claimed I don't know even ONE Canadian......
Fail.
WhatEVER, RR. You constantly put down all other countries and their citizens.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613513 Apr 5, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Hold on a second, here. You have stated MANY times that while our GOVERNMENT is secular, Americans are NOT.
NOW you are trying to claim that our GOVERNMENT is NOT secular with your ridiculous claim that our laws are based on Christianity???
Um......laws are created by GOVERNMENT- that very same government you have insisted all along is SECULAR.
You really DID inhale paint fumes today, didn't you?
You take talking out of both sides of one's mouth to a whole new level, RR.
Let me be clear(er)...

SOME of ours laws are based on Christianity.(not all)

SOME of our laws are based on religion.(like Common Law is taken from an old Saxon religion)

SOME of laws are purely secular.(like speed limits)

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