Prove there's a god.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613391 Apr 4, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
RR just wants to believe what his world leads him to believe.
If he doesn't experience it, it must be foolish.
*sighs*
Another example of the closed minds within so-called "Christians".
Right.

You're the ones trying to play with definitions.

It's really simple:

Straight: Attraction to opposite sex.
Gay: Attraction to same sex.
Bi: Attraction to both sexes.

That's it. Period. You don't get to change them around. Maybe that guy you were talking about used to live a straight lifestyle, now he's living a gay lifestyle. But he's had personal relationships with both sexes, that makes him bisexual, not gay.

What's the big deal with that? Do you think bis are lower than gays or something?

Since: Sep 11

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#613392 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, feelings aren't fake.
Except to those that haven't felt them.
I doubt a 2 year old child understands what falling in love means. To them, it's fake.
To you, God is fake because you've never felt Him.
Feelings are not fake to people who haven't felt them. I don't think you know what fake means. Feelings may be alien to someone who has never felt them, but not fake.

God is not fake to me because "I haven't felt him." There is no evidence for him. Feeling him is evidence of feeling him, not evidence of him.

Aren't you tired of this? Please don't repeat yourself again.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#613393 Apr 4, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I've told this to RR several times- he refuses to believe it and comes back with his old tired refrain of: Then he wasn't really gay.
I guess I shouldn't find it so amazing that RR attempts to take all of the complexities of human sexuality and tries to make all of that black and white, but there you have it.
I'll ask you a simple question. Please give me a simple, RR style, answer.

How can a person that has (or has had) sex with both sexes not be bisexual?

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#613394 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, duder.
"Faking" a straight relationship (love, marriage, sex, kids, family vacations, home owning, yard work, laughs, kisses, live notes, etc, etc, etc) when one is supposedly gay is a pretty big attempt at fitting in....
About a year or so ago I posted that this guy came in to my church as a guest speaker talking about how he used to be gay but now that his sins were gone he was straight. The 4000 or so in the congregation cheered and clapped as he made a big deal about it and his wife and kids met him onstage. At the time I didn't clap, I didn't cheer. I didn't join in with my "brethren" regarding this guy's cure. I observed him and to me this guy still appeared gay. He still swished when he walked, his mannerisms were still feminine and quite frankly still acted and talked like many gays I know.(I have many friends that are gay and we always kid each other all the time so don't get all bent out of shape)
I remember looking at him and his smoking hot wife, his beautiful children and thinking, dude....." I don't believe you. You're lying to yourself and these people and your wife....."
I don't condone or condemn homosexuality, but for heavens sakes, just tell the damn truth.
I thought about the emotional distress this poor bastard was going through. With him Knowing that he was gay but yet trying to fit into what he saw as a "normal" society. Pretending to be "cured" to have a heterosexual relationship.

Parading his family in front of these unknown faces like some dog and pony show.

I prayed for him that evening. Not to be cured of his gayness, but for his emotional well being. The courage to defend his family against his emptiness of feeling like he didnt fully belong in any of those two societies.

I think of this guy often. I've forgotten his name but not his face, or his wife, or his children. I
Sincerely hope that he has been able to find peace in who he is.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#613395 Apr 4, 2013
Bongo wrote:
I would like to give honor to the beloved Buck Crik that famous interloper who unequivocally repudiated all topix atheists including the most highly educated ardent characters. This indigo child , former hog farmer and current recidivist while suffering from mental illness, made mockery of individuals including but not limited to Phd holders, Doctors, lawyers , mathmaticians , and physicists. The topix atheists could not deal with his truth logic and uncanny mastery of facts. He proved them to be prevaricators while ignoring their constant ad hominem attacks. Long Live Buck Crik
So you blow Buck on multiple channels aye?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#613396 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a monumental stretch to avoid ridicule.
That guy you know of isn't gay, he's bi.
No - he is gay.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#613397 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Right.
You're the ones trying to play with definitions.
It's really simple:
Straight: Attraction to opposite sex.
Gay: Attraction to same sex.
Bi: Attraction to both sexes.
That's it. Period. You don't get to change them around. Maybe that guy you were talking about used to live a straight lifestyle, now he's living a gay lifestyle. But he's had personal relationships with both sexes, that makes him bisexual, not gay.
What's the big deal with that? Do you think bis are lower than gays or something?
One could have like the opposite sex, and then realize they don't through actions.

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it not true.

You get to believe what you wnat, as do I, and if we can't agree....

- we'll agree to disagree.

Thanks for responding.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#613398 Apr 4, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
About a year or so ago I posted that this guy came in to my church as a guest speaker talking about how he used to be gay but now that his sins were gone he was straight. The 4000 or so in the congregation cheered and clapped as he made a big deal about it and his wife and kids met him onstage. At the time I didn't clap, I didn't cheer. I didn't join in with my "brethren" regarding this guy's cure. I observed him and to me this guy still appeared gay. He still swished when he walked, his mannerisms were still feminine and quite frankly still acted and talked like many gays I know.(I have many friends that are gay and we always kid each other all the time so don't get all bent out of shape)
I remember looking at him and his smoking hot wife, his beautiful children and thinking, dude....." I don't believe you. You're lying to yourself and these people and your wife....."
I don't condone or condemn homosexuality, but for heavens sakes, just tell the damn truth.
I thought about the emotional distress this poor bastard was going through. With him Knowing that he was gay but yet trying to fit into what he saw as a "normal" society. Pretending to be "cured" to have a heterosexual relationship.
Parading his family in front of these unknown faces like some dog and pony show.
I prayed for him that evening. Not to be cured of his gayness, but for his emotional well being. The courage to defend his family against his emptiness of feeling like he didnt fully belong in any of those two societies.
I think of this guy often. I've forgotten his name but not his face, or his wife, or his children. I
Sincerely hope that he has been able to find peace in who he is.
Did I tell you about my friend , who's wife left him for a gay preacher? His daughter told him everybody here has a boyfriend. lol

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#613399 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll ask you a simple question. Please give me a simple, RR style, answer.
How can a person that has (or has had) sex with both sexes not be bisexual?
They've stopped having sex with one of the genders and committed themselves to just one lifestyle.

Self.

Or possibly in your eyes - "God's predetermined plan".

Funny thing about this conundrum - it it either "God's plan" or "Self, but it can't be both.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#613400 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
A meltdown?
So early in the morning?
OCB...
lol....yeah...

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#613401 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Prove: Demonstrate the existence of something through evidence.
Simple, right?
Prove you love your mother.
Except when you show these asses empirical evidence from a University they still go on denying and ranting, "I'm RIGHT and everybody else is WRONG!" There's a bunch of these self-proclaimed *witches*(talk about looney) who are claimng they know better than the scientists at Berkeley. Some people just can't let go of a lie when it's worked so well on so many clueless people. Spreading lies and creating chaos is their goal in life. Gee, I thought listening to voices in your head was a bad thing, especially when they tell you to kill someone.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#613402 Apr 4, 2013
Bongo wrote:
I would like to give honor to the beloved Buck Crik that famous interloper who unequivocally repudiated all topix atheists including the most highly educated ardent characters. This indigo child , former hog farmer and current recidivist while suffering from mental illness, made mockery of individuals including but not limited to Phd holders, Doctors, lawyers , mathmaticians , and physicists. The topix atheists could not deal with his truth logic and uncanny mastery of facts. He proved them to be prevaricators while ignoring their constant ad hominem attacks. Long Live Buck Crik
Is that a preface to your "Long live the king!" announcement?
nurface

Barbourville, KY

#613403 Apr 4, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, if they wanted to be a pedant and ignore all the other evidence that love is a human emotion. I didn't say that subjective experience was the only evidence we had. It doesn't matter anyway. You are missing the point. If I were to "feel god," that would simply prove that I have felt god. It would not mean that god exists.
Hmmm,, so if you ''were to feel God''(subject being God) that would mean God is real...?

So how can you say that doesnt mean that he exist?? im cornfused on that...js

That would be saying the same as being outside and say if i were to ''feel cold'',, does that make coldness not exist??

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#613404 Apr 4, 2013
Or a "prologue", whatever.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#613405 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>An, the Ohio state motto....

I bet you don't even know what it means...
Sure I do.

It means with god, all things are possible.

But since rational people know that all things are not possible, making that a false statement, I'm sure you have SOME way to twist the meaning to suit your beliefs.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#613406 Apr 4, 2013
RUDY MCGILLVRAY wrote:
<quoted text>God is NOT a hermaphrodite, he is beyond sex, and is gender equal, you terrible, liberal, excuse for a human being.
How do you know.

He did Mary.
nurface

Barbourville, KY

#613407 Apr 4, 2013
Does God Exist - A Philosophical Issue
Before we ask the question "Does God exist?" we first have to deal with our philosophical predispositions. If, for example, I am already dedicated to the philosophical idea that nothing can exist outside of the natural realm (i.e. there can be no supernatural God), no amount of evidence could convince me otherwise. Asking the question "does God exist?" would be pointless. My answer would be "No, He doesn't," regardless of whether God truly exists or not. The question would be impossible to answer from an evidentiary standpoint simply because anything which God might have done (that is, any supernatural act which might serve as evidence for His existence) would have to be explained away in terms of natural causes, not because we know what those natural causes could possibly be, but simply because a supernatural God is not allowed to exist!

Dr. Richard Lewontin, the Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology at Harvard University, put it like this: "It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door" (Richard Lewontin, "Billions and Billions of Demons," New York Review of Books, January 9, 1997, p. 28).

If, on the other hand, I were neutral, and didn't already have an "a priori adherence" to a particular worldview (be it naturalistic or otherwise), the question "does God really exist?" wouldn't be pointless at all. Rather, it would be the first step in an objective and meaningful search for ultimate truth. Our willingness to ask the question with an open mind is fundamental to our ability to discover the truth behind the answer. So first of all, before you even ask the question, decide whether or not you're really willing to accept the answer.

continued;

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#613408 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Then your first cousin isn't gay.

She can't be.

How the hell does a real lesbian have sex with a men (or men)??

A: They don't. Bisexuals do.

Your first cousin is bisexual.
It's my first cousin's daughter.

And you can't honestly believe that the physical act of hetero sex is impossible.

(I know you can believe that, because you believe all sorts of idiotic things. Just sayin')

I suppose you must believe that it's impossible for a lesbian to be raped by a man, right?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#613409 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Then your first cousin isn't gay.

She can't be.

How the hell does a real lesbian have sex with a men (or men)??

A: They don't. Bisexuals do.

Your first cousin is bisexual.
Btw, she got married because she knew how her father felt and she was afraid of him.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#613410 Apr 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm here as a public service.
You're here as a pubic service.
OCB's more of a purgative.

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