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#611256 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You think this is all evidence of intellect? You should get out more. She's a moron, plain and simple.
That's wedicuwus!

She don't even live in Utah!
Rosa Winkel

Surry Hills, Australia

#611257 Mar 18, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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god sucks lemons
GTH troll.

“let's do this thang!”

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#611258 Mar 18, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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god sucks lemons
yes! the influential god of those who are unredeemed in this world is one sour & smarmy bastard!
Rosa Winkel

Surry Hills, Australia

#611259 Mar 18, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
May god suck-me!
Go and suck on the car exhaust.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#611260 Mar 18, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>That's not snot...
That snot snot!

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

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#611261 Mar 18, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>The health care (so-called) "system" in this country will have a bigger impact on this country than that. Consider these facts;
Americans spend twice as much on health care per capita than any other country in the world; in fact according to a series of studies by the consulting firm McKinsey & Co, the US spends more on health care than the next 10 biggest spenders combined: Japan, Germany, France, China, the U.K., Italy, Canada, Brazil, Spain, and Australia.
Despite that, we rank dead last in terms of quality of care among industrialized countries, and Americans are far sicker and live shorter lives than people in other nations.
65% of all Americans are fat and overweight. The majority of this is preventable by simply changing simple life style choices.
A review of U.S. healthcare expenses by the Institutes of Medicine last year revealed that 30 cents of every dollar spent on medical care is wasted, adding up to $750 billion annually. Exorbitant hospital costs are a leading cause of this overspending.
According to a 2011 report by the global consulting firm Milliman, annual healthcare costs for the average American family of four, if covered by a preferred provider organization, is still a staggering $19,3933.
As opposed to other countries, American laws prevent the government from restraining drug prices. Federal law even prevents the single largest drug buyer - Medicare - from negotiating drug prices.
75% of all health care goes to preventable disease.
Overall, Americans pay 50 percent more than other countries for identical drugs. This year alone, the US will spend more than $280 billion on prescription drugs. If Americans paid the same prices other countries pay for the same products, we’d save about $94 billion a year.
I am now convinced that Obamacare is not the answer. Making this system more accessible by passing costs to taxpayers will simply spread its failures more broadly. The US does not have a health care system; we have a disease-management system that is dependent on expensive drugs and invasive surgeries. It’s a system rooted in an ideal of maximized profits, opposed to actually helping people maintain or regain their health. The people causing this problem are the big pharmaceutical companies, the insurance companies, and politicians (who are paid to turn a blind eye and keep things this way). Until we, as a country, stand up and remove them from the decision making process, things will just keep getting worse until eventually it, and the country, will all collapse.
CNN did a really good documentary about this called "Escape Fire: The Fight to Rescue American Healthcare" which can be downloaded and watched here;
http://escapefiremovie.com/watch-online
Mylan I am sure you feel driven by righteous cause , but you are as deluded as the fundies thinking the government is going to provide you with what you want, instead you are going to get something broken and unfixable, and worse controls nobody wants.

The best solutions have always, and I do mean always .
Have come from free market enterprise and innovative thinking , something the controls have never been able to conquer.

This country is headed for war, you wont like who you will be fighting. The fighting will be in your neighborhood, and the fighting wont be because anyone wanted healthcare, or any of the reasons you think. It will be because freedom is a stain that patriots have carried with them since the very conception of these United States, and our Constitution is not going to change because
you think you can out think the reasons the rules were written to begin with.

Yes we will , and yes we can. But are you ready?
We are.

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#611262 Mar 18, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Similar thoughts have occurred to me.
As an object nears an event horizon, the dilation it's subjected to increases.
At the event horizon, the dilation is infinite.
From a distant observer's point-of-view, the object never makes it to the event horizon. It only continues to get dimmer and farther away. Time, for the object, from the observer's perspective, is “ticking by” very, very slowly... and slowing further, asymptotically toward infinite dilation.
The object “red shifts” out of existence... so to speak.
There will always be infinite distance between an object, or an observer, and an event horizon. If someone tries to bounce radar signals off a black hole, they will wait forever for a return signal... regardless if they travel toward or away from the black hole.
Using radar, or any direct method of measure, like a tape measure or length of rope, will yield the same reading for all black holes. IOW... no matter where the observer is in the universe, and no matter where the black holes are... they're each and all... always... separated by an infinite distance (as far as direct measurement goes).
It's closer to an object, like a star, that's farther away than a black hole than it is to the black hole.
That's weird!

Yes it has the greatest thinkers ever to even think, all of them thinking still. Eventually there may be a definitive answer.
I think black holes are the attempt of space to return to the ground state.

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#611263 Mar 18, 2013
LargeLanguage wrote:
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How can you prove this?
First we must conquer ability to transverse massive distances of space, It's not likely we will very soon.
We will have to learn to create worm holes or fold space before we could even attempt to prove such things. But that does not stop great minds from thinking, and thinking was the strong point of our race.

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#611264 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You think this is all evidence of intellect? You should get out more. She's a moron, plain and simple.

What makes you say that? What specifically do you base this determination upon? She does not have to do anything you agree with
to still be considered very very successful and popular, which both she indeed is. Also she is my idea of a perfect woman, so how do you demonize that? What is it that about her that irks you?
Shes got the rack!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#611265 Mar 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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What makes you say that? What specifically do you base this determination upon? She does not have to do anything you agree with
to still be considered very very successful and popular, which both she indeed is. Also she is my idea of a perfect woman, so how do you demonize that? What is it that about her that irks you?
Shes got the rack!
She's every man's dream shugga momma!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#611266 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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299,792,458 is a number. He asked what number. I answered.
He said that light speed is constant. In a vacuum, he's correct. But the universe is not made of a vacuum.
Most of it is close enough to being a vacuum that it doesn't matter when dealing with the speed of light.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#611267 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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He didn't say it was evidence of an intellect, he said it is not the resume of a person you can call stupid.
And he's right.
Granted, but it doesn't change what I stated, she's stupid.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#611268 Mar 18, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Most of it is close enough to being a vacuum that it doesn't matter when dealing with the speed of light.
Just let him go, Poly.

Apologies for dragging you guys into it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#611269 Mar 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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What makes you say that? What specifically do you base this determination upon? She does not have to do anything you agree with
to still be considered very very successful and popular, which both she indeed is. Also she is my idea of a perfect woman, so how do you demonize that? What is it that about her that irks you?
Shes got the rack!
Have you heard her speak? She's a moron. Plain and simple. She cannot enunciate well, and without a pre-written speech she flusters and can't even come up with anything coherent, much less evidence based. She says one thing and does another. She's a disgrace to all women, any woman who would aspire to be a breeder like her is insane.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#611270 Mar 18, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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That's wedicuwus!
She don't even live in Utah!
But she probably does have the magic underwear.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#611271 Mar 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Something hovers on the edge , they say forever.
Not sure about forever, but they say it can never go in.
A *lot* of care is required when discussing black holes. A lot depends on the observer, so it is important to state which observer is doing the measurements.

So, let's set up an experiment: two observers, one stays at a 'fixed distance' from the black hole and the other falls in. Both have clocks that emit a signal at regular intervals (according to the local frame of reference). All will be analyzed using general relativity (quantum aspects are not relevant at this point). Let's also assume a supermassive black hole like that at the center of the Milky Way galaxy.

The 'outside' observer sees the other as falling inward with a signal that is red-shifted more and more and taking longer and longer to for the clock to 'tick'. Eventually, there is a 'last click' that is very red-shifted but that comes from just before the event horizon. A very good telescope would continue see a very red-shifted image of the falling twin just outside the event horizon.

The falling observer, on the other hand, has no issues and passes through the event horizon with little trouble. For a supermassive black hole the curvature at the event horizon is not that large and the tidal forces are survivable even for humans. Unfortunately, as this observer falls more, the curvature increases and s/he is pulled apart by tidal forces before reaching the 'center' of the black hole. This part is not seen at all by the outside observer.

“Think&Care”

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#611272 Mar 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Nope, it's a holographic memory of everything that ever passed through it.
It's entropy stays there forever.
That's our best bet. The problem is that quantum effects are more relevant here than in the previous discussion and we simply don't have a good quantum theory of gravity.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#611273 Mar 18, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Most of it is close enough to being a vacuum that it doesn't matter when dealing with the speed of light.
I have a question you might find interesting.

Do you think that the reason that we can not see the farthest reaches of the universe might be because the speed at the far points may be traveling faster than the speed of light...and that may be why we can not see the return of the spectrum?

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

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#611274 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Have you heard her speak? She's a moron. Plain and simple. She cannot enunciate well, and without a pre-written speech she flusters and can't even come up with anything coherent, much less evidence based. She says one thing and does another. She's a disgrace to all women, any woman who would aspire to be a breeder like her is insane.
Ok all you have to say is you don't like her, but realize your opinion is not the opinion of us all. In fact I like her better than any of her contemporaries, on either side of the wall.
But that doesn't mean I place every hope and wish in her, it just means I think it would be better if more politicians were more like her. I tend not to like many of them, for obvious reasons, but she seems to live in our world, and not some assholes elite delusional perception of what they want it to be.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#611275 Mar 18, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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That's our best bet. The problem is that quantum effects are more relevant here than in the previous discussion and we simply don't have a good quantum theory of gravity.
Does gravity really play that big of a role on the quantum level? I mean, considering it is the weakest of the four forces it would not be a huge assumption to state that there's probably more than gravity at work in such situations as black holes, would it not?

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