Prove there's a god.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#608895 Mar 8, 2013
The Last True Liberal wrote:
I just wanted to shove this into the faces of all you gu-hating idiots. And this is from the parent network of your favorite propagand outlet MSNBC:
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-adm...
So that it was "only" handguns makes it all okay?

"They say now that there were actually four handguns inside the school, not just two as we were initially told. Four handguns and apparently only handguns that were taken into the school."

There should be a BAN on HANDGUNS along with a BAN on ASSAULT RIFLES!

Peace through superior firepower- what a JOKE!!
USG

Saint Louis, MO

#608896 Mar 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting post and I agree with much of what you say; however, I don't see how a living organism being created from dust supports evolution since the first living organism was surely not created from dust nor did modern man (and Adam IS portrayed in the bible as a 100% modern man and not as a Cro-Magnon or Neanderthal or any hominid which came before)come to be within the blink of an eye which is also pretty much how the bible portrays god creating the first man.
And yes, of course the bible leans toward a male superiority attitude- it was written by men who perceived women as lowly because everyone did at the time the bible was written.
I find the bible repulsive not only due to that, but also due to the incredible amount of blood, gore and violence to be found within the pages of the...ahem...."good" book.
But what I find most repulsive is how self-contradictory the god of the bible is along with being vengeful, vindictive, wrathful, petty, jealous, mean and spiteful.
Sorry, but imo, only a masochist could describe the god of the bible as "loving".
While I don't believe in the Bible, I don't find that to be proof in itself that there isn't a higher power. I am actually a very spiritual person and have had experiences that would prove at least in my mind that there is something else out there.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#608897 Mar 8, 2013
USG wrote:
<quoted text>
You say the first living organism was not created from dust, yet you would have to believe that life was birthed from this planet. Otherwise, the only other explanation would be that it was created from something else.
Are the oceans not of this planet?
USG

Saint Louis, MO

#608898 Mar 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting post and I agree with much of what you say; however, I don't see how a living organism being created from dust supports evolution since the first living organism was surely not created from dust nor did modern man (and Adam IS portrayed in the bible as a 100% modern man and not as a Cro-Magnon or Neanderthal or any hominid which came before)come to be within the blink of an eye which is also pretty much how the bible portrays god creating the first man.
And yes, of course the bible leans toward a male superiority attitude- it was written by men who perceived women as lowly because everyone did at the time the bible was written.
I find the bible repulsive not only due to that, but also due to the incredible amount of blood, gore and violence to be found within the pages of the...ahem...."good" book.
But what I find most repulsive is how self-contradictory the god of the bible is along with being vengeful, vindictive, wrathful, petty, jealous, mean and spiteful.
Sorry, but imo, only a masochist could describe the god of the bible as "loving".
The other thing that you elude to is that in the Bible Adam was formed instantaneously and that he was instantly the modern man. The bible also states that the world/universe was created in 7 days. Time as we know it (1 day) is based on the revolving of the earth. 1 day to us could be 1 hour on Jupiter (I'm not sure the exact number), but my point is 1 day in the Bible really could be a day in the universe and for all we know that could be 100 million years. I find this verse of the bible the most interesting and I definately look at it metaphorically since I believe that if life was formed, however micro the organism, it was formed in the universe not just Earth.

As long as a planet can support life, there will be life there and it will evolve over time.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#608899 Mar 8, 2013
USG wrote:
<quoted text>
While I don't believe in the Bible, I don't find that to be proof in itself that there isn't a higher power. I am actually a very spiritual person and have had experiences that would prove at least in my mind that there is something else out there.
I agree. I very strongly tend to think there is a higher power and I am also a very spiritual person.

But of course, being religious and being spiritual are two separate and distinct things.

Also, IF there is a god, it is not that god which created religion, but mankind as religion is an invention of mankind and not of any god which might exist.

Personally, my beliefs are closer and more aligned to Deism than any other religious belief and Deism really is much more of a spiritual belief than it is a religious belief.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#608900 Mar 8, 2013
The Last True Liberal wrote:
And this is from the parent network of your favorite propagand outlet MSNBC:
So then wouldn't that make your link propaganda too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Eleme...

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#608902 Mar 8, 2013
The Last True Liberal wrote:
I just wanted to shove this into the faces of all you gu-hating idiots. And this is from the parent network of your favorite propagand outlet MSNBC:
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-adm...

I think this guy sums it up perfectly.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#608903 Mar 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
There should be a BAN on HANDGUNS along with a BAN on ASSAULT RIFLES!
Yes, but that would make too much sense.
endtime

AOL

#608904 Mar 8, 2013
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USG

Saint Louis, MO

#608905 Mar 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. I very strongly tend to think there is a higher power and I am also a very spiritual person.
But of course, being religious and being spiritual are two separate and distinct things.
Also, IF there is a god, it is not that god which created religion, but mankind as religion is an invention of mankind and not of any god which might exist.
Personally, my beliefs are closer and more aligned to Deism than any other religious belief and Deism really is much more of a spiritual belief than it is a religious belief.
Absolutely, just because you are spiritual it would not mean that you are religious.
There's good and bad with religion. I grew up with a Buddhist mother and a Catholic father. Neither one was really deep in their faith, it was just something they both grew up knowing. Not that Buddhism is a religion necessarily.
I just have too many questions that religions can't answer, but I do feel like science doesn't have all the answers either.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#608906 Mar 8, 2013
USG wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely, just because you are spiritual it would not mean that you are religious.
There's good and bad with religion. I grew up with a Buddhist mother and a Catholic father. Neither one was really deep in their faith, it was just something they both grew up knowing. Not that Buddhism is a religion necessarily.
I just have too many questions that religions can't answer, but I do feel like science doesn't have all the answers either.
Science does not have all the answers and doesn't claim to. Most religions- and Christianity in particular- seem to think they do have all the answers and also claim to have all the answers.

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#608907 Mar 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>So that it was "only" handguns makes it all okay?
"They say now that there were actually four handguns inside the school, not just two as we were initially told. Four handguns and apparently only handguns that were taken into the school."
There should be a BAN on HANDGUNS along with a BAN on ASSAULT RIFLES!
Peace through superior firepower- what a JOKE!!
Nothing makes killing children ok, OK?
But it does show somebody's lying, and could be about much more of the story.
As your personal objection to firearms is highly noted.
Now explain what part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

(((James Madison's Usage
The Second Amendment's "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" language is exactly what was proposed as the first clause of the amendment by James Madison on June 8, 1789. In addition to that "infringe" based language, Madison also included this freedom of religion related protection in his Bill of Rights proposals to Congress:“nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.”[The Origin of the Second Amendment p.654]

Assuming that Madison's intention in preventing religious liberty from being “infringed” was to allow for considerable "reasonable" regulation by the federal government is illogical. In fact, it is clear that the intent of such language was to prevent any interference whatsoever by the government in such matters. The later change to “Congress shall make no laws” language buttresses this period understanding of "infringe" based protection.)))

http://onsecondopinion.blogspot.com/2009/02/m...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#608908 Mar 8, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
Layman's terms.
Imagine the Universe as sand. Nothing but sand.
This sand can replace what it really is, unobservable energy. We can at least observe sand.
So now with this sand we can create forms. Heck, we can build sand castles. We can shape anything out of this sand. We can form anything, but it holds no substance and will collapse back into itself.
It is the menisfestation of the sand "energy" which creates the illusion of objects.
If the universe was sand, the Earth would be one single grain on the entire length of Hawaiian beach.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#608909 Mar 8, 2013
USG wrote:
<quoted text>
The other thing that you elude to is that in the Bible Adam was formed instantaneously and that he was instantly the modern man. The bible also states that the world/universe was created in 7 days. Time as we know it (1 day) is based on the revolving of the earth. 1 day to us could be 1 hour on Jupiter (I'm not sure the exact number), but my point is 1 day in the Bible really could be a day in the universe and for all we know that could be 100 million years. I find this verse of the bible the most interesting and I definately look at it metaphorically since I believe that if life was formed, however micro the organism, it was formed in the universe not just Earth.
As long as a planet can support life, there will be life there and it will evolve over time.
You still have the incorrect order of events, not only incorrect, but impossible. Not matter how much you apologize for the bible's inconsistencies, it's still wrong.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#608910 Mar 8, 2013
Do you think that a thrill killer ( and there have been many ) or someone who takes the life of another human being believes in God? I mean, how can you believe in God and take the life of someone over a jacket or a pair of glasses or because they want to rape a woman or even a little bit of money? Seriously. Can any of you tell me that?
Hmmm. Interesting that my image numbers to post this are 6663. 666?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#608911 Mar 8, 2013
Poo-Bear wrote:
Do you think that a thrill killer ( and there have been many ) or someone who takes the life of another human being believes in God? I mean, how can you believe in God and take the life of someone over a jacket or a pair of glasses or because they want to rape a woman or even a little bit of money? Seriously. Can any of you tell me that?
Hmmm. Interesting that my image numbers to post this are 6663. 666?
The christian god offers a "get out of jail free" card, so yes, most do. You have to be delusional to oppress the natural instinct of not killing without reason, without a delusion to fuel it, like a god delusion for example, you have nothing to sate the guilt, nothing to counter the instinct of preserving the species.

How can someone who believes in a god kill for no valid reason? Simple, they just have to be forgiven by the god, or believe that they'll be forgiven just for believing. That's the christian faith for you, you just have to believe, or at least claim you do, according to your bible. An atheist has no easy out, if one of us kills, we have to deal with the guilt, even when there is a valid reason for it.
USG

Saint Louis, MO

#608912 Mar 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You still have the incorrect order of events, not only incorrect, but impossible. Not matter how much you apologize for the bible's inconsistencies, it's still wrong.
I don't think I listed any order of events... where did I apologize for anything?

What exactly are you saying is impossible?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#608913 Mar 8, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>So basically you're admitting that you're close-minded?
You didn't have to confirm it.
Yup.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#608914 Mar 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>So that it was "only" handguns makes it all okay?
"They say now that there were actually four handguns inside the school, not just two as we were initially told. Four handguns and apparently only handguns that were taken into the school."
There should be a BAN on HANDGUNS along with a BAN on ASSAULT RIFLES!
Peace through superior firepower- what a JOKE!!
Too bad for you that our Constitution prevents your pipe dreams....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#608915 Mar 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. I very strongly tend to think there is a higher power and I am also a very spiritual person.
But of course, being religious and being spiritual are two separate and distinct things.
Also, IF there is a god, it is not that god which created religion, but mankind as religion is an invention of mankind and not of any god which might exist.
Personally, my beliefs are closer and more aligned to Deism than any other religious belief and Deism really is much more of a spiritual belief than it is a religious belief.
Just how would mankind know to create a religion about "IF god"?

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