Prove there's a god.

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#605830 Feb 25, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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The Churches of Christ are still waiting for your arrival. It's been a long time since I seen your avatar face, hope all is well. Don't delay as we never know when death will come and then it will be to late to be saved, so go to the nearest Church of Christ and get right with God so you to can have the promise of a home in heaven instead of eternal seperation from God.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#605831 Feb 25, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Can you disprove him, uneducated moron? You can't buy our honesty, like you tried with your children, RR!
If you didn't notice, I did NOT try to disprove him......

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#605832 Feb 25, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Oh don't be so literal.
Correct grammar I used actually, what they do according to you, is not say that! Apparently you are smart enough and know it all so much to determine what is wise, and what is not, apparently.
"The fool is wise in his own eyes". The bible says that.
Close.

"There is more hope for fools than for people who think they are wise." Proverbs 26:12.

I remember you arguing that you are wise (becuase of your age).

Who's the fool now?

Since: Apr 09

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#605833 Feb 25, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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why? is there an elaborate book compiled throughout the ages about a leprachaun who claims to have perfectly represent God and who took the penalty for the evils of all humaity upon Himself and who's testimony was established by many witnesses?
if not, why should we care about proving leprechauns???
how about you proving to me that there are no Jews or Christians and a consequent God of them?
So what you're saying is that you cannot prove Leprechauns don't exist?

Why is that?

Oh right - because one cannot prove a negative.

If someone is claiming something exists, then that someone should be able to prove it.

So, back to the topic of this discussion:

Prove there's a god.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#605834 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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How is it that you turn a swat on the butt spanking to violence?
There is a HUGE difference between a spanking and a beating.
Spanking is discipline, beating is child abuse.
Did I make a comparison between spanking and beating? No. But I did point out that spanking is physical violence. Like I said, teach your kid that hitting is OK, and they are going to do it themselves. Spanking is a just a sign of a lack of parental skills IMHO. Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#605835 Feb 25, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>No one need be a parent to know that using corporal punishment is not only child abuse, it teaches nothing other than perhaps fear and possibly resentment and even hatred for the parent doing the hitting.
One can't teach their children on the one hand that violence is wrong and then on the other hand use violence. Talk about sending a mixed message and very likely creating confusion within the child.
And sorry- even a swat on the tush or a slap across the face IS violence, Al and is done with the intention of if not actually physically hurting the child, to at the very least cause them discomfort and humiliation.
For way too many parents, it is easier and takes less patience (and really none at all) to HIT rather than to actually take the time to sit down and TALK with the child to EXPLAIN why their behavior or actions were wrong.
To perpetrate violence against one's OWN children is really no different than someone who perpetrates violence against ALL children.
That is your view and I can respect that. However, I don't believe that a spanking is abuse, or causes resentment. Can it create fear? Sure, of course. Fear of disobeying. Fear of disrespecting a parent?.
Fear of breaking established rules.?
Setting a very real consequence?
Sure.
I know that not everyone will agree with this.
But I grew up in a household where I never disrespected my mother or father. Everything was yes sir or no sir. Yes ma'am or no ma'am. I understood from the beginning that my parents were the authority at home and they loved my with all their heart and to disobey them, talk back, or raise my voice just was not done.

I was spanked on a few occasions (as were my brothers and sister) but at no time did we ever resent my parents or felt humiliated as we clearly
understood the rules and the consequences for not willingly following them.
My parents were and continue to be strong examples and pillars in my life to teach me how I want to be when I reach my old age.

I believe that my parents were fair and balanced.
To this day at my age I still do not talk back to them even though I don't fear a spanking.

I raised my own children in the same manner and they have grown to be intelligent, hapoy and well balanced adults with no fear (from abuse) from me. I am very proud of their accomplishments in their early adult lives.

I did spank them less than a handful of times in the beginning, but they realized that spanking was the exception and not the rule. They learned that I loved them with all my heart and that I respected them and they in turn respected in return.
They knew that if they received a spanking it was because they had knowingly crossed all the warning lines and the end result was of their own makings.

They do not fear me. They do not feel humiliated.
They also knew that as my parents were strict, fair, balanced and loving towards me; I was also to my children as well.

Since: Apr 09

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#605836 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"impossible to prove a negative"
'_'
God is a negative?
Prove it.
So you were not telling the truth about being able to prove Leprechauns don't exist.

Yeah...I know.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#605837 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Fallacy of false dichotomy.
Try again.
Only this time, don't go off of the assumption that I expect anyone to disprove what I believe.
You can easily prove me wrong. Simply cite some objective evidence that the specific deity you believe in exists. For extra points, you can also cite more objective evidence that the Bible is the inspired word of this deity.

Since: Apr 09

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#605838 Feb 25, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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He means 0, when he means negetive, something you didn't pick up, despite the fact that you say I made no sense.
That's not what I meant...and leave me out of your bizarre little fight with Redneck.

Except for the god thing, I mostly agree with him...

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#605839 Feb 25, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> The Churches of Christ are still waiting for your arrival. It's been a long time since I seen your avatar face, hope all is well. Don't delay as we never know when death will come and then it will be to late to be saved, so go to the nearest Church of Christ and get right with God so you to can have the promise of a home in heaven instead of eternal seperation from God.
Thank you for your interest in my soul. I'm currently vetting applicants right now from thousands of other deities. Please submit the objective evidence for your deity, the reason for it's interest, and ideological breakdown to my PO box and I will get back to you.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#605840 Feb 25, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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So what you're saying is that you cannot prove Leprechauns don't exist?
Why is that?
Oh right - because one cannot prove a negative.
If someone is claiming something exists, then that someone should be able to prove it.
So, back to the topic of this discussion:
Prove there's a god.
C'mon Just, you know you won't get a rational discussion from waaas. He is only here to cruise chicks behind his wife's back in the name of Christ.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#605841 Feb 25, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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C'mon Just, you know you won't get a rational discussion from waaas. He is only here to cruise chicks behind his wife's back in the name of Christ.
ROFL!

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#605842 Feb 25, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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That is your view and I can respect that. However, I don't believe that a spanking is abuse, or causes resentment. Can it create fear? Sure, of course. Fear of disobeying. Fear of disrespecting a parent?.
Fear of breaking established rules.?
Setting a very real consequence?
Sure.
I know that not everyone will agree with this.
But I grew up in a household where I never disrespected my mother or father. Everything was yes sir or no sir. Yes ma'am or no ma'am. I understood from the beginning that my parents were the authority at home and they loved my with all their heart and to disobey them, talk back, or raise my voice just was not done.
I was spanked on a few occasions (as were my brothers and sister) but at no time did we ever resent my parents or felt humiliated as we clearly
understood the rules and the consequences for not willingly following them.
My parents were and continue to be strong examples and pillars in my life to teach me how I want to be when I reach my old age.
I believe that my parents were fair and balanced.
To this day at my age I still do not talk back to them even though I don't fear a spanking.
I raised my own children in the same manner and they have grown to be intelligent, hapoy and well balanced adults with no fear (from abuse) from me. I am very proud of their accomplishments in their early adult lives.
I did spank them less than a handful of times in the beginning, but they realized that spanking was the exception and not the rule. They learned that I loved them with all my heart and that I respected them and they in turn respected in return.
They knew that if they received a spanking it was because they had knowingly crossed all the warning lines and the end result was of their own makings.
They do not fear me. They do not feel humiliated.
They also knew that as my parents were strict, fair, balanced and loving towards me; I was also to my children as well.
Great post!

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#605843 Feb 25, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> The Churches of Christ are still waiting for your arrival. It's been a long time since I seen your avatar face, hope all is well. Don't delay as we never know when death will come and then it will be to late to be saved, so go to the nearest Church of Christ and get right with God so you to can have the promise of a home in heaven instead of eternal seperation from God.
PS - I'm curious: why would I have to sign up before I die? Is death outside of your deity's jurisdiction? If your deity is omnipotent and interested in my soul, I see no logical reason why I can't just make that decision after I'm dead.

Since: Jul 10

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#605844 Feb 25, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Here is how it works: those who expect other people to disprove what they choose to believe usually means that their belief isn't founded in reality. Otherwise they'd promptly and proudly produce the objective evidence which would prove them right.
I always wondered what your problem was when I asked for proof and you never got back with me, thanks for clearing that up.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605845 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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How is it that you turn a swat on the butt spanking to violence?
There is a HUGE difference between a spanking and a beating.
Spanking is discipline, beating is child abuse.
A swat hurts, and is meant to inflict pain with physical force, that is what violence means. How is spanking discipline? Causing children to fear their parents is not discipline, RR.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605846 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Fallacy of false dichotomy.
Try again.
Only this time, don't go off of the assumption that I expect
anyone to disprove what I believe.
And this is you saying this, yeah right!
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605847 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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OMG....
Posting to you is getting quite dull.
Zero is not a negative, moron.
Of course it isn't, but he got what he meant across.
Being literal is your only arguement, excuse, or attack, RR.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605848 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, I see. In your opinion, "inflicting pain = abuse".
Using fear IS a great way to train young children.
Not fear of pain, but fear of consequences.
Sometimes a "time out" works, sometimes talking it out works, sometimes a spanking works. It all depends on the child AND the "crime".
When you say consequences, it doesn't, it doesn't teach them to fear the consequences that could naturally happen, RR, but only to fear the pain they get off spanking. And when you say depending on the crime, that will teach the child they deserve to be hurt, when they do get hurt, and to blame themselves, rather than their mistakes. It also teaches them to view morals and restrictions, guidelines ect, as restrictions, and not appreciate the meaning behind it.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605849 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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If you didn't notice, I did NOT try to disprove him......
I meant prove him.

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