Prove there's a god.

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#605097 Feb 23, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
You are dumb!
No, actually you are and he is correct. It's very easy to verify what he said. Just search about Durante Alighieri's (better known as Dante) book called "The Divine Comedy", which had a section called "The Inferno", and how the church reacted to it, plus the garbage dumps outside of the old City of Jerusalem and their customs. Don't 'cha just love history?

“design is God's trademark”

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#605098 Feb 23, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Your argument makes no sense. Here's what your saying:
You believe in god.
You know creation is real.
Therefore, god exists because creation is real and something must have created it.
There is no proven causality.
Again - prove your god exists.
oh but there is a proven 'causality'.

the cause of progressing generations of mankind.
the cause of love and joy and blessings of life.
the cause of unfolding ever fulfilling provable prophecy that says
His will..........WILL be done.
the cause of mankind.

the system of nature, the perfection in God's design, the journey's end.

there is very much causality. It is called purpose.

If you can't look at the vast universe in its glory, if you can't see the detailed design in a flower, the vast complexity in life,
and not know there is a Creator, then the problem is not that there is no visable proof, the problem is that your vision is clouded by humanistic, philosophical, doctrines of this world.
you are spiritually blinded.

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#605099 Feb 23, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
She has Jesus all over her house and a paint by numbers painting of Jesus and one of the last supper in her bedroom.
Very sorry to hear that you were raised in that type of a family, but at least you were smart enough and able to see past it, and not get sucked into that delusion yourself. My father had a painting like that too in his bedroom. The day after he died it "somehow" ended up in the trash, along with many religious statues, and they are now "blessing" some garbage dump where they belong.

I put up a picture of Tweety bird in it's place.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79...

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#605100 Feb 23, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> There is plenty of proof, manuscripts, Archaeological findings, eyewitnesses and more.
Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability
by Matt Slick
The New Testament is constantly under attack and its reliability and accuracy are often contested by critics. But, if the critics want to disregard the New Testament, then they must also disregard other ancient writings by Plato, Aristotle, and Homer. This is because the New Testament documents are better-preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings. Because they are so numerous, they can be cross checked for accuracy... and they are very consistent.
There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament.1 If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity.2
Author
Date
Written
Earliest Copy
Approximate Time Span between original & copy
Number of Copies
Accuracy of Copies
Lucretius
died 55 or 53 B.C.
1100 yrs
2
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Pliny
61-113 A.D.
850 A.D.
750 yrs
7
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Plato
427-347 B.C.
900 A.D.
1200 yrs
7
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Demosthenes
4th Cent. B.C.
1100 A.D.
800 yrs
8
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Herodotus
480-425 B.C.
900 A.D.
1300 yrs
8
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Suetonius
75-160 A.D.
950 A.D.
800 yrs
8
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Thucydides
460-400 B.C.
900 A.D.
1300 yrs
8
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Euripides
480-406 B.C.
1100 A.D.
1300 yrs
9
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Aristophanes
450-385 B.C.
900 A.D.
1200
10
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Caesar
100-44 B.C.
900 A.D.
1000
10
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Livy
59 BC-AD 17
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???
20
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Tacitus
circa 100 A.D.
1100 A.D.
1000 yrs
20
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Aristotle
384-322 B.C.
1100 A.D.
1400
49
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Sophocles
496-406 B.C.
1000 A.D.
1400 yrs
193
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Homer (Iliad)
900 B.C.
400 B.C.
500 yrs
643
95%
New
Testament
1st Cent. A.D.(50-100 A.D.
2nd Cent. A.D.
(c. 130 A.D. f.)
less than 100 years
5600
99.5%
As you can see, there are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000.
Sorry, quoting Matt Slick doesn't win you any points. He and I have corresponded and he is very 'slick' at saying absolutely nothing.

None of the evidence you mention above has actually ever been found. Claims by some people that certain artifacts proves something from the Bible does not prove the story. At the very most some 'might' confirm that certain groups of people existed where those weree found at some determined time in the past, but they do not prove anything of a supernatural nature such as the existence of a god, or miracles being performed.

I am thinking now thqat you must be Patty, because she is about the only person here who keeps repeating the stuff you posted after being successfully proven wrong thousands of times.

If the evidence existed, which you claim, we would not be having this debate. It would serve no purpose.

So what if documents we used today have some of the same info as documents that were hidden around or at the time of their writings. Would you expect they wouldn't?

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#605101 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Her, for such a well documented fact, said documents are impossible to find.
Finding, and understanding are two totally different things in your case. No doubt caused by your delusion.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605102 Feb 23, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Naturally I can't 'prove' that it existed in his vocabulary, but I was referring to the period in which believers tend to think that the stories of the Abrahamic God, or the events from those stories, took place, which to the New Earth proponents is somewhere around 6000 years ago with the actual written accounts dating back maybe 3000 or 4000 years.
Except that there appears to be independent records of writings prior to the "coming of Jesus" I could quickly believe that all of the Old Testament and NT was created within the last 2000 years, as we have nothing prior to 2000 years ago that proves any of the preceding events, nor do we have any proof of the events described in the NT.
The whole Bible, IMO, is a work of fiction, and could easily have originated at any time since the date calculated of the earliest proved documents.
We have no absolute proof that Jesus existed at all, though I would tend to not push the argument that he did not exist but was a figment of one's imagination, as is the whole Book of Mormon, and the denomination that sprang up around a well-known charlatan of the time.
It makes sense to me that since Christianity has existed in non religious writings since the time of Constantine, that it could very well have been based on the teachings of some itinerant preacher/teacher, though actual words would have been fabricated, since there were no forms of instant recording such as exist today.
One would not sit and listen to a preacher talk 2000 years ago, and then sit down some several decades after that preacher died, and copy word for word what he had said, because man does not have the ability to remember things in such detail for any period of time, much less 30 to 50 years or more.
I could not reproduce, from memory, the words of a conversation that I had one minute ago, even if I was consciously trying to memorize them, which one would normally not be doing if one was following the conversation.
How do you know the writing accounts date back to 3'000 or 4'000 years?

You idiot, constantine was a catholic, not a christian, he only made christianity(Catholism) official, he didn't actually invent christianity, which came from the early church, moron!

Memory depends on how you focus on it, and how the impact works, and your memory methods as well, fool!

Jericho and the Hittites were historically accurate, but weren't known after their existence. How could it have been written by bible within the last 2,000 years who didn't even know of jericho and the hittites? Naive little runt!
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605103 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
If a person is asked,“Does cold exist?” the answer would be “yes.” This is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat.
Similarly, darkness does not exist; it is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God.
God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.
God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their “programming.” God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.
It's doubtful you'll understand.
But you did avoid the question.
Is darkness the opposite of peace?
Evil is not the absense of good. Evil is damage, and destruction. An inanimate object has no rightiousness, but yet is not evil.

But the Bible does not say its own definition of evil is the opposite of rightiousness.

And darkness is only very loosely capable of being called the opposite of peace. What the bible says is meant to be taken literal, as it says what it says.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605104 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Because we talk. We have an open & honest relationship. I trust them & they trust me.
I doubt you'll understand that, either.
Are you a parent?
No you don't have a honest relationship.

What is it you know about your kids that proves they are straight? Are they into girls? No?

“Ditat Deus”

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#605105 Feb 23, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Finding, and understanding are two totally different things in your case. No doubt caused by your delusion.
Still no documents of your "well documented" fact? Imagine that.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605106 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Here are a few other ways measured poverty:
Being poor is getting angry at your kids for asking for all the crap they see on TV.
Being poor is going to the restroom before you get in the school lunch line so your friends will be ahead of you and won’t hear you say “I get free lunch” when you get to the cashier.
Being poor is living next to the freeway.
Being poor is a heater in only one room of the house.
Being poor is hoping your kids don’t have a growth spurt.
Being poor is Goodwill underwear.
Being poor is thinking $8 an hour is a really good deal.
Being poor is stopping the car to take a lamp from a stranger’s trash.
Being poor is making lunch for your kid when a cockroach skitters over the bread, and you looking over to see if your kid saw.
Being poor is a sidewalk with lots of brown glass on it.
Being poor is picking the 10 cent ramen instead of the 12 cent ramen because that’s two extra packages for every dollar.
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Sounds like frugal to me, not poor.
What's wrong with goodwill underwear? Why spend $13 on underwear when you can spend $2??
My uncle-in-law has only one heater in his house. He prefers it that way. And he is my no means poor, dudes got over half a million in the bank.
A cockroach in the kitchen is a sign of filth, not being poor.
Taking a perfectly good lamp that your neighbor threw away is smart. Free lamp, big deal. I once found a bed frame in the trash. It was perfect, saved me $80.
People like this "Scalzi" are clueless. And so are you.
Stop blaming it on the media, blame it on yourself for spanking.

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#605107 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Then what are you doing?? Turn off your damn computer and go out & feed some hungry kids!
I probably donate to more charities around the world each year than you earn you conservitard fool. I'm also in the process of starting a foundation which will be a humanitarian organization that helps, and inspires underprivileged children in their lives.

I love it when blowhard religious people like you praise your religion, and then we read in the news about how that same religion burned someone at the stake, or worked hard to take away someones rights, and then how someone who isn't religious actually goes out of their way to make this a better world to live it. Imagine that.

“design is God's trademark”

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#605108 Feb 23, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Very sorry to hear that you were raised in that type of a family, but at least you were smart enough and able to see past it, and not get sucked into that delusion yourself. My father had a painting like that too in his bedroom. The day after he died it "somehow" ended up in the trash, along with many religious statues, and they are now "blessing" some garbage dump where they belong.
I put up a picture of Tweety bird in it's place.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79...
there is only one thing you can say about people who 'hate' God.

Tormented.

you are a tormented soul bound by the leash of satan, and you are offended by God and the bible and those who love God simply because your heart is under the ownership of the god of this world.

sad, because there WILL come a time when your cries will pierce the darkness and there will be no remedy.

Jesus loves you.
He died for you, so you might have eternal hope.

to hate hope, is to love misery.
Rush

Fairbury, NE

#605109 Feb 23, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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No you don't have a honest relationship.
What is it you know about your kids that proves they are straight? Are they into girls? No?
How many kids do you have?

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#605111 Feb 23, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
if the critics want to disregard the New Testament, then they must also disregard other ancient writings by Plato, Aristotle, and Homer.
Not true, slave
Largelanguage

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#605112 Feb 23, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>No, actually you are and he is correct. It's very easy to verify what he said. Just search about Durante Alighieri's (better known as Dante) book called "The Divine Comedy", which had a section called "The Inferno", and how the church reacted to it, plus the garbage dumps outside of the old City of Jerusalem and their customs. Don't 'cha just love history?
It depends on the church. Some people are fanatics and only pretend to be christians, when really they are not. The Bible orders us to put these kinds of people to the test.

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#605113 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
People like this "Scalzi" are clueless. And so are you.
Thank you for publicly admitting to the bias which feeds your delusion.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#605114 Feb 23, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>I probably donate to more charities around the world each year than you earn you conservitard fool. I'm also in the process of starting a foundation which will be a humanitarian organization that helps, and inspires underprivileged children in their lives.
I love it when blowhard religious people like you praise your religion, and then we read in the news about how that same religion burned someone at the stake, or worked hard to take away someones rights, and then how someone who isn't religious actually goes out of their way to make this a better world to live it. Imagine that.
Riverside Redneck is a disgrace to christianity, he does not represent God whatsoever.

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#605115 Feb 23, 2013
Honeysuckler_rose wrote:
He has always been.......like time, space, which is endless.
Prove it, and what your mommy and daddy told you doesn't count.

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#605116 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Still no documents of your "well documented" fact?
I'm not here to treat your delusion. You need to see a professional therapist for that. But that scares the hell out of you doesn't it redneck? You're afraid to lose the "security" that your delusion gives you. It's your security blanket. That's understandable. You need to grow a spine and only then will you be able to do what's right.

“Ditat Deus”

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#605117 Feb 23, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Evil is not the absense of good. Evil is damage, and destruction. An inanimate object has no rightiousness, but yet is not evil.
But the Bible does not say its own definition of evil is the opposite of rightiousness.
And darkness is only very loosely capable of being called the opposite of peace. What the bible says is meant to be taken literal, as it says what it says.
Indeed...

The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.(Isaiah 45:7)

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.(Isaiah 45:7)

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