Prove there's a god.

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#601387 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
If that were true, then I don't know that I love my wife, I merely believe it.....
If you are saying that you don't know her, and don't see anything special about her heart, then no, you don't love her. Loving a person and loving your religion are not comparable. I'm sure you don't have a clue and will ask 'why' but I'll wait...

RiversideRedneck

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#601388 Feb 13, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Really? So you have never bought her a gift? That's called evidence.
Buying a gift does not equal love.
You never hugged her? That is also evidence.
I've hugged many people that I'm not in love with.
You never did anything to protect her in spite of yourself? That's case closed evidence.
Sure, but that isn't limited to love.
Since "love" is a label we have given to an emotional response, a series of chemical reactions to specific stimuli, anything that exhibits this emotional response is evidence, thus the qualification for evidence becomes very low level, as in, you don't have to do much to make it evident that this emotional response is effecting your actions.
You've never been in love, have you?

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#601389 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I said "God proved Himself to me". I didn't say I have proof of that.
So fear of the unknown is your standard?

RiversideRedneck

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#601390 Feb 13, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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so people who fight to protect the land you live on are considered unimportant to you. That's not healthy at all, it's also sadistic.
Not in the least. I respect our military people.

But when they lose respect for themselves, they're on their own.

And don't assume that all military people "fight".....

RiversideRedneck

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#601391 Feb 13, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
False analogy.
You have proof your wife exists. She's the proof.
No one's asking you to prove she exists. No one's asking you to prove your love for her.
You have no proof you deity exists.
That's what's being asked of you.
Try and keep up.
It isn't about proving she exists, it's about proving that I love her & she loves me.

God isn't a physical being that you can prove exists in the physical realm. Just like you can't prove that love exists.

Follow along here, hukt. You're losing ground.

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#601392 Feb 13, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>I understand, but let me ask you this Clementia. Since you did a biology based degree then you know that the mouth is not a separate organ. Hearing them spew their 'opinion' isn't going to change the fact that it's not a separate organ, so why waste your time? I mean it's not like they're going to say anything of factual value. If it's for entertainment purposes then I understand. If they told you that the sun was made out of cream cheese would you want to waste your time reading it? See what I'm saying?
I see everything!:-p

That's the thing with me, i don't have confidence like that. I can get good grades in a test but i still can't act like i know it all. Like, if my lecturer asks me a question and I 100% know the answer, i will still say, " i THINK the answer is...." and he's like, "do u think or do u know?" I beat around the bush a lot, it's just a habit i have. I thought they might have some valid argument or something.

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#601393 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Christian faith isn't faith in a belief, it's faith in God.
Anything a person does, in attempting to be Christian, means absolutely nothing, if he lacks faith.
The Bible states that “without faith it is impossible to please [God]”(Heb. 11:6).
Faith is just commitment to a belief. If you have faith in God, you have committed belief in God. You can't be dissuaded. Losing your faith would be questioning your beliefs. Questioning your beliefs is something everyone should do if they care if what they believe in is actually true. If they don't care, if they believe for reasons other than wanting to know the truth, they need faith.

This is why that verse was written, to keep people committed, to keep them from questioning. That's exactly what you want when you're misleading someone. A true claim holds up under close scrutiny. True claims don't require faith.

So, do you understand that when a believer in a deity other than yours has faith in their god, they can believe just as strongly and for the same reasons as you do? Do you know why? Are you able to consider it?

You probably aren't even able to approach this. The reason is that your worldview is based on faith. You can't afford to see faith for what it is, because then there's a good chance your house of cards will fall down. There is a protection mechanism in your brain that won't allow you to make these connections. If you did, you'd have to suppress any realizations you might come to.

Is any of this getting through?

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#601394 Feb 13, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
Over here, on this side of the pond, a flip-flop is something like a sandal. For me... the first thing that comes to mind pertains to electronics.
Since you showed up, I've learned all kinds of new meanings for words and phrases.
Hukt just has to ask...
What are (your) flip-flops?
i was talkin' about sandal shoe things, monkey guy!

@Tide....i watched law abiding citizen!

I'll still check the Aeon film out, tho!

RiversideRedneck

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#601395 Feb 13, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>If you are saying that you don't know her, and don't see anything special about her heart, then no, you don't love her. Loving a person and loving your religion are not comparable. I'm sure you don't have a clue and will ask 'why' but I'll wait...
Wrong.

Love is real, yes?

Hate is real, yes?

Sorrow is real, yes?

Then why can they not be scientifically proven?

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#601396 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Yes, but I was the only one out of about 10 houses that "did the right thing". Everyone else ignored that poor lil doggie.
Go figure.
You needed to be there to show them what the right thing to do was. You're the leader. They're the followers. Deal with it :p
OK, then why do you think **religious** people spend all day with their nose is some sort of bible or religious text?
"all day" is kind of stretching it don't you think? It depends on the family and the age of the person. Some families are more preoccupied with it than others. Obviously children don't learn this nonsense magically over night, so some "time" must be devoted to it or spent on it.
How much time do you assume that me (or people like me) actually spend on our religion?
See above.

RiversideRedneck

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#601397 Feb 13, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>So fear of the unknown is your standard?
No.

I have no fear. You do.

You're afraid you might be wrong.

Which is why you're here, defending your assumptions.

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#601398 Feb 13, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Actually there are a few scenes that might. Lincoln was a very honorable man, which is why I have always admired him so much. He did what was right, because it was right. He did not do what others told him to just because it was the "popular" thing to do. He was very moral, and principled. Little trivia, in one scene he looks at his watch. The ticking sound that you hear is the actual ticking sound that Lincoln himself heard, as the sound was recorded from the Smithsonian from his very watch. I get chills when I watch that scene knowing that. Really cool. Also, he was not religious. He was a Rationalist. Clearly he wouldn't have done much of what he had if he were religious. All the more reason to respect him.
You guys don't understand what being religious is.

I don't know much about him so i can't say anything.

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#601399 Feb 13, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>14Feb13.....
....Vot!!!!!.....
..Lobsters are boiled and eaten haul ovva da world for thousands of years. BobLoblah didn't invent it, but BobLoblah likes lobsters.
.....Prince Charles 'believes' dat plants and vegetables 'can' feel....and hear and see.
Ps:.....and he's NOT too bad of a person.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
But we don't eat meat!!

I know plants r alive too, but i got to eat something to live. I say sorry to God for that, but some people never say sorry, they think what they do is right.

I can't cope with animals getting unnecessary pain, i just can't. It's just the way i am, it got nothing to do with me being good or bad.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#601400 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You're either lying or mistaken. I can't tell. I assume you're referring to this post,# 535251, from way back in September...
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you keep saying you have proof?
...or...
have you stopped?
Sorry, I didn't notice.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Never said that, no. I've said that God has proven Himself to me.
Did ya get all that?
===
Back then you were accusing me of saying that I have proof, and you stil are.
I didn't say that.
No, I'm not mistaken.

You said it, literally. I showed you.

You said it many times.

Here's another...(a reply to me saying you don't have proof)
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

You did say it! You did!
Forum

Carlsbad, NM

#601401 Feb 13, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>It was was recorded by the Chicago Symphony Chorus and the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. It's a perfect example of how classical music can stir your emotions. They should make all illegal aliens watch this movie before they become citizens. I'm not a violent person, and I don't believe in war, but I would gladly lay my life down to protect the sanctity of this great nation. It is such a privilege to be here, and I just wish that politicians would remember that, instead of constantly bickering with each other all the time., but I digress. You will love the movie, and you will admire Lincoln for his great character and all he did for this great nation and all within it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =lTA5rdz51XIXX
How does going to another country and shooting guns protect
our country?
Everyone has nuclear weapons now so who is going to blow up first?
The only people that do anything for this world are the ones that
obey God and try to do his will. He is the only one that protects
us.

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#601402 Feb 13, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>14Feb13.....
.....You Really & Truly need to watch 'The Temptation Of The Christ'....a film produced by Mel Gibson vit his OWN money costing over $$100$$ million USD.
Ps:....Den you vill unnerstan vhy Christians (Roman Catholics in particular.....don't 'cotton' toooooooo much to Jews.....even they went into WWII and saved hundreds of thousands of their sorry necks from da Nazis.
...a whole lotta dem 'fled' to the US of A shortly after 'ol Hitler came to power. Quite a few took their monies and ended up in Hollywood. Their grandChildren are still there and control the movieScene in many cases..jest checkOut da credits as they popUP on da screens.
....Many udders, after WWII was finished, left da US of A (after the US of A gave them a home) and went back to Germany and especially Israel. Many, many Americans do NOT like this LOT.
Some people call this 'racism'....but it could be NO further from da Truth. They were opportunists and had somebody else do their dirty work for dem....while they twiddled their thumbs and waited in anticipation of 'going back'.
.......Should the same scenario repeat itself in a time of War, the West will NOT be so open to people running away from their country.....instead of standingUP and fighting for it.
......Imagine, six (6) million Jews allowed demSelves to be led to the slaughter.....like lambs.
...Would you behave dat vey!!!!!!!!!.If you knew dat you were going to die under da Nazis...would you not grab yer kitchen Knife and fight back giving your Life to do so???
Comes a Horseman....and da name of da Horseman is BobLoblah.
...and 'da Truth shall set BobLoblah free'.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
I've seen the passion of Christ, i have no idea which one u talkin' about!

O darling, what r u talking about? Jews r evil? i'm so sorry, i don't understand the point!

RiversideRedneck

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#601403 Feb 13, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
Faith is just commitment to a belief. If you have faith in God, you have committed belief in God. You can't be dissuaded. Losing your faith would be questioning your beliefs. Questioning your beliefs is something everyone should do if they care if what they believe in is actually true. If they don't care, if they believe for reasons other than wanting to know the truth, they need faith.
I don't have faith in a belief in God. I have faith in God. There is a difference. I don't expect you to understand.
This is why that verse was written, to keep people committed, to keep them from questioning. That's exactly what you want when you're misleading someone. A true claim holds up under close scrutiny. True claims don't require faith.
People don't stay comitted because of a verse, Tide. Tey stay comitted because of their faith. The verse is like using a roadmap to get you home. You don't sleep on the map, you sleep at home by using the map to get you there.
So, do you understand that when a believer in a deity other than yours has faith in their god, they can believe just as strongly and for the same reasons as you do? Do you know why? Are you able to consider it?
You probably aren't even able to approach this. The reason is that your worldview is based on faith. You can't afford to see faith for what it is, because then there's a good chance your house of cards will fall down. There is a protection mechanism in your brain that won't allow you to make these connections. If you did, you'd have to suppress any realizations you might come to.
Is any of this getting through?
Yes. Thank you. You don't have a clue to what real faith is, only a textbook definition. It kinda sounds like Koder trying to define what constitutes love )no offense).

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#601404 Feb 13, 2013
Clementia wrote:
That's the thing with me, i don't have confidence like that. I can get good grades in a test but i still can't act like i know it all. Like, if my lecturer asks me a question and I 100% know the answer, i will still say, " i THINK the answer is...." and he's like, "do u think or do u know?" I beat around the bush a lot, it's just a habit i have. I thought they might have some valid argument or something.
Sounds more like self esteem than anything. Seriously, I bet you've accomplished a lot in your life, and helped a lot of people along the way. This means you're special and you should be proud about that. I have no doubt that you're a light in this world. Shine on and don't worry about the details. Confidence isn't something that you earn. You claim it by appreciating the wacky, endlessly optimistic, passionately uninhibited free spirit which is inside your beautiful heart, the heart that makes you uniquely you. If I were your teacher I would have told you that I was going to call on you everyday until you could answer a question without saying "I think".:p

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#601405 Feb 13, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>I'll be watching the new James Bond movie Skyfall tonight. Should be good and probably won't make you cry, unless you're watching him drinking beer instead of his signature martini.
I don't think i've watched even 1 of the new bond films properly!

I think i'm not attracted to blonde men!

“let's do this thang!”

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#601406 Feb 13, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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What creator?
<quoted text>
What's to acknowledge?
<quoted text>
PTAG
<quoted text>
What IS glorious about it that ISN'T glorious about ANY OTHER STORY of love and redemption?
<quoted text>
You're making the assertion that I'm being “held captive.”
Why?
Prove it!
"You're making the assertion that I'm being “held captive.
Why?"

we've been born into captivity through sin; i.e., we lost our original connection to God in the garden when we made the moral decision to believe an accusation against Him and ever since we've been slaves of the kingdom of darkness.

Prove it!"

let's see if you can stop sinning and continuously thinking evil in your mind.

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