christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#597651 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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unless that god is logicaly contradictory to exist
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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HA HA HA !!!
See? This is exactly what I meant when I said atheists spend so much time on a god they say doesn't exist.
"It is my intent to show that the supposed properties of the Christian God Yahweh, like those of a cubic sphere, are incompatible, and by so doing, to show Yahweh's existence to be an impossibility."
You people are the biggest damn hypocrites out there.
Atheists dont spend any time on god you dumbo

we are just trying to bring some reason into this world,unfortunately making Brainded Religious Rednecks think is bit futile it seems
LOL
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#597652 Feb 4, 2013
Before we can discuss the existence of a thing, we must define it. Christians have endowed their God with all of the following attributes: He is eternal, all-powerful, and created everything. He created all the laws of nature and can change anything by an act of will. He is all-good, all-loving, and perfectly just. He is a personal God who experiences all of the emotions a human does. He is all-knowing. He sees everything past and future.
God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity.

One Bible verse which Christians are fond of quoting says that atheists are fools. I intend to show that the above concepts of God are completely incompatible and so reveal the impossibility of all of them being true. Who is the fool? The fool is the one who believes impossible things and calls them divine mysteries.

Perfection Seeks Even More Perfection

What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete--it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.

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#597653 Feb 4, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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it's one of those paradoxes in life where you don't benefit from it unless you embrace it and you can't embrace it if you're prejudice against it.....
"repent (i.e., change your mind)...."
it's as if humanity can only receive an AM transmission, but God broadcasts on FM and it takes trusting in Jesus to receive the appropriate tuner.
i'm not your enemy in this thing unless you choose to be mine:)
God was broadcasting on Sirius XM but they didn't renew his contract.
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#597654 Feb 4, 2013
The Christians' objection to this argument involves freewill. They say that a being must have freewill to be happy. The omnibenevolent God did not wish to create robots, so he gave humans freewill to enable them to experience love and happiness. But the humans used this freewill to choose evil, and introduced imperfection into God's originally perfect universe. God had no control over this decision, so the blame for our imperfect universe is on the humans, not God.

Here is why the argument is weak. First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. The latter option is clearly superior, since perfect robots will never make decisions which could render them or their creator unhappy, whereas beings with freewill could. A perfect and omnipotent God who creates beings capable of ruining their own happiness is impossible.

Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options.
Third, God supposedly has freewill, and yet he does not make imperfect decisions. If humans are miniature images of God, our decisions should likewise be perfect. Also, the occupants of heaven, who presumably must have freewill to be happy, will never use that freewill to make imperfect decisions. Why would the originally perfect humans do differently?

The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator.
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#597655 Feb 4, 2013
Unfulfilled Prophecy

The Bible misinterprets its own prophecies. Read Isaiah 7 and compare it to Matthew 1 to find but one of many misinterpreted prophecies of which Christians are either passively or willfully ignorant. The fulfillment of prophecy in the Bible is cited as proof of its divine inspiration, and yet here is but one major example of a prophecy whose intended meaning has been and continues to be twisted to support subsequent absurd and false doctrines. There are no ends to which the credulous will not go to support their feeble beliefs in the face of compelling evidence against them.

The Bible is imperfect. It only takes one imperfection to destroy the supposed perfection of this alleged Word of God. Many have been found. A perfect God who reveals his perfect will in an imperfect book is impossible.

The Omniscient Changes the Future

A God who knows the future is powerless to change it. An omniscient God who is all-powerful and freewilled is impossible.


The Omniscient is Surprised

A God who knows everything cannot have emotions. The Bible says that God experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. We humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge. A man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden. In contrast, the omniscient God is ignorant of nothing. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.

We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#597656 Feb 4, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>The site for a convention of sufferers from Hansen's Disease?
RR originally said “lepricoRn”... which raises all kinds of interesting thoughts!

A leprechaun/unicorn hybrid... an Irish Satyr, if you will.

“Ya be look'n fer me gold!?! We-he-ell laddie... climb aboard an' I'll take ya thar meself!”

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#597657 Feb 4, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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You know nothing about me, and yet you write this nonsense, as if you know how I think, and what I am about.
Prejudice is indeed a trademark of the indoctrinated.
Firstly, I am not dependent on faith. I merely appreciate its merits and aim to use it to my advantage.
Secondly, I question my religion all the time.
Thirdly, my religion does not use the fear of hell or lust for heaven to control me. I merely use the principles of my religion to my benefit.
Fourthly, I don't need my religion to tell me I am weak. My religion cannot speak in any case, for physically it is just books, pen and ink. I acknowledge my weaknesses and use the principles of my religion to overcome them.
Fifthly. I am not being tested my God. I am directed towards difficulty and I believe God wills it so, so that I may learn something valuable.
And lastly, yes, I am a slave to the One I love, and my only regret is not being as good a slave as I would like to be for my Master.
So go on, little "free" man, what more do you have to say about me? Go on, let's hear all the prejudice you were taught to parrot to every theist here.
True Truth wrote:
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And lastly, yes, I am a slave to the One I love, and my only regret is not being as good a slave as I would like to be for my Master.
My Master has given me black eyes, bloody lips and nose and many, many bruises. Never once did he chastise me for being a poor student. Instead, he apologized for being a poor teacher.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#597658 Feb 4, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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this is all you're gonna get since it's been enough for millions of people to this day and throughout the ages:
repent (i.e. change your mind), believe the Gospel and live!
Got noth'n huh?

Millions of people throughout the ages have been mistaken about a great many things.

What makes you think this day/age is any different? What it is about *your* religion that should give me reason to consider it valid and true above all other religions?

Repent for what? Change my mind about what?

The “good news” is that your deity has no power over me. I have no fear of your imagination. As far as I can tell... as far as anyone's been able to demonstrate... all indications are that your imagination is the only place your deity exists.

That's good news indeed!

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#597659 Feb 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I bet you atheists loved all the references to God during the Super Bowl yesterday....
The whole world was watching :)
My favorite was the "God made a farmer" Dodge commercial.
Y'all ain't got shit.
You must be so proud that a car maker uses your deity as a means to sell it's product.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#597660 Feb 4, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
it's one of those paradoxes in life where you don't benefit from it unless you embrace it and you can't embrace it if you're prejudice against it.....
It's your paradox and it's your prejudice, not mine.
"repent (i.e., change your mind)...."
Repent for what? Change my mind about what?
it's as if humanity can only receive an AM transmission, but God broadcasts on FM and it takes trusting in Jesus to receive the appropriate tuner.
I'm prolly the wrong person to try that analogy on.

Why does your deity DJ have his audience require a more complex receiver over a simpler one? Why doesn't the deity choose the signal modulation most capable of reaching beyond the transmitter's line of sight? On top of that, it seemingly chooses to implement an encrypted signal. Why's it being so selective and covert?
I'm not your enemy in this thing unless you choose to be mine:)
In this thing? What makes you think you're my enemy? That's your choice, not mine.

You're the one trying to convert me. I'm the one asking questions.

You're the one insisting that if I don't “join you”... that I'll regret it (I guess that's what you're saying).

Try giving me something besides the bogyman, will ya? Try something besides scaring me into believing. What else ya got?

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#597661 Feb 4, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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God was broadcasting on Sirius XM but they didn't renew his contract.
it was a good analogy/parable. if you were objective rather than biased you may have benefited from it.

how hypocritical is it of you to demand that society approves of your sexual behavior all the while your bigoted and antagonistic against all that they've held sacred for millenia's???

as long as i have a voice i enjoy expossing the tyranny & audacity!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#597662 Feb 4, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Out of context according to whom? MEN?
Have your mustard seeds moved any mountains lately...or ever?
Another cherry picked scripture?

Please tell me what scripture you read wrong there.....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#597663 Feb 4, 2013
Mylan wrote:
Of course simpleton. Now post where I did that or you ARE a liar. Pretty simple, even for you.
You're such a damn nitwit.

Again, I said you'd do "some bullshit like", not "exactly this".

Trouble with analogy, huh?

“Ditat Deus”

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#597664 Feb 4, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't know Hebrews was in the quran.
Maybe YOU need ta learn yer own book.
You didn't know Adam was in the Quran?

No wonder why you're bringing up writings from the Quran & calling them Christian...

“let's do this thang!”

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#597665 Feb 4, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
Got noth'n huh?
Millions of people throughout the ages have been mistaken about a great many things.
What makes you think this day/age is any different? What it is about *your* religion that should give me reason to consider it valid and true above all other religions?
Repent for what? Change my mind about what?
The “good news” is that your deity has no power over me. I have no fear of your imagination. As far as I can tell... as far as anyone's been able to demonstrate... all indications are that your imagination is the only place your deity exists.
That's good news indeed!
"Millions of people throughout the ages have been mistaken about a great many things"

YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN!

"as it was in the days of noah, so shall it be in the end" Jesus

"...that your deity has no power over me"

the only "power" a father wants to have over a son is enough influence so that the child won't rebel, self-destruct and hopefully be a loving companion for life after they mature.

but have it your way, no one's twisting your arm.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#597666 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
Atheists dont spend any time on god you dumbo
HA HA HA HA HA !!!!

Then who makes up all that shit on your pathetic atheist websites?
we are just trying to bring some reason into this world,unfortunately making Brainded Religious Rednecks think is bit futile it seems
LOL
WTF is Brainded?

Oh, you're calling me stupid.

lol

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#597667 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
Before we can discuss the existence of a thing, we must define it. Christians have endowed their God with all of the following attributes: He is eternal, all-powerful, and created everything. He created all the laws of nature and can change anything by an act of will. He is all-good, all-loving, and perfectly just. He is a personal God who experiences all of the emotions a human does. He is all-knowing. He sees everything past and future.
God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity.
One Bible verse which Christians are fond of quoting says that atheists are fools. I intend to show that the above concepts of God are completely incompatible and so reveal the impossibility of all of them being true. Who is the fool? The fool is the one who believes impossible things and calls them divine mysteries.
Perfection Seeks Even More Perfection
What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete--it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.
<shakes head>

Didn't you just write:

"Atheists dont spend any time on god you dumbo"

LMMFAO!

Since: Oct 10

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#597668 Feb 4, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
it was a good analogy/parable. if you were objective rather than biased you may have benefited from it.
how hypocritical is it of you to demand that society approves of your sexual behavior all the while your bigoted and antagonistic against all that they've held sacred for millenia's???
as long as i have a voice i enjoy expossing the tyranny & audacity!
You'll need to speak up. I didn't hear you.

I don't recall demanding approval from you nor do I foresee that happening.

I'm not interested in what you hold sacred.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#597669 Feb 4, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
Millions of people throughout the ages have been mistaken about a great many things.
Here it comes.....
The “good news” is that your deity has no power over me.
There it is!

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#597670 Feb 4, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
It's your paradox and it's your prejudice, not mine.
<quoted text>
Repent for what? Change my mind about what?
<quoted text>
I'm prolly the wrong person to try that analogy on.
Why does your deity DJ have his audience require a more complex receiver over a simpler one? Why doesn't the deity choose the signal modulation most capable of reaching beyond the transmitter's line of sight? On top of that, it seemingly chooses to implement an encrypted signal. Why's it being so selective and covert?
<quoted text>
In this thing? What makes you think you're my enemy? That's your choice, not mine.
You're the one trying to convert me. I'm the one asking questions.
You're the one insisting that if I don't “join you”... that I'll regret it (I guess that's what you're saying).
Try giving me something besides the bogyman, will ya? Try something besides scaring me into believing. What else ya got?
"I'm the one asking questions"

if you're sincerely asking questions that you want answered, feel free to send me a private message so that we don't get carried away by antagonism and so that i'm not casting my pearls to those who only want to trample them....

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