Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596004 Jan 30, 2013
siehjin wrote:
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nope. i explained the logic behind my statement in my previous reply to you: "the existence of the world, in all its' complexity and beauty, logically implies that there must have been a Creator."
you have failed to give any such explanation with regard to your pinky and leprechauns. therefore we can conclude that leprechauns don't exist, but God does.
Nicely done my friend.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596005 Jan 30, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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everything exists until disproven? LOL
I`m using your logic here.
Does he have a holy book, no I do accept sufficient evidence, also I accept something reasonable he just said there proved...no it is false they themselves admitted they do not know 100%, I do not know 100% God exists, since its not mathematics..I BELIEVE and not a percentage, but an absolute max interval. That is faith, you do not KNOW God, only God knows everything, you follow in what God has sent you to enlighten your path.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#596006 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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In your eyes I am but you cannot claim that I am insane in the face of reality, if reality does say so, why won't reality tackle me? show me if I can be shut down. Nothing can, u know why? because the power of faith, belief is beyond your power of imagination, which usually leads you to falsehood; not believing in God.
Wow, your delusion is so ingrained into your persona. If you have so much faith, then why are you using a computer that depends on reality and science? If you had faith in your god you'd lie down and just let whatever happen to happen without even eating or bathing yourself. You'd not fear anything, literally, you'd walk into the desert with no water, no food, no clothing, and if your god was real, and you actually had faith according to your beliefs, you'd be unscathed. So test your faith, for until you do that and survive for over a year, you have no more "faith" in your nonsense than I do.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#596007 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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You are correct; for the prophets needed evidence back then, yet did they all believe??? in fact most did not, reason to that is that believing in God is not easy. It takes a highly faithful and strong willed person to believe in something that its hard to believe in. I come here do the same, show u evidence such as our miracles, quran, reason and philosophical views, yet u keep on rejecting all by finding some fallacies which YOU'VE made not me, also by not answering straight forward, instead keep on making twists and turns, ending in a circular argument.
You are being backwards again. Believing in something without evidence is very easy to do, and it's a poor excuse for being naive and ignorant. Testing and analyzing evidence, that's the hard work, and you're too lazy to do that.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#596008 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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Does he have a holy book, no I do accept sufficient evidence, also I accept something reasonable he just said there proved...no it is false they themselves admitted they do not know 100%, I do not know 100% God exists, since its not mathematics..I BELIEVE and not a percentage, but an absolute max interval. That is faith, you do not KNOW God, only God knows everything, you follow in what God has sent you to enlighten your path.
You accepted a book only because your books says it's true. That's not sufficient evidence to support any notion. It's called circular reasoning, and is a fallacy.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596009 Jan 30, 2013
Scorp wrote:
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Can you prove that they are all not lying or hallucinating? Neither you nor I can prove either. Nor can you prove god created the universe. All you have is faith in something and that's what you are going with. It's simple to say god created everything earth, heavens, universe etc. If the bible said a unicorn created the cosmos I'm sure you would also believe in that.
Off topic. Do religious people believe in other beings besides those on earth?
Yes we believe in Jinn, Angels, Devil, Gog and Magog (those are quite interesting look them up) and some others I don't recall well. Also some others like us, living in another metaverse that are giants and whose time progresses much slower than ours, who live longer and worship god more than us, also judged differently than us.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#596010 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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You are correct; for the prophets needed evidence back then, yet did they all believe??? in fact most did not, reason to that is that believing in God is not easy. It takes a highly faithful and strong willed person to believe in something that its hard to believe in. I come here do the same, show u evidence such as our miracles, quran, reason and philosophical views, yet u keep on rejecting all by finding some fallacies which YOU'VE made not me, also by not answering straight forward, instead keep on making twists and turns, ending in a circular argument.
actually it takes an extremely gullible person to believe in something hard to believe in.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

there is no evidence for a god/gods

the sun, it`s a god. science discoveres the sun is just a small unremarkable star. god moves the tides, science discovers thaat the tides are simply the gravitational influence of the moon. The `religions` state that the universe is 10 thousand years old, god told them so. Science discovers the age of the universe is around 13 billion years old.

Religion/god is nothing more than an ever shrinking pocket of human ignorance attempting to explain things which our ancestors felt needed the presence of a god to explain. The religious are simply a throwback to a time of global ignorance, unfortunately some of them see ignorance as a virtue and attempt to instil it into their children.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596011 Jan 30, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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...did I hit a nerve?
I think so...I need to sit down before I bust a gut haaaah x)
srsly what makes u think I'm like that, I thought you were only interested in playing around with what I know, the very moment I met you. You tried to play mind games, by bringing up that paradox. I then let u know again I'm not here for playing around, or just proving u wrong (ofcourse that too ;p) I'm rly here to rectify your mistakes.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#596012 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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When you believe without evidence you lose objectiveness, you become deluded, you become insane. You are a very good example of how belief without evidence will make you insane.

I was going to say ,there is nothing about Simon that proves him to be anything other than just another brainwashed and deluded fundie.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596013 Jan 30, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Sorta like your deity, eh?
Tell me; What is the difference between your deity and the well?
the well is an effect, a creation nothing compared to our lord.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#596014 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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Does he have a holy book, no I do accept sufficient evidence, also I accept something reasonable he just said there proved...no it is false they themselves admitted they do not know 100%, I do not know 100% God exists, since its not mathematics..I BELIEVE and not a percentage, but an absolute max interval. That is faith, you do not KNOW God, only God knows everything, you follow in what God has sent you to enlighten your path.
Prove your book is holy and the bible isn`t or the torah isn`t or the bhagavad gita isn`t.

is your god 1% proved?

So I follow gods plan for my path...but I have freewill?

you`re just not getting it are you?

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#596015 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
<quoted text>
I think so...I need to sit down before I bust a gut haaaah x)
srsly what makes u think I'm like that, I thought you were only interested in playing around with what I know, the very moment I met you. You tried to play mind games, by bringing up that paradox. I then let u know again I'm not here for playing around, or just proving u wrong (ofcourse that too ;p) I'm rly here to rectify your mistakes.
I think you`re like that because you have proven your intellectual dishonesty. I didn`t say that your god couldn`t make 2+2=5, you attempt to make 2+2=5 yourself to enable your god to exist, because your argument is fundamentally flawed.

I didn`t bring up any paradox, I simply described your god according to your scripture and asked some pertinent questions.

Your god is the eternally self-contradicting paradox.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596016 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So wait, real scientists have studied it, they found no "miracle" there, so you just deny that they're valid findings? You are not only delusional, but also a liar.
I never lied, have u read what the scientists say???.......

A research was done to discover the origin of Zamzam water. The dimensions of the well were taken. The water level came up to a five feet, eight inches manís shoulders. The man who was not allowed to dip his head into the water reported that he could not find any inlet or pipeline inside the well from where the water came in. Even when aspiring the water with a big transfer pump, nothing was observed. The man was asked to enter the well again, he stood in one place while the water was pumped, suddenly, he felt the sand moving beneath his feet and it was the same in every points of the well. The water flew into the well from the bed equally at every point keeping the level of the water stable.

Where is the souce tell meeeeeee..no valid findings nothing no clue at all is this not a MIRACLE!!??

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596017 Jan 30, 2013
Scorp wrote:
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So scientists have reasons to believe that unicorns don't exist. You have faith they do exist because a book says they do. Hmmmm. Same thing. Your magical water is nothing but water draining in from nearby mountains or whatever. I wish people would just ask why something is that way or why did that just happen prior to saying it was gods will or its a miracle.
meh, still I do not see why they must not think its a miracle, I won't blame them. That well is truly a wonder of wonders.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596018 Jan 30, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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There is meaning in numbers.
It isn't a magical, mysterious or "supernatural" meaning.
You should really read the entire site and ponder why it is that you believe as you do in spite of mountains of evidence and proof that contradicts what you believe.
I skimmed the site, I'll read it later after I've done with answering them first. sry to make an assumption. My bad.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#596019 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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the well is an effect, a creation nothing compared to our lord.
No, the well is an actual thing, your deity is just an imagined thing.

One can be tested, verified and shown to exist, the other is a product of your imagination.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596020 Jan 30, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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you still forgot to answer it.
I did.....tell me then your question again or clarify it more, so that I may understand what your asking.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#596021 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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I never lied, have u read what the scientists say???.......
A research was done to discover the origin of Zamzam water. The dimensions of the well were taken. The water level came up to a five feet, eight inches manís shoulders. The man who was not allowed to dip his head into the water reported that he could not find any inlet or pipeline inside the well from where the water came in. Even when aspiring the water with a big transfer pump, nothing was observed. The man was asked to enter the well again, he stood in one place while the water was pumped, suddenly, he felt the sand moving beneath his feet and it was the same in every points of the well. The water flew into the well from the bed equally at every point keeping the level of the water stable.
Where is the souce tell meeeeeee..no valid findings nothing no clue at all is this not a MIRACLE!!??
No...

"The Zamzam well was excavated by hand, and is about 30 m (98 ft) deep and 1.08 to 2.66 m (3 ft 7 in to 8 ft 9 in) in diameter. It taps groundwater from the wadi alluvium and some from the bedrock. Originally water from the well was drawn via ropes and buckets, but today the well itself is in a basement room where it can be seen behind glass panels (visitors are not allowed to enter). Electric pumps draw the water, which is available throughout the Masjid al-Haram via water fountains and dispensing containers near the Tawaf area.
Hydrogeologically, the well is in the Wadi Ibrahim (Valley of Abraham). The upper half of the well is in the sandy alluvium of the valley, lined with stone masonry except for the top 1-metre (3 ft 3 in) which has a concrete "collar". The lower half is in the bedrock. Between the alluvium and the bedrock is a 1&#8260;2-metre (1 ft 8 in) section of permeable weathered rock, lined with stone, and it is this section that provides the main water entry into the well. Water in the well comes from absorbed rainfall in the Wadi Ibrahim, as well as run-off from the local hills. Since the area has become more and more settled, water from absorbed rainfall on the Wadi Ibrahim has decreased.
The Saudi Geological Survey has a "Zamzam Studies and Research Centre" which analyses the technical properties of the well in detail. Water levels were monitored by hydrograph, which in more recent times has changed to a digital monitoring system that tracks the water level, electric conductivity, pH, Eh, and temperature. All of this information is made continuously available via the Internet. Other wells throughout the valley have also been established, some with digital recorders, to monitor the response of the local aquifer system."

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#596022 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Wow, your delusion is so ingrained into your persona. If you have so much faith, then why are you using a computer that depends on reality and science? If you had faith in your god you'd lie down and just let whatever happen to happen without even eating or bathing yourself. You'd not fear anything, literally, you'd walk into the desert with no water, no food, no clothing, and if your god was real, and you actually had faith according to your beliefs, you'd be unscathed. So test your faith, for until you do that and survive for over a year, you have no more "faith" in your nonsense than I do.
That is something forbidden, since learning, working helping others and blooming the earth is obligatory and a part of worship to God. Also I'm not God..I don't sit here and await Him to do my bidding. SHAME ON YOU!

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#596023 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
<quoted text>
I never lied, have u read what the scientists say???.......
A research was done to discover the origin of Zamzam water. The dimensions of the well were taken. The water level came up to a five feet, eight inches manís shoulders. The man who was not allowed to dip his head into the water reported that he could not find any inlet or pipeline inside the well from where the water came in. Even when aspiring the water with a big transfer pump, nothing was observed. The man was asked to enter the well again, he stood in one place while the water was pumped, suddenly, he felt the sand moving beneath his feet and it was the same in every points of the well. The water flew into the well from the bed equally at every point keeping the level of the water stable.
Where is the souce tell meeeeeee..no valid findings nothing no clue at all is this not a MIRACLE!!??
It's called water bearing sand and is a common feature found in aquifers. Look it up.

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