Prove there's a god.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595978 Jan 30, 2013
siehjin wrote:
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if there is a God who created the universe, as i have suggested, he would be transcendent. as such, there is no surprise that you cannot talk to Him or see Him, unless He reveals Himself to you.
here is an analogy that helps us to understand this. imagine a two-dimensional world called Flatland. is there any way that mr. and mrs. flat, two-dimensional creatures in Flatland, can know anything about us three-dimensional human beings? no, it is impossible for them to sense us at all, because we are outside of their entire world. the only way for them to know we exist is if we were to reveal ourselves to them - e.g. if i were to insert my finger into their world, and so they would be able to see a two-dimensional cross-section of my finger.
in conclusion, your inability to sense God with your physical senses in no way proves that He does not exist. as such, my point stands: the existence of the universe proves the existence of God.
another point is, there are many people who claim to have experiences of God's presence, who do hear His voice and talk to Him. so although you may not have personal experience of God, if any of those people's experiences are veridical, that is also evidence for the existence of God. can you prove that every human being who has experienced God is lying or hallucinating?
Correct and well said although some minor disagreements but I must say very well said.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595979 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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No it is thought so, never proved.
everything exists until disproven? LOL

I`m using your logic here.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595980 Jan 30, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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that made absolutely no sense and didnt even address the post to which it was made in reply.
You`re probably doing some self-affirmation exercise right now, praying hard, rocking a little?
When the religious are faced with a logical dilemma they always `run home to momma` and attempt to reply with some metaphysical, whimsical bs which is heavy on the fluff. Their argument simply boils down to, "you cannot possibly know because you are not in my club and don`t have the secret decoder ring.
You are no exception.
LMAOOOOOOOO

Mrcharrington, do u rly believe I'm one of those kind? I'm not like those ignorant fools who simply enforce their opinions because they feel difficulty arguing. I'll go eat for now, I'll be back and will reply to this and your other posts later. Take care
Scorp

San Antonio, TX

#595981 Jan 30, 2013
siehjin wrote:
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if there is a God who created the universe, as i have suggested, he would be transcendent. as such, there is no surprise that you cannot talk to Him or see Him, unless He reveals Himself to you.
here is an analogy that helps us to understand this. imagine a two-dimensional world called Flatland. is there any way that mr. and mrs. flat, two-dimensional creatures in Flatland, can know anything about us three-dimensional human beings? no, it is impossible for them to sense us at all, because we are outside of their entire world. the only way for them to know we exist is if we were to reveal ourselves to them - e.g. if i were to insert my finger into their world, and so they would be able to see a two-dimensional cross-section of my finger.
in conclusion, your inability to sense God with your physical senses in no way proves that He does not exist. as such, my point stands: the existence of the universe proves the existence of God.
another point is, there are many people who claim to have experiences of God's presence, who do hear His voice and talk to Him. so although you may not have personal experience of God, if any of those people's experiences are veridical, that is also evidence for the existence of God. can you prove that every human being who has experienced God is lying or hallucinating?
Can you prove that they are all not lying or hallucinating? Neither you nor I can prove either. Nor can you prove god created the universe. All you have is faith in something and that's what you are going with. It's simple to say god created everything earth, heavens, universe etc. If the bible said a unicorn created the cosmos I'm sure you would also believe in that.

Off topic. Do religious people believe in other beings besides those on earth?

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595982 Jan 30, 2013
siehjin wrote:
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nope. i explained the logic behind my statement in my previous reply to you: "the existence of the world, in all its' complexity and beauty, logically implies that there must have been a Creator."
you have failed to give any such explanation with regard to your pinky and leprechauns. therefore we can conclude that leprechauns don't exist, but God does.
oh I think I suddenly believe her finger is the catalyst for leprechaun existence.

I have FAITH, please disprove my faith based upon the evidence at hand.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595983 Jan 30, 2013
siehjin wrote:
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nope. i explained the logic behind my statement in my previous reply to you: "the existence of the world, in all its' complexity and beauty, logically implies that there must have been a Creator."
you have failed to give any such explanation with regard to your pinky and leprechauns. therefore we can conclude that leprechauns don't exist, but God does.
You are just restating what I stated but with a baseless assertion added to it.

Existence is proof of existence, that is all. It is no more proof of anything else than my pinky proving leprechauns are real. You can't make exemptions in logic, when you do, you are not longer being logical.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595984 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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LMAOOOOOOOO
Mrcharrington, do u rly believe I'm one of those kind? I'm not like those ignorant fools who simply enforce their opinions because they feel difficulty arguing. I'll go eat for now, I'll be back and will reply to this and your other posts later. Take care
...did I hit a nerve?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#595985 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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No it is thought so, never proved.
Sorta like your deity, eh?

Tell me; What is the difference between your deity and the well?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595986 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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No it is thought so, never proved.
So wait, real scientists have studied it, they found no "miracle" there, so you just deny that they're valid findings? You are not only delusional, but also a liar.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595987 Jan 30, 2013
Scorp wrote:
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Can you prove that they are all not lying or hallucinating? Neither you nor I can prove either. Nor can you prove god created the universe. All you have is faith in something and that's what you are going with. It's simple to say god created everything earth, heavens, universe etc. If the bible said a unicorn created the cosmos I'm sure you would also believe in that.
Off topic. Do religious people believe in other beings besides those on earth?
Proof that one is not delusional, which is the correct psychosis, is when you see something work the same way all the time for everyone. That is when you can call it evidence, and that is when you know the evidence is not a delusion. Do you happen to have anything of that sort to support your ... beliefs?
Scorp

San Antonio, TX

#595988 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So wait, real scientists have studied it, they found no "miracle" there, so you just deny that they're valid findings? You are not only delusional, but also a liar.
So scientists have reasons to believe that unicorns don't exist. You have faith they do exist because a book says they do. Hmmmm. Same thing. Your magical water is nothing but water draining in from nearby mountains or whatever. I wish people would just ask why something is that way or why did that just happen prior to saying it was gods will or its a miracle.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#595989 Jan 30, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Sorta like your deity, eh?
Tell me; What is the difference between your deity and the well?
It's like trying to herd snakes.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595990 Jan 30, 2013
Scorp wrote:
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So scientists have reasons to believe that unicorns don't exist. You have faith they do exist because a book says they do. Hmmmm. Same thing. Your magical water is nothing but water draining in from nearby mountains or whatever. I wish people would just ask why something is that way or why did that just happen prior to saying it was gods will or its a miracle.
Cart before the horse. No one has any evidence to suggest unicorns do exist, therefore they are dismissed as mythology. That's what sanity is.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595991 Jan 30, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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that made absolutely no sense and didnt even address the post to which it was made in reply.
forget it. No use tackling u in that, since it will be a circular argument.Meant to reply to your idea about If God being omniscient therefore God is eitherÂ… this was my reply - I did not say that, those do exist, however they are severely punished later, or we do not rly say we do know because God judges not us. I meant to say that we can never achieve the knowledge of God which best example is global skeptics believe genuine knowledge is impossible, similar to you here where instead of genuine knowledge your proclaiming that knowing the existence of God by the evidence I mentioned is impossible.
MisterCharrington wrote:
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You`re probably doing some self-affirmation exercise right now, praying hard, rocking a little?


Rocking? what does that mean?? and I did go to pray yes after I ate, as it is obligatory. What is wrong with that? your the one he needs to do some praying Mr.Simpleton.
MisterCharrington wrote:
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When the religious are faced with a logical dilemma they always `run home to momma` and attempt to reply with some metaphysical, whimsical bs which is heavy on the fluff. Their argument simply boils down to, "you cannot possibly know because you are not in my club and don`t have the secret decoder ring.
You are no exception.
I never said I was an exception, neither do u, I think your the one who always tries hard and works his ass of just to find tactics on how to counter the existence of God, thus when you face a dilemma you go back and find some way or invent a new fallacy. Again this is another conv about fallacies themselves which you atheists love them soooo much that they always save you from difficult arguments. I'd love to open that up later on.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595992 Jan 30, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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"Fibonacci Flim-Flam" http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/pseudo/fibonacc...
You seriously support those "foolishness stuff" they showed about it? I expected u to be more sophisticated, no meaning in numbers rly? where is your logic, tell me? Also as u love most, where is the evidence against it? they held no evidence just claims, stating that its crazy or ridiculous in such thing yet you cannot counter it, math is proof, the very thing you cherish most has stood up right in your face!

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595993 Jan 30, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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What you are basically saying is that it is possible to make 2 + 2 = 5, in order for your god to exist. Where is the honesty in that?
NOT ME, it is possible for GOD yes as I repeat he is beyond all capabilities and infallibility God is above anythign you can think of, non of your calculation can challenge God, nothing I cannot prove that I know, I can only say to you; That is what God is.
Pete

Bolivar, MO

#595994 Jan 30, 2013
Keep giving "Sin city" those BJ's God!!!

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595995 Jan 30, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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hahahahaaa
I already replied to a similar response to you.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595996 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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What? So you want your insanity to be exempt from reality. Sorry, doesn't work like that. Reality says you're insane, there are no exemptions.
In your eyes I am but you cannot claim that I am insane in the face of reality, if reality does say so, why won't reality tackle me? show me if I can be shut down. Nothing can, u know why? because the power of faith, belief is beyond your power of imagination, which usually leads you to falsehood; not believing in God.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595997 Jan 30, 2013
Pete wrote:
Keep giving "Sin city" those BJ's God!!!
Keep giving those infidels rimjobs satan.

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