Prove there's a god.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595918 Jan 30, 2013
So..we continue on the zamzam water and its miraculous properties? do not forget the miracle of Mecca concerning "Logic/Mathematic" I suggest Mr.Charrington takes a look at it since he loves those stuff.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595919 Jan 30, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Favourite. Are you familiar?
Familiar is one of my fav words...especially Uncanny ;D

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595920 Jan 30, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Favourite. Are you familiar?
Oh and why'd u write it with an S then? Also wrote it with an O and now OU ;p
Scorp

San Antonio, TX

#595921 Jan 30, 2013
siehjin wrote:
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please explain how your right pinky proves that leprechauns exist. as far as i can see, there is no logical connection between the two.
on the other hand, the existence of the world, in all its' complexity and beauty, logically implies that there must have been a Creator. just as a painting logically implies an artist, a building logically implies an architect, a delicious meal logically implies a chef, the existence of the universe and everything in it logically implies the existence of God.
The thing is I can talk to and see the chef, architect and artist. There is solid proof they created those things. If the building just showed up one day I would be like wow I'm a believer of a miracle. If a pizza just showed up on my dinner table I would be like awesome a delicious pizza. Now that must of been created by god. Then I would sit down and pray thinking him for the meal I was about to consume. Next time you sit down and pray thinking someone for the meal, try thinking that chef. After all he is the one that created it.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595922 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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your morality is what you believe and made up, God has made you what u can believe or not, its your free will. That does not mean you can imagine anything and claim that its true. Can you show your charisma, that it is above God? If so how?
allegedly...god is all powerful, and he hates evil and we are all his children, he knows the number of hairs on our head.

I`m not all powerful and I also hate evil.

allegedly god could prevent all evil in the blink of an eye.

if my own child was suffering as a result of evil,(plague pestillence, famine, war, natural disaster etc) there is nothing I would not do to alleviate or prevent that suffering.

god allows his children to suffer because he has the power to prevent it and does not prevent it. You excuse this because god is big and god is powerful and it doesn`t affect him if one of his `creations` suffers, he`s just above it all.

god is what is known in the west as a `deadbeat dad`, he does absolutely nothing and contributes absolutely nothing but uses facebook(the bible, the quran) to tell the world what a great father he is and how much he loves his children while stating that everything evil which happens is the fault of someone else.

therefore my morality is superior to gods morality, or god simply does not care either way...or...and this is the reason I favour.

god does not exist.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595923 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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I post this again FOR SCORP
A child becoming sick is also a test...You must be thankful to Allah Always in everytime of happyness and suffering read. That small child having cancer or anything first of all. Gets into heaven if he dies. Second it lives, the child will have a stronger will and patience than you. Third as I said it is a test for you..will you curse God or accept what God does. God has brought you this child, it is not YOURS sure u worked a little but the rest was a blessing to you, he has simply taken it back. Plus there are always advantages to everything. for instance someone who is blind is refrained from sinning through his eyes. Someone who is deaf can not overhear or spy with his ears. I'm not saying its better, but there are always reasons that are far beyond our reasoning. The problem here is that you always try to compare yourselves to God, just because we are intelligent beings, do not forget who is your creator. If you created sand can it surpass you in shape and figure? God has created you and your brain therefore you will never surpass or even come near him by your wisdom. Unless HE has allowed it.
And that child who is sick is never left or forgotten, God watches all and loves those who keep their divinity towards him. In your case your saying the cry of the lonely oppressed ones is never heard and the oppressor gets away with it...sadly this gives atheists some evil ideas since they don't believe in God..this is another discussion anyways lastly this is also a sign of Gods powers that even the new born can be defected yet they can still live happily, for example look at Nick Vujicic he has tetra amelia syndrome but he is one of the happyist of the happyists out there. How do you reply to that?
Also it is part of life cycle yes, I mean people like you think its better and better if doctors keep on finding cures and antidotes for living and living as much as possible, but have you asked yourself why diseases exist then? Its not nice thinking this way but its true (you like this idea..) diseases help lower the population which help in sooooooo many things u can think of.
stretch of logic...you go back into facts..tell me I also forgot to say this to KittenKoder did Aristotel and Newton and others have fasts back then? no they were thinking much beyond facts until then they managed to prove what they had. You are now like the men back then who think that we are loons but on the day of judgement the exact will happen to was newton and others proved many ages ago.
why do you need to make these kinds of feeble excuses for your god?

if god wants to lower the population then he can reduce sex drive, or prevent conception, what is the purpose of allowing a child to gestate to term, live for several years, bond with their parent`s then be struck down with a terminal and agonising disease? The child suffers, then it dies, the parents watch the child suffer, the siblings of the child suffer and they suffer again when it dies.

Your excuse for these painful and terminal diseases which are survivable is that god considers them to be character building?

The benefits of being blind are that you cannot see sinful things?

The benefits of being deaf are that you cannot hear sinful things?

and the benefits of being mute are that you cannot say sinful things?

the mind simply boggles...

and finally you end with the day of judgement...

You`re really just like christians on steroids aren`t you? lol

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595924 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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LOL then simply believe XD just try hard and believe that u will believe when u study it aaaaand there u go, door's open.
When you believe without evidence you lose objectiveness, you become deluded, you become insane. You are a very good example of how belief without evidence will make you insane.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595925 Jan 30, 2013
siehjin wrote:
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please explain how your right pinky proves that leprechauns exist. as far as i can see, there is no logical connection between the two.
on the other hand, the existence of the world, in all its' complexity and beauty, logically implies that there must have been a Creator. just as a painting logically implies an artist, a building logically implies an architect, a delicious meal logically implies a chef, the existence of the universe and everything in it logically implies the existence of God.
The logic of my pinky proving leprechauns is the exact same logic you are using to state that "everything" proves a god exists. Thus you are correct, neither has a logical connection between them, and you are deluded if you think otherwise.

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#595926 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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Oh and why'd u write it with an S then? Also wrote it with an O and now OU ;p
S? ou? ;p?

An old man hits the bed. His old wife jumps out of the bathroom naked and says "Superpussy"

The old man says

"Soup"

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595927 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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When you believe without evidence you lose objectiveness, you become deluded, you become insane. You are a very good example of how belief without evidence will make you insane.
everything exists until proven otherwise...

that`s ABSOLUTE insanity.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595928 Jan 30, 2013
Scorp wrote:
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The thing is I can talk to and see the chef, architect and artist. There is solid proof they created those things. If the building just showed up one day I would be like wow I'm a believer of a miracle. If a pizza just showed up on my dinner table I would be like awesome a delicious pizza. Now that must of been created by god. Then I would sit down and pray thinking him for the meal I was about to consume. Next time you sit down and pray thinking someone for the meal, try thinking that chef. After all he is the one that created it.
Here is what I see about creations -

A creator cannot be created simple look at it this way, cars/constructs these are all made, the makers of those are NOT made they are created thus the creator of those creations cannot be either made nor created.

I still stick with the cause and effect, God cannot be subjected as an effect, since he is not an effect there is no cause for God.
Time is something man brought up, which is simply an indicator of events that occur during a period, in which they labeled and gave it an identity. Space...same man brought it up

If u try to think time<God or time>God or time=God all are rejected by my religion, for only God is omniscient and we will never and can never ever reach that knowledge because He has not let it be for us. If we knew then there will be a weakspot and if there was a weakspot then God would not be God..
Scorp

San Antonio, TX

#595929 Jan 30, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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why do you need to make these kinds of feeble excuses for your god?
if god wants to lower the population then he can reduce sex drive, or prevent conception, what is the purpose of allowing a child to gestate to term, live for several years, bond with their parent`s then be struck down with a terminal and agonising disease? The child suffers, then it dies, the parents watch the child suffer, the siblings of the child suffer and they suffer again when it dies.
Your excuse for these painful and terminal diseases which are survivable is that god considers them to be character building?
The benefits of being blind are that you cannot see sinful things?
The benefits of being deaf are that you cannot hear sinful things?
and the benefits of being mute are that you cannot say sinful things?
the mind simply boggles...
and finally you end with the day of judgement...
You`re really just like christians on steroids aren`t you? lol
What kind of god kills children??? Takes loving parents from a family? If I were god I would be striking down all the murders, thieves, etc. What's he doing trying to build character? If there is a god he going about things wrong.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595930 Jan 30, 2013
Scorp wrote:
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What kind of god kills children??? Takes loving parents from a family? If I were god I would be striking down all the murders, thieves, etc. What's he doing trying to build character? If there is a god he going about things wrong.
it`s all part of his plan, he does nothing without a reason.

...but he gave us freewill.

there`s a plan...and we have freewill...plan+freewill=nulli ty

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595931 Jan 30, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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if my own child was suffering as a result of evil,(plague pestillence, famine, war, natural disaster etc) there is nothing I would not do to alleviate or prevent that suffering.
You said it yourself "YOU" not God what he does are far from our understanding, and as I mentioned meant many things.
MisterCharrington wrote:
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god allows his children to suffer because he has the power to prevent it and does not prevent it. You excuse this because god is big and god is powerful and it doesn`t affect him if one of his `creations` suffers, he`s just above it all.
False,this is how you think, when you are sick that does not mean God hates u, God loves you, when u r sick your sinful activities are being forgiven, for when u are suffering by that disease no one is benefiting, thus you have patience and so arise, plus when u are sick you pray more and more, God loves it when you pray, this sickness is a gift that you fail to understand.
MisterCharrington wrote:
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god is what is known in the west as a `deadbeat dad`, he does absolutely nothing and contributes absolutely nothing but uses facebook(the bible, the quran) to tell the world what a great father he is and how much he loves his children while stating that everything evil which happens is the fault of someone else.
therefore my morality is superior to gods morality, or god simply does not care either way...or...and this is the reason I favour.
god does not exist.
I have already made myself clear in the previous post, no need to repeat here. One last thing, what ever your situation is compare your situation with the prophet Job and see if its worse..Job was the most patient of all, read his story (in the qur'an) and u will be stunned of his patience no man can ever reach his.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595932 Jan 30, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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why do you need to make these kinds of feeble excuses for your god?
if god wants to lower the population then he can reduce sex drive, or prevent conception, what is the purpose of allowing a child to gestate to term, live for several years, bond with their parent`s then be struck down with a terminal and agonising disease? The child suffers, then it dies, the parents watch the child suffer, the siblings of the child suffer and they suffer again when it dies.
Your excuse for these painful and terminal diseases which are survivable is that god considers them to be character building?
The benefits of being blind are that you cannot see sinful things?
The benefits of being deaf are that you cannot hear sinful things?
and the benefits of being mute are that you cannot say sinful things?
the mind simply boggles...
and finally you end with the day of judgement...
You`re really just like christians on steroids aren`t you? lol
I have already answered u in the post just now, you feel this, what u said is just something terrible that your mind cannot comprehend. You fail to see beyond. You fail to understand that God's ways of views are too high for us to understand, one of which many this child could have been a test again which he usually fails, only the wise and patient succeed. God will give you another child, why the sadness that child goes straight to heaven.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595933 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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You said it yourself "YOU" not God what he does are far from our understanding, and as I mentioned meant many things.
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False,this is how you think, when you are sick that does not mean God hates u, God loves you, when u r sick your sinful activities are being forgiven, for when u are suffering by that disease no one is benefiting, thus you have patience and so arise, plus when u are sick you pray more and more, God loves it when you pray, this sickness is a gift that you fail to understand.
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I have already made myself clear in the previous post, no need to repeat here. One last thing, what ever your situation is compare your situation with the prophet Job and see if its worse..Job was the most patient of all, read his story (in the qur'an) and u will be stunned of his patience no man can ever reach his.
Wait, so you're excusing your god's lack of care by saying that suffering is a good thing? You are insane.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595934 Jan 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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When you believe without evidence you lose objectiveness, you become deluded, you become insane. You are a very good example of how belief without evidence will make you insane.
Thus all scientists and other brilliant scholars and philosophers are insane...don't u know that sometimes to prove something you must belief first. EVERYONE knows that its called inspiration and hope, which in our case her it is neither of those but faith.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595935 Jan 30, 2013
@Mr.charrington u will never understand because it is something too overwhelming for you and u only see the bad side of it, hence you will never achieve anything. No point in arguing further into it..

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#595936 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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God cannot be subjected as an effect, since he is not an effect there is no cause for God.
You do understand what I do here, right?

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595937 Jan 30, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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Here is what I see about creations -
A creator cannot be created simple look at it this way, cars/constructs these are all made, the makers of those are NOT made they are created thus the creator of those creations cannot be either made nor created.
I still stick with the cause and effect, God cannot be subjected as an effect, since he is not an effect there is no cause for God.
Time is something man brought up, which is simply an indicator of events that occur during a period, in which they labeled and gave it an identity. Space...same man brought it up
If u try to think time<God or time>God or time=God all are rejected by my religion, for only God is omniscient and we will never and can never ever reach that knowledge because He has not let it be for us. If we knew then there will be a weakspot and if there was a weakspot then God would not be God..
You cannot stick with cause and effect or you would ask "What caused god?".

Then you postulate that god must exist outside spacetime because that`s the only way he could exist.

This is called `special pleading` where you set up circumstances to enable your god to exist in the form you want him to exist. You have no evidence he exists outside spacetime, but if he didn`t there would be no god...so he must exist outside spacetime or he doesn`t exist, but you are unable to consider the notion that he doesn`t exist.

You god needs special pleadings and cognitive dissonance to stand a chance in an argument, without these he is powerless.

Lets try a little thought experiment shall we?

Imagine for 1 hour on earth all of the places of worship fell silent and people were physically unable to mention the name of their god or even think about their god. What other indications would there be to show that gods exist?

There would be none, gods depend on people talking about them or they simply cease to be.

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