Prove there's a god.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595623 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm just gonna stick to this one sentence because it seem syour whole idea is based off of it. But you're wrong.
Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
And yes this one too

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#595624 Jan 29, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I will ask you again because I haven't forgotten that you didn't answer earlier:
Let's say the founding fathers were all Jews. Would you have converted to Judaism?
What DIFFERENCE does it make what the founding fathers did or did not believe and why should that have ANY influence or make ANY difference regarding what YOU believe?
Anyway, here, STUPID- now go argue with wiki.
"The religious views of Thomas Jefferson diverged widely from the orthodox Christianity of his day.
Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, religious studies, and morality.[1]
Jefferson was most closely connected with Unitarianism and the religious philosophy of Christian deism.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson...
I tried asking RidiculousRedneck if he wondered why Jefferson wrote his own bible.

He didn't even know about it.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595625 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm just gonna stick to this one sentence because it seem syour whole idea is based off of it. But you're wrong.
Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
I don`t need to use that line.

I simply used the logical premise that a god with the attributes afforded to him by the bible has the power to prevent evil.

He has the knowledge of all things which were, are and shall be; that`s predestination, bye bye free will.

He does not prevent all of the things which are allegedly attributable to mankinds free will.

How can the biblical description of such a god be accurate then?

Since: Oct 12

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#595626 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm just gonna stick to this one sentence because it seem syour whole idea is based off of it. But you're wrong.
Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
You know if the lord, who is pure and divine, does everything, then there can't be evil and bad things. Everything is good then, even the evil, coz it done by the good lord! He can't make a mistake, everything is just perfect!

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#595627 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Fine. Since other people don't matter let's just focus on you and I, not "Christians and scientists".
What would you like to discuss?

Oh... I know!

Prove there's a god.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595628 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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I would like to but in the best form and structure, but since u want a refutation now I could tell u what I remember.
If God is omniscient then..
If God is...
If....
What I do remember was that this is not valid or sound, by not being modus ponens ot tolens I'm trying to remember though.
Still it does not matter to me much, since I'm assured there is perfect shut down for it. Reason is, if there was not, then I would still be discussing it with the professor or been convinced or he would be..
It`s a paradox, you can`t shut it down. Thats the nature of a paradox.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#595629 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
So do you follow a prophet who is susceptible to sin? How you call them prophets I don't understand.
I don't follow human prophets. You do.
Well then explain to me why the quran mentions the earth was spherical?
Because the quran was written at a much later date, when everyone knew the earth was a sphere.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595630 Jan 29, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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he wants to know the name of the paradox so he can find a good apologist site...
because that would be impossible to do...on the internet
I know...I know.....scary isn`t it?
The doctrine of `waqf` has done this to the Islamic world.
Dream on. I already told u that it did not matter to me because I have already encountered it before. What is the doctrine of waqf? is that an arabic word? and I wanted to know the name yes, to give u the perfect response that's all. If your not interested in other peoples ideas or views (sites) then why ask? Or are you just interested in knowing how much I know? I'm not here to prove to you that I'm knowledgeable or not I'm just here for discussing the matter of the existence of God.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595631 Jan 29, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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this is a good cop bad cop routine, when this fool is done, I will think christianity is moral (by comparison)
How so? show me.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#595632 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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I agree. However, do u not believe in probablity? I believe u do...so, you should stick with the higher chances correct? Now the chances of the world being formed or universe by chance, especially this exact perfection!! absolutely precise rotation, and angel gravity,heat, life forms etc is as u should know ridiculously small that its really hard to believe. On the other hand, if all this has been created by God that would seem much of a higher chance sin God would is capable of everything. The chances of God created all this is higher I assure you, since I have asked this to not one but many professors at my college. Just for your information not all of them were theists too, but I could not discuss why they pick the lower chance, because they were not interested...SADLY
What do you mean by "believe in" probability?

What's so "exactly perfect" about our universe? Pick one of your examples and elaborate.

Your "on the other hand" is an employment of another logical fallacy... it's called “Argument from incredulity”.

Look it up.

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595633 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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Dream on. I already told u that it did not matter to me because I have already encountered it before. What is the doctrine of waqf? is that an arabic word? and I wanted to know the name yes, to give u the perfect response that's all. If your not interested in other peoples ideas or views (sites) then why ask? Or are you just interested in knowing how much I know? I'm not here to prove to you that I'm knowledgeable or not I'm just here for discussing the matter of the existence of God.
I don`t want the perfect response from a person who has been working on that response all his academic life, I want your response.

"Waqf" is certainly an arabic word, it relates to the subject of trusts for educational purposes and how the Wakifs who have held the money for arabic universities have prevented and stifled Islamic learning in the fields of philosophy and the natural sciences just in case the students become the Kufr.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#595635 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Still haven't heard of any qualifications....
You never asked for any. You just said "Bullsh!t" and went all fundy on me.

Again... do you even remember what was being discussed?
Why? I can't force to you to believe in God.
You can't force me not to believe.
Isn't that the purpose?
Now you flip it back over to "God"?

I wasn't referring to that discussion. I was referring to that other discussion.

Once again...

Do you remember what it was about?

Since: May 11

Glasgow, UK

#595636 Jan 29, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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What do you mean by "believe in" probability?
What's so "exactly perfect" about our universe? Pick one of your examples and elaborate.
Your "on the other hand" is an employment of another logical fallacy... it's called “Argument from incredulity”.
Look it up.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fiMAJ8jeK0U/TSe5gZQ...

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595637 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't follow human prophets. You do.
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Because the quran was written at a much later date, when everyone knew the earth was a sphere.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't follow human prophets. You do.
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Before the birth of Jesus, why did the people follow the prophets that are mentioned in the bible?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Because the quran was written at a much later date, when everyone knew the earth was a sphere.
Wrong!! not everyone knew, it was a simple opinion.In fact the majority disagreed and thought the earth is flat. Back then, philosophers claimed and tried to prove by mathematics. Yet it was said in the quran that the earth is spherical.

Since: Oct 12

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#595638 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't follow human prophets. You do.
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Because the quran was written at a much later date, when everyone knew the earth was a sphere.
Maybe Mohammed went over to India and read the hindu scriptures that imply the earth is a sphere? Maybe, u never know! People did use to travel far far far away in the olden days too, u know!

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595639 Jan 29, 2013
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How do you know my paypal password? ><

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#595640 Jan 29, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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I`m going to rehearse this once and only once.
To be polite I`m going to begin with the priori "god exists".
This god who exists is omniscient, and omnipresent and omnibenevolent.
A perfectly good and benevolent being would by nature want to prevent all evils, loving all of his creations equally.
The omniscient being knows every way that evil can occur, from the birth of a dictator to the flash flood on a remote mountain which kills the fawn and the doe and all the other little critters.
A god who knows the origin of every evil and who can stop said evil and who wants to do so WOULD do so.
If an omnipresent, omniscient and omnibenevolent being exists then evil would not exist.
A man who makes an evil choice is condemned to hell, god knows the results of that mans life before it is lived, he is after all omniscient.
So either god allows evil people or people destined for hell to be born to simply stoke the flames of hell, because he already knows the outcome or evil does not exist.
Evil exists therefore god does not.
It is simple logic and I think if you refer to the premises I made first they are all borne out by scripture. You can`t have it both ways.
Point well taken Charrington.
So that then leads us to one of three possible explanations
1. God does not exist... or
2. He exist but Is not what he is supposed to be...or
3. He is all that he is supposed be but not every reason or fact is known to us to answer those questions.

We could use the free will theory, or just say that natural evil exists to give humans an opportunity to learn, grow and adapt.

I honestly can't say that I know why Charrington. Because if I had all the answers then I would be God. These enigmatic questions may simply be a
Tool for humanity to theorize, to search deep and ask about us to continue to allow humanity to grow.
Just saying.

Since: Oct 10

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#595641 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't follow human prophets. You do.
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Are you saying that Jesus wasn't human or that he wasn't a prophet?
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#595642 Jan 29, 2013
there is a GOD,
even as children, we knew
but at one point growing up
as adults, we start to misbehave,
something happens, some turn stupid, with all respect
some believe, as adults, they can do what they want
especially in secret,
some don't believe, they shouldn't have to answer to anyone, especially to GOD
they believe by denying that there is no GOD,
they feel, they can get away and not be responsible for their actions
sooner or later, they will see
there is a GOD
hopefully, it's not too late,
for some

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595643 Jan 29, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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I don`t want the perfect response from a person who has been working on that response all his academic life, I want your response.
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Why may I ask? Are you just interested in knowing how much I know? I'm not here to prove to you that I'm knowledgeable or not I'm just here for discussing the matter of the existence of God.
MisterCharrington wrote:
<quoted text>"Waqf" is certainly an arabic word, it relates to the subject of trusts for educational purposes and how the Wakifs who have held the money for arabic universities have prevented and stifled Islamic learning in the fields of philosophy and the natural sciences just in case the students become the Kufr.
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Thnx for the info I never know that, though they were simply opposing islam, since we believe learning is part of worshipping God.

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