Prove there's a god.

“Is that all you've got?”

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#595589 Jan 29, 2013
MrC wrote:
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It`s called `depraved indifference` humans tend to see that as quite amoral.
It`s like taking a picture on your camera phone as the guy tries to get back on the subway platform instead of offering him your hand.
So you don't believe in free will?

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#595590 Jan 29, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
I ignored nothing. "Other people" are irrelevant to what was being discussed.
Fine. Since other people don't matter let's just focus on you and I, not "Christians and scientists".

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595591 Jan 29, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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See previous response.
You're under this false assumption that all atheists belong to the "We Know Everything Club"... or sumpthun.
People who are atheists are every bit as varied in their interests, abilities, concerns, quirks, needs, desires, etc., etc., etc... as theists are.
The ONLY thing you need be concerned with when dealing with this atheist is that he can't be "frightened" or bullsh!tted into believing just any ol' thing.
There's precisely one (1) qualification for being an atheist...
Rejection of the claim that gods exist.
That's it.
I agree. However, do u not believe in probablity? I believe u do...so, you should stick with the higher chances correct? Now the chances of the world being formed or universe by chance, especially this exact perfection!! absolutely precise rotation, and angel gravity,heat, life forms etc is as u should know ridiculously small that its really hard to believe. On the other hand, if all this has been created by God that would seem much of a higher chance sin God would is capable of everything. The chances of God created all this is higher I assure you, since I have asked this to not one but many professors at my college. Just for your information not all of them were theists too, but I could not discuss why they pick the lower chance, because they were not interested...SADLY

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#595592 Jan 29, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Here, you flip sides with who "others" represents.
Before, you were speaking of the ignorant masses that just accept any ol' thing they're told without understanding it and without a second thought about it.
Now you're using it in reference to people that do know what they're talking about.
You just automatically assume I belong to the former group. You made that clear.
Still haven't heard of any qualifications....
I don't believe you really feel that way. If you did, we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.
Why? I can't force to you to believe in God.

You can't force me not to believe.

Isn't that the purpose?

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#595593 Jan 29, 2013
MrC wrote:
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so you`re imposing `limits` on your god?...
lol

No.

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#595594 Jan 29, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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WTH???? I was just listening to her this morning on my 8 track tape player..... say it ain't so RR.....
Funny... I don't feel old but I must be. I remember hanging out at the Kingdom of Stallions in Buena Park and partying till the sun came up during KROQ nights. Waking up face down on the hills of Tijuana with chickens all over me after night of drinking down at "La Zona Roja"
Now a days I yearn for a good book, a soft couch a quiet evening and nice fresh cup of coffee......
damn I'm old.....
yup..... I'm old.....
Ya, that's sounds like a nice night.

Just replace the coffee with beer :)

Remember Pirate Radio? What was it, 100.3 FM?

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#595595 Jan 29, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>That's a good question.
" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-... ;
You might try asking that of a professor in one of the Revisionist History classes that are being taught in our U.S. colleges now.
There's nothing like paying to learn about made-up crap, i.e., opinions.
Interesting.

Berry, berry interesting.

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#595596 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Lol, not me.
I just turn on Grand Theft Auto 4 & toss a grenade at "my" feet.
I've walked off more than a few virtual cliffs on purpose. It wasn't much of a thrill.

Playing chicken, though, is the absolute best adrenalin rush ever.

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#595597 Jan 29, 2013
OCB wrote:
Up yours, pal.

BLAH....BLAH....BLAH....

STUFF it, loser.
I prefer Astro-Glide.

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#595598 Jan 29, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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We experience time at a variable rate in our minds.
Did you see Inception? There were people that lived for a very long time inside their dreams, but were only asleep a few hours.
You'll find Mr. Right, or else you end up with Mr. Left.
I seen about 30 mins of it and then i fell asleep, i was too tired, that film requires a virtue called patience, i ain't got much, but i'm gonna try and watch it on the weekend. But before that i wanna watch race 2, it's an indian film, have u ever watched an indian film?

I don't want a Mr left!!!! It's either Mr right or nothing! Nothing, i tell u!

That reminds me of Mr men.
MrC

Glasgow, UK

#595599 Jan 29, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't believe in free will?
if a god is omniscient, and omnipresent then there can be no free will.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595600 Jan 29, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim Terrorists are so quick to commit suicide.
LETS HAVE A LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE:
- NO TELEVISION
- NO NUDE WOMEN
- NO FOOTBALL
- NO PORK CHOPS
- NO HOT DOGS
- NO BURGERS
- NO BEER
- NO BACON
- RAGS FOR CLOTHES
- TOWELS FOR HATS
- CONSTANT WAILING FROM SOME IDIOT IN A TOWER
- MORE THAN ONE WIFE
- MORE THAN ONE MOTHER IN LAW
- YOU CAN'T SHAVE
- YOUR WIFE CAN'T SHAVE
- YOU CAN'T WASH OFF THE SMELL OF DONKEY
- YOU COOK OVER BURNING CAMEL SHIT
- YOUR WIFE IS PICKED BY SOMEONE ELSE FOR YOU
- AND YOUR WIFE SMELLS WORSE THAN YOUR DONKEY
- THEN THEY TELL YOU THAT "WHEN YOU DIE, IT ALL GETS BETTER"??
WELL NO SHIT SHERLOCK!.... IT'S NOT LIKE IT COULD GET MUCH WORSE
THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!
They're not happy in Gaza .. They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya .. They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran .. They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen .. They're not happy in Afghanistan ..
They're not happy in Pakistan .. They're not happy in Syria .. They're not happy in Lebanon ..
SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?
They're happy in Australia .. They're happy in Canada .
They're happy in England .. They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy .. They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden .. They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway .. They're happy in Holland .. They're happy in Denmark .
Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is.
AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?
Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like....
THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!
How dumb can you possibly be?
So many false acquisitions- Where have u inquired this if I may ask?

- NO TELEVISION = False
- NO NUDE WOMEN = True
- NO FOOTBALL = False
- NO PORK CHOPS = True
- NO HOT DOGS = False
- NO BURGERS = False
- NO BEER = True
- NO BACON = What bacon (lard or any pig product? if so the yes its true)
- RAGS FOR CLOTHES = Explain this more please
- TOWELS FOR HATS = False
- CONSTANT WAILING FROM SOME IDIOT IN A TOWER = Not wailing, calling and False no idiot is allowed on the tower
- MORE THAN ONE WIFE = True
- MORE THAN ONE MOTHER IN LAW = True
- YOU CAN'T SHAVE = False
- YOUR WIFE CAN'T SHAVE = False
- YOU CAN'T WASH OFF THE SMELL OF DONKEY = False
- YOU COOK OVER BURNING CAMEL SHIT = Absolutely false and forbidden
- YOUR WIFE IS PICKED BY SOMEONE ELSE FOR YOU = False you pick your wife, but someone else could find and offer you.
- AND YOUR WIFE SMELLS WORSE THAN YOUR DONKEY = False, in fact we are considered the cleanest of people since we don't clean our shit with toilet paper, we WASH and we always wash before eat, praying plus its highly encouraged be clean and shave at all times, while it is highly discouraged to even eat onions lets say and go to the mosque.
- THEN THEY TELL YOU THAT "WHEN YOU DIE, IT ALL GETS BETTER"??
WELL NO SHIT SHERLOCK!.... IT'S NOT LIKE IT COULD GET MUCH WORSE
THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY! When you die a faithful one? ofcourse its better, if not ofcourse its worse...there is no switzerland here my friend its either you are faithful or not.

Oh and btw did you know the money, girls and all other shit never brought happiness, but actually misery? its only a shirt term of happiness but long term misery. As for that the happiest people are the farmers and well...the ones who live a simple life. This has been so popular that in the matrix blue or red pill...u know what I mean. And no I'm not implying that its best to live stupid and naive, because our religion dislikes those who just pray and are not knowledgeable. But, the only difference is we have something called useful and useless knowledge such as parapsychology and black magic, unless you truely believe that it will lead to a new discovery and not a waste of time.

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...are my strong suits!

#595601 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
<quoted text>A creator cannot be created simple look at it this way, cars/constructs these are all made, the makers of those are NOT made they are created thus the creator of those creations cannot be either made nor created.
Have you ever met a creator of anything... be it an artist, a builder, a composer... that didn't have to be created?

Cars have been observed being built...


Do you have a video of our universe being constructed?
Yes I still stick with the cause and effect, but God cannot be subjected as an effect, since he is not an effect there is no cause for God.
The strategy you're attempting to employ here is called “Special Pleading”.

Look it up.
You simply proved my point for the your last example, TIME is something man brought up, which is simply an indicator of events that occur during a period, in which they labeled and gave it an identity. Space...same man brought it up as a measure between distances and dimensions. However, all that existed not by us we simply identify, but do not create, thus it had been created if u say made then how is the creator of those makers?
Okay...

I realize that English is a second language for you... and you're doing pretty good with it... but, I'm not sure what the crux of your question is here.

Time is one of my favorite subjects. We my get deeper into it as our exchange progresses.

For now...

Even though, based on observation, science has put an "age" (as well as a size; the two go hand-in-hand) to our universe... you first need to understand that the figures arrived at only apply to our *observable* universe.

Also...

Those figures don't specifically identify a "point-of-origin". BBT (Big Bang Theory) does not deal with origin. It's only a description (a few different flavors) of how our universe developed in the intervening time from a moment very early on and all the way up to the present.

There's a word... asymptote (asymptotic, asymptotically)... the meaning of which must be taken into consideration when attempting to nail down an exact point-of-origin for our universe. Loosely stated, "asymptotic" means >>> moving toward a value but never arriving at that value. General Relativity tells us that time in the early universe would become more and more dilated as we work our way back toward origin. To put it simply... one can't get there from here because any given duration becomes expanded toward infinity as origin is approached.

It works both ways >>> dilation is in effect whether we're examining that "time" in reverse or in forward. General Relativity prevents us from having to deal with the universe's origin in the first place.

However, that doesn't mean can't discuss the concept... and even go beyond it.
"the concept of a beginning for the universe is MEANINGLESS." I'm afraid u said something that all atheists disagree with you on that point, since atheists say that our very purpose for living and that we are all here is simply for learning, which in this case is meaningful.
I didn't say any of that... and, as previously stated, I don't speak for all atheists.
I do not have to prove that since "common sense" tells us that. Its just not comprehendable, How can it "always existed" that cannot be digested it just cannot think about it, it even hurts your head if you do.
My head feels fine.

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#595602 Jan 29, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I will ask you again because I haven't forgotten that you didn't answer earlier:
Let's say the founding fathers were all Jews. Would you have converted to Judaism?
What DIFFERENCE does it make what the founding fathers did or did not believe and why should that have ANY influence or make ANY difference regarding what YOU believe?
No, it would've made no difference to me whatsoever. Jews are weird.
Anyway, here, STUPID- now go argue with wiki.
"The religious views of Thomas Jefferson diverged widely from the orthodox Christianity of his day.
Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, religious studies, and morality.[1]
Jefferson was most closely connected with Unitarianism and the religious philosophy of Christian deism.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson...
Argue with Wiki? WTF?

Why, they say the same thing I do...

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595603 Jan 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, I would not eat my ass.
Well same here, why then do you think I care about those foolish kidnappers, who convert christians to "their false islam"?

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#595604 Jan 29, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Don't forget that she told the cat that God was forcing her hand; that it was his fault she was paying a vet to give it the needle.
xD
I think we should give Mylan some intermission time to go back to sucking on that tailpipe that he loves so much.
Right, right, right. How could I forget?

It was the evil god that created a mortal heart that did in the cat.....

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Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#595605 Jan 29, 2013
MrC wrote:
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if a god is omniscient, and omnipresent then there can be no free will.
How so????

nano hit it on the head when she said:

"Having knowledge of events does not mean the owner of that knowledge has interfered with the events that happened. If a being has lived for eternity and traveled through time, at will, it could know every event that has ever happened...without having "caused" another being's choices"

just that statement alone can explain that perceived catch 22.

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#595606 Jan 29, 2013
MrC wrote:
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if a god is omniscient, and omnipresent then there can be no free will.
So if you've memorized the words of a song you can no longer play the song?

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#595607 Jan 29, 2013
This is what Redneck saw:
Victor Belmont wrote:
- NO NUDE WOMEN = True

- NO BEER = True

- MORE THAN ONE MOTHER IN LAW = True
Why the f_ck would anyone want to be Muslim?

(I mean except of course the women that are kidnapped and frced into it - I don't think they "want" to be Muslim...)

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...are my strong suits!

#595608 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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that MATH you call now was thought to be dark magic back then, which you now think our religion is a falsehood or Delusion, we are still at the same place you the non-believer we believer back then you the non-believer of science and logic we the believers of it. Also, you replied only in regards to Newton, whatabout the rest? not all of them used math.
I dunno... What about the rest?

Why are you trying to use math?

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