Prove there's a god.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595273 Jan 28, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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But Kuwait is far more rich from their oil than Dubai. Dubai benefits from its place as the financial center for that part of the world, the London, Tokyo, New York. And now tourism.
And the city is incredible. You have to see it to believe it. The Burj Khalifa building is almost a kilometer tall (843 meters or so).
You have to carry a fat wallet, too.
I alsready know I have seen it, have u visited a restaurant called chillout? the entire restaurant is made out of ice and I literally mean EVERYTHING.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595274 Jan 28, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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Your the one who failed to argue, I did not make this up like magic or randomness its based on logic, unless your logic is glitched.
Tell us, why do you dismiss Zeus?

It is you who failed, not me. Answer the question.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595275 Jan 28, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Math has nothing to do with it... not in the sense you're grabb'n for.
Can you prove to me that our universe was "created"? Can you prove that it hasn't always existed? Perhaps, and even certainly, not in the form it exists in now... but that it hasn't always existed none-the-less?
You see?... I don't know.
Ans I don't believe you do either.
To give you an idea of where I'm coming from...
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Explain how your god exists if it wasn't created... creations=existence.
You're saying to me non-creations=existence. Somehow this does not make sense as in maths 1=1 not 0=1 and common sense is one of your highest valued attributes or am I wrong? Therefore if 0=1 is never possible how can non-creations=existence?
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See how that works?
ok then howbout this?

If you were living in past times I would be on the sides of newton and other philosophers who were mainly depicted as loons but the others who back at their time were similar to you (atheists) except that they are not developed much. Now then here at this present moment its exactly the same back then which I explain to you something that you find hard to believe and keep rejecting. I really do not see any difference between you people and the people back then who thought science was dark magic and feared knowledge.

yes not necessarily solid proof, however use reasoning and common sense which will sure prove it.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#595276 Jan 28, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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I alsready know I have seen it, have u visited a restaurant called chillout? the entire restaurant is made out of ice and I literally mean EVERYTHING.
No, but they also have an indoor ski area, inside a huuuuuge building, with slopes for skiing and chairlifts and everything.

I ate at the lounge in the Burj Al Arab hotel, amazing. Another restaurant, we had to go by boat in the Persian Gulf.

Only problem, perhaps in Kuwait too, the desert heat many months of the year. An oven.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595277 Jan 28, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Math has nothing to do with it... not in the sense you're grabb'n for.
Can you prove to me that our universe was "created"? Can you prove that it hasn't always existed? Perhaps, and even certainly, not in the form it exists in now... but that it hasn't always existed none-the-less?
You see?... I don't know.
Ans I don't believe you do either.
To give you an idea of where I'm coming from...
---
Explain how your god exists if it wasn't created... creations=existence.
You're saying to me non-creations=existence. Somehow this does not make sense as in maths 1=1 not 0=1 and common sense is one of your highest valued attributes or am I wrong? Therefore if 0=1 is never possible how can non-creations=existence?
---
See how that works?
Wll ok then since it would be hard to prove how the universe existed, whatabout probability?

We believe that there is no randomness, which is much greater chances of becoming true, since the chances of random effects resulting in the creation of the world as it is right now, is hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighly insanely almost cannot even be calculated small. something like 0.billion of billion of...till "1" I'm certain I explained this before to a person here who I never received any reply from. In the end we go back to atheism in believing valuing knowledge as they claim to do so, thus in this case mathematics well..the calculations are a proof in your eyes right now!! you have no excuse to to follow the least chances, or am I wrong in my calculations?

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#595278 Jan 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Tell us, why do you dismiss Zeus?
It is you who failed, not me. Answer the question.
I dismiss zues because I follow my path simple as that.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#595279 Jan 28, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
Math has nothing to do with it... not in the sense you're grabb'n for.
Can you prove to me that our universe was "created"? Can you prove that it hasn't always existed? Perhaps, and even certainly, not in the form it exists in now... but that it hasn't always existed none-the-less?
You see?... I don't know.
Ans I don't believe you do either.
To give you an idea of where I'm coming from...
---
Explain how your god exists if it wasn't created... creations=existence.
You're saying to me non-creations=existence. Somehow this does not make sense as in maths 1=1 not 0=1 and common sense is one of your highest valued attributes or am I wrong? Therefore if 0=1 is never possible how can non-creations=existence?
---
See how that works?
I swear! This is sound'n more like the palmdale rodeo sockpuppet gang an the bubonic assassin all the time! We'er gonna be hear'n 'bout Nambla & gays right quick here.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595280 Jan 28, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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ok then howbout this?
If you were living in past times I would be on the sides of newton and other philosophers who were mainly depicted as loons but the others who back at their time were similar to you (atheists) except that they are not developed much. Now then here at this present moment its exactly the same back then which I explain to you something that you find hard to believe and keep rejecting. I really do not see any difference between you people and the people back then who thought science was dark magic and feared knowledge.
yes not necessarily solid proof, however use reasoning and common sense which will sure prove it.
Common sense has never produce quality results, it is a throw back reflex to help us survive by making us imagine monsters in the shadows. It's archaic and does nothing to provide any facts.
vbenoit

Welsh, LA

#595281 Jan 28, 2013
Here what I got to say about all that. If there wasn't a God then there will be no need for morals or right and wrong. What causes us to believe that killing is wrong. The fact is if there is no one to answer to then why is there a law not to kill, steal, and so on. Why do we find it wrong to commit adultery. We feel these things are wrong. We don't have to be taught that it is wrong, we already know it is. So, most of us have a moral compass set into us to a point. What is the point if we never have to answer to anyone for our actions, but we do have to answer and that is why we know it is wrong.
Now science came around to prove God not to disprove God. Geez Albert Einstein believed in God and so did many more.
Also, many things that have been proven with science is the past years, was talked about in the bible way before science said it was fact.
But all you really need to do it look around you, look at yourself and that is all you truly need to know that a creator must of created us.
Damn think about computers and technology we as human created, it took a human to create that. So, how do you think that something as advance as us, nature, and the universe was not created. That thought process is beyond me. Obviously we were created.
God is not flawed, religion is.
The fact is people who don't want to believe, just don't want to answer to anyone for there actions and they want to live however makes the feel good.
And why does it bother others who don't believe, when someone does. At least when they die they died probably happier then the ones who don't believe in God. At least they believe they will go to a better place.
What gets to me if people who don't believe in God, If they truly felt that there was no creator or higher being, then why do they keep looking for answers and asking questions like the one above. You wouldn't need proof, ask for proof, or look for proof if you truly didn't believe. So, like it was said before prove that there isn't one. If you didn't believe you would prove there wasn't one, not asked me or others to prove there was one. Faith is believing without seeing, not seeing then believing. Never the less, you don't need to be shown anything to have enough intelligence to realize that the world and everything in it had to be created it was not done by chance. Learn something about yourself, the universe, and nature and then tell me that just happen by chance. That is like saying the first computer came along by chance no one had to create it. Come on you have to be smarter then that.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595282 Jan 28, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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I dismiss zues because I follow my path simple as that.
But Zeus has more evidence supporting him based on your standards of evidence. So why do you not accept Zeus instead of your god?

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#595283 Jan 28, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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ok then howbout this?
If you were living in past times I would be on the sides of newton and other philosophers who were mainly depicted as loons but the others who back at their time were similar to you (atheists) except that they are not developed much. Now then here at this present moment its exactly the same back then which I explain to you something that you find hard to believe and keep rejecting. I really do not see any difference between you people and the people back then who thought science was dark magic and feared knowledge.
yes not necessarily solid proof, however use reasoning and common sense which will sure prove it.
You're forgetting one not-so-minor detail.

Newton used math to PROVE, conclusively, in matters of science, that his way of thinking was correct. He gave scientists of the day no other choice but to fall in line. His book, "The Principia", is still regarded as one of the most paradigm shattering works ever put forth.

0 =/= 1... while arguably true... does NOT compare to what Newton gave us.

Sorry.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595284 Jan 28, 2013
vbenoit wrote:
Here what I got to say about all that. If there wasn't a God then there will be no need for morals or right and wrong. What causes us to believe that killing is wrong. The fact is if there is no one to answer to then why is there a law not to kill, steal, and so on. Why do we find it wrong to commit adultery. We feel these things are wrong. We don't have to be taught that it is wrong, we already know it is. So, most of us have a moral compass set into us to a point. What is the point if we never have to answer to anyone for our actions, but we do have to answer and that is why we know it is wrong.
Now science came around to prove God not to disprove God. Geez Albert Einstein believed in God and so did many more.
Also, many things that have been proven with science is the past years, was talked about in the bible way before science said it was fact.
But all you really need to do it look around you, look at yourself and that is all you truly need to know that a creator must of created us.
Damn think about computers and technology we as human created, it took a human to create that. So, how do you think that something as advance as us, nature, and the universe was not created. That thought process is beyond me. Obviously we were created.
God is not flawed, religion is.
The fact is people who don't want to believe, just don't want to answer to anyone for there actions and they want to live however makes the feel good.
And why does it bother others who don't believe, when someone does. At least when they die they died probably happier then the ones who don't believe in God. At least they believe they will go to a better place.
What gets to me if people who don't believe in God, If they truly felt that there was no creator or higher being, then why do they keep looking for answers and asking questions like the one above. You wouldn't need proof, ask for proof, or look for proof if you truly didn't believe. So, like it was said before prove that there isn't one. If you didn't believe you would prove there wasn't one, not asked me or others to prove there was one. Faith is believing without seeing, not seeing then believing. Never the less, you don't need to be shown anything to have enough intelligence to realize that the world and everything in it had to be created it was not done by chance. Learn something about yourself, the universe, and nature and then tell me that just happen by chance. That is like saying the first computer came along by chance no one had to create it. Come on you have to be smarter then that.
Nothing but fallacies, epic fail.
vbenoit

Welsh, LA

#595285 Jan 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nothing but fallacies, epic fail.
That all u can say cause your knowledge is limited. Knowledge brings truth and understanding
vbenoit

Welsh, LA

#595286 Jan 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nothing but fallacies, epic fail.
The only epic fail is your explanation and argument on what u believe. Learn a little more on Zeus and his origins before pushing him. I am done.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#595287 Jan 28, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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Wll ok then since it would be hard to prove how the universe existed, whatabout probability?
We believe that there is no randomness, which is much greater chances of becoming true, since the chances of random effects resulting in the creation of the world as it is right now, is hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighly insanely almost cannot even be calculated small. something like 0.billion of billion of...till "1" I'm certain I explained this before to a person here who I never received any reply from. In the end we go back to atheism in believing valuing knowledge as they claim to do so, thus in this case mathematics well..the calculations are a proof in your eyes right now!! you have no excuse to to follow the least chances, or am I wrong in my calculations?
See previous response.

You're under this false assumption that all atheists belong to the "We Know Everything Club"... or sumpthun.

People who are atheists are every bit as varied in their interests, abilities, concerns, quirks, needs, desires, etc., etc., etc... as theists are.

The ONLY thing you need be concerned with when dealing with this atheist is that he can't be "frightened" or bullsh!tted into believing just any ol' thing.

There's precisely one (1) qualification for being an atheist...

Rejection of the claim that gods exist.

That's it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#595288 Jan 28, 2013
vbenoit wrote:
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The only epic fail is your explanation and argument on what u believe. Learn a little more on Zeus and his origins before pushing him. I am done.
I don't believe in any of your gods, they're all myths. But based on your standard of evidence, Zeus has more evidence than your god.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#595289 Jan 28, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> I swear! This is sound'n more like the palmdale rodeo sockpuppet gang an the bubonic assassin all the time! We'er gonna be hear'n 'bout Nambla & gays right quick here.
Or maybe a sentient root that jumps up and hits ya in da mouf.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#595290 Jan 28, 2013
vbenoit wrote:
Here what I got to say about all that.
&NR =1&feature=endscreen

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#595291 Jan 28, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> I swear! This is sound'n more like the palmdale rodeo sockpuppet gang an the bubonic assassin all the time! We'er gonna be hear'n 'bout Nambla & gays right quick here.
This dog's watch be over, Cap'm.

Ah'm goin' before the mast.

G'night Sir.

Arrr!

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#595292 Jan 28, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Or maybe a sentient root that jumps up and hits ya in da mouf.
That's jist istan-bull.

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