Prove there's a god.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#594370 Jan 27, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Assertion. <quoted text> If atheism is right then rights are from men and they can be taken away by men..
DUH, what friggin planet are you on?? where have you been.

In case you hadn't noticed, men have been taking away the rights of other men for thousands of years.

How long did Europeans and Americans take slaves from Africa??

This nation almost split because of slavery.

What did Hitler, Mao, Stalin do???

Since: Jun 12

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#594371 Jan 27, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
Really, atheism is responsible for all the major atrocities against man because there is no accountability to god for anything.
Exactly.
Gee and almost all the major atrocities and genocides committed throughout history were committed in the name of god, particularly the Judeo-Christian god.
BS. The Civil War, WW1 and WW2 were not religious wars. There may have been a religious component but they were fought for other reasons. Most wars were fought for reasons other than religion exclusively.
Have you ever read your own Bible. God commands the Israelites on many occasions to commit genocide in his name, wiping out entire kingdoms.
I answered that! You ignore a boatload! The fact they were given 400 years to turn things around falls on deaf ears! The list of offenses. The fact they were time specific.
Not only did they kill the men, but the children and animals too. In many cases the women were spared to be raped and taken as slaves.[QUOTE] Show me one explicit example were a woman was raped! Slavery was the norm in ancient cultures and exists in many parts of the world today. Atheists and critics only use these examples as a means to discredit Scripture which is their real agenda. They do not really care about slavery or atrocities in any meaningful way which would cost them anything or remove them from their comfort zone.
[QUOTE] Skip forward to the European Middle Ages and the centuries of religious warfare between.....Who????/
wait for it.......
yup, CHRISTIANS.
who started the Crusades?
Muslem aggression.
who started the Inquisition (no not the Mel Brooks version)
who started the Spanish Inquistion
Do you define Christianity by atrocities committed in defiance of the teachings of its Founder? The mis use of a thing do not invalidate the legitimate use of a thing.
Europeans were satisfied with killing themselves, they went and colonized the world, in order to spread the world of god
wiping out thousands of native civilizations around the globe
and gee who started that whole slavery thing, using the Bible and the story of Noah's son Shem to justify slavery
Slavery was universal in the ancient world. With or without the Bible. Slavery did not derive from the Bible. If so prove it! You ignore atrocities committed under the French Revolution and 20th century atheistic regimes in which millions were killed or imprisoned. Once again selective in your report.
Hitler thought he was doing the work of God by eliminating the Jewish race
Hitler was atheistic in his actions. If he knew he would have to account to God for the murder of innocents and all other crimes against humanity he would not have done what he did.
or more recent history the genocides of the 90's Balkan wars, started by the Serbs, all christians...
even the genocide in Rwhanda has its roots in Christianity.
Dude, give me a break....Christianity is one of the most brutual, genocide committing religions the world has ever seen
Give me a break. Your definition has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. You define Christianity by atrocities committed but that has never been the correct definition and if you do not know that then your mind is hopelessly polluted by your hatred of a thing you obviously have no wish to understand. Yours are the rantings of a hardened bigot. Nothing more.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#594372 Jan 27, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
I see you love that word.
Yes, I have studied it in the medical world and if you knew why the mind goes into this state then you would understand why it describes religious people very well. Delusion and faith share many components..

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#594373 Jan 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the truth!
It's like sibling rivalry, spank the kids and tell them to shup! lol
If u say so!

I have no idea how u related that to what i said!

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#594374 Jan 27, 2013
stop polical correctness wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheists are technically evil people? Huh – well ‘splain Bacha Bazi (boy-play) and Muslims? And let’s talk about priests and pedophilic behavior. What do both of these religions have in common? Exposure to young boys and they take advantage of it in the most evil of ways. An atheist does not capitalize on people’s weaknesses and take advantage of young children in the name of the Lord or in the name of God or in the name of Allah or whoever. Evil is engrained in religion as far back as it’s history. Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in 1850, Members of lndia’s Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to appease the bloodthirsty goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the 1500s, The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass killing of a wagon train at Mountain Meadows in Utah Territory on September 11, 1857, by a group of Mormons. My favorite - The Medieval Inquisition is a series of Inquisitions using torture where the hands were bound behind the back with a rope, and the accused was suspended this way, dislocating the joints painfully in both arms. Weights could be added to the legs dislocating those joints as well.“The Great Persecution” in Rome 64 AD. The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought human sacrifice to table. And the king of queens - Islamic jihads (holy wars), mandated by the Koran, killed millions over 12 centuries. In early years, Muslim armies spread the faith rapidly: east to India and west to Morocco.
Atheists evil? Come on – Religion rules in the evil category.
What you have read throughout history is after the prophet Mohammed's death. Sadly there has been scandals and we now have some separate paths Sunni and Shiite. I'm Shiite we differ in some ways and if you read about the Shiite history you will see that we have a clean and wonderful history unlike those which you have read so far.

Oh and About Atheism (Evil People) I just opened the new thread its called "Are Atheists Good People?" I'll gladly discuss everything there (:

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#594375 Jan 27, 2013
stop polical correctness wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheists are technically evil people? Huh – well ‘splain Bacha Bazi (boy-play) and Muslims? And let’s talk about priests and pedophilic behavior. What do both of these religions have in common? Exposure to young boys and they take advantage of it in the most evil of ways. An atheist does not capitalize on people’s weaknesses and take advantage of young children in the name of the Lord or in the name of God or in the name of Allah or whoever. Evil is engrained in religion as far back as it’s history. Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in 1850, Members of lndia’s Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to appease the bloodthirsty goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the 1500s, The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass killing of a wagon train at Mountain Meadows in Utah Territory on September 11, 1857, by a group of Mormons. My favorite - The Medieval Inquisition is a series of Inquisitions using torture where the hands were bound behind the back with a rope, and the accused was suspended this way, dislocating the joints painfully in both arms. Weights could be added to the legs dislocating those joints as well.“The Great Persecution” in Rome 64 AD. The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought human sacrifice to table. And the king of queens - Islamic jihads (holy wars), mandated by the Koran, killed millions over 12 centuries. In early years, Muslim armies spread the faith rapidly: east to India and west to Morocco.
Atheists evil? Come on – Religion rules in the evil category.
I like the witches test they employed.
Bind her with heavy chains, and toss her in the water, if she floats she has the devil in her.
If she sinks and drowns , she is innocent.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#594376 Jan 27, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe because she doesn't want to waste her time, knowing how you would have answered my question.
....Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.....simple as that

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#594377 Jan 27, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes we are different, I have no need to explain how because we are different in so many ways you can look it up, but we respect all religions and respect other non-believers as humans, but we do not respect those who disdain us and our religion.
You are from the same bloody tree! How can u not get that?

Some of your rituals are the same and some are different, but that doesn't mean you're not from the same family!

"we respect all religions and respect other non-believers as humans"

Your history says a lot different, lol, read it!

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#594378 Jan 27, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe because she doesn't want to waste her time, knowing how you would have answered my question.
and what about my reply with the story about that sick little girls? is she a waste of time too?

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#594379 Jan 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I have no need to because it fails the first assertion. "God's direct words" is a lie!
Gods direct words were brought down on the quran, thus one of the example is the Earth is spherical. So your saying that the Earth is spherical is a lie?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#594380 Jan 27, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
DUH, what friggin planet are you on?? where have you been.
Between worlds where evil and its consequences exist. A time where humanity is out of harmony with God. After creation where there was harmony and before a time when there will be harmaony again.
In case you hadn't noticed, men have been taking away the rights of other men for thousands of years.
How long did Europeans and Americans take slaves from Africa??
This nation almost split because of slavery.
What did Hitler, Mao, Stalin do???
Human right are an objective reality even if violated by other humans who are atheistic in their thinking. Since they obviously believe they do not have to give account to God if they can escape human justice.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#594381 Jan 27, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I have studied it in the medical world and if you knew why the mind goes into this state then you would understand why it describes religious people very well. Delusion and faith share many components..
My friend has too..he explained to me but still he cannot explain this -

When a person is at his death he feels the presence of God whyyyy???

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#594382 Jan 27, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
<quoted text>
its not soft. In fact its very tough and shields them well. Plus they carry 20times their own weight..I see your knowledge is dusty. read the newest discoveries. Passed..was not a nerd though I just love biology and majored in microbiology for 3 years ;)
Doubtful that you studied biology extensively, since you still did not comprehend. Solid objects cannot move, that is why life forms are mostly soft tissue. The exoskeleton adds a certain advantage, such as in weight lifting, but requires more energy to move. Thus the thicker the exoskeleton, the more soft tissue and more oxygen that the organism requires when on land. It's still mostly soft tissue. Why don't you look it up in your books, or are all your biology books based on religious nonsense as well?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#594383 Jan 27, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>
No, people give in to the dogma of religion out of superstition and fear. God does not need religion. Religion needs a God.
<quoted text>
No, not traditionally. I believe that religious people are arrogant, and it is through this arrogance that they proclaim that they know what "god" wants and attempts to speak for god. It is also through this arrogance that they claim that "we are in gods image".
My beliefs are very simple, that there is a power greater than us, but .......... Shouldn’t we be realizing that we have more in common with our neighbor, and try to elevate each other to make this world a better place? This can never happen as long as there are made up religions with their rules and their labels.
We believe the exact same thing, there is a power greater than us, we only need to look at birth and death to understand they are not in our power. We believe religion is meaningless, but it's such a shame that even guru Nanak's philosophy has become a religion. Some people would even argue that Darwinism has become like a blumin' religion!! You can't win with this world!

We look at God the way we want to see it. Greedy people think there is a heaven waiting for them, people who can't control sex drive think they r getting 72 virgins, all that sh*t and more!!!

Sure, we should take care of each other, but it's not going to happen in a world where scientists like James Watson make stupid claims that black people are thick coz they born that way! We don't have enough knowledge to make stupid claims like that!!

We never going to get peace until atheists and religious people, drop the know it all act! This is what i'm fed up with, religious and non-religious nuts who think they have the answers, when we clearly don't! Then they all try to force those answers down our faces! I ain't having it from either of 'em!!!

I need to eat some potato salad, u want some?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#594384 Jan 27, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
<quoted text>
My friend has too..he explained to me but still he cannot explain this -
When a person is at his death he feels the presence of God whyyyy???
Wishful thinking combined with hallucinations caused by lack of oxygen to the brain. A very well understood phenomenon. What you should be asking is why none of them report the exact same thing and why there are more versions of this "feeling" than there are religions?

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#594385 Jan 27, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Exactly.
<quoted text> BS. The Civil War, WW1 and WW2 were not religious wars. There may have been a religious component but they were fought for other reasons. Most wars were fought for reasons other than religion exclusively..
Gee where in my post did I say religion was the major instigator for WWI & WWII.

what I said was that Hitler thought he was doing the work of the Christian god in his efforts to exterminate Jews.

here's a whole website about that

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Whether you like it or not, Christianity was used to justify both slavery and the Holocaust. I never said the doctrine of Christianity supports that, only that people use Christianity to support their evil

Most wars in Medieval times were religious wars...check your history
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>I answered that! You ignore a boatload! The fact they were given 400 years to turn things around falls on deaf ears! The list of offenses. The fact they were time specific..
Fact is the Israelites used their beliefs to justify rape, pillage and burn other kingdoms by stating that their god commanded them to do it, so its okay
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Muslem aggression..
No, the pope started the Crusades

"The Crusades started in 1095 when Pope Claremont preached the First Crusade at the Council of Claremont. The Pope's preaching led to thousands immediately affixing the cross to their garments - the name Crusade given to the Holy Wars came from old French word 'crois' meaning 'cross'. The Crusades were great military expeditions undertaken by the Christian nations of Europe for the purpose of rescuing the holy places of Palestine from the hands of the Mohammedans. They were eight in number, the first four being sometimes called the Principal Crusades, and the remaining four the Minor Crusades. In addition there was a Children's Crusade. There were several other expeditions "

http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/the-crusades.ht...
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Do you define Christianity by atrocities committed in defiance of the teachings of its Founder? The mis use of a thing do not invalidate the legitimate use of a thing..
and yet you blame all atheists for the actions of other atheists like Stalin and Mao...who's artocies had more to do with politics and staying in power than to advance the cause of atheism

do you know the meaning of the word HYPOCRITE??/

For a definition, look in the mirror

lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>Slavery was universal in the ancient world. With or without the Bible. Slavery did not derive from the Bible. If so prove it!.


Never said slavery was derived from the bible, but that the bible was used to support slavery in modern times

I also suggest you reread your bible, particularly the old testament. The bible condoned slavery,even to the point of a man selling his daughter into slavery

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Your definition has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. You define Christianity by atrocities committed but that has never .
damn right, I define christianity by how those who profess to be christians act....

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#594386 Jan 27, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
<quoted text>
Gods direct words were brought down on the quran, thus one of the example is the Earth is spherical. So your saying that the Earth is spherical is a lie?
Educated and curious people knew the shape of the earth, long before the quran! It got nothing to do with religion!

Well, the quran also say's u should literally beat your women! Go on and do Allah's work before he sends u to hell for a certain period of time, i know u Muslims can't go to hell for an eternity, u Allah's special people, yes u r!!!

Also, tell your Allah to tell us how to cure cancer! Thanks!

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#594387 Jan 27, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
The Civil War, WW1 and WW2 were not religious wars.
Slavery was the catalyst for the civil war. There are many similarities between slavery and religion.

The cause of World War 1 was a visit to Serbia from Austria's Archduke where he was assassinated by one of many angry Serbians who was mistreated by the Austrian Government. They felt mistreated because the Austrian Government enforced higher taxes to pay for churches. On the Western Front there was certainly no religious aspect to what went on. However, the Western Front was NOT the only front in the War. Elsewhere, there was fighting in territories that had formed part of the Ottoman Empire, and while WW1 was going on there was religiously-motivated genocide. The Ottomans killed hundreds of thousands of people who were members of the Assyrian Community, whose religious affiliation was mainly Christian.

Hitler was an extreme christian and made many references to his Christianity during his speeches during WWII.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm
Slavery was universal in the ancient world.
Slavery is still going strong throughout the world.
stop polical correctness

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#594388 Jan 27, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
<quoted text>
My friend has too..he explained to me but still he cannot explain this -
When a person is at his death he feels the presence of God whyyyy???
I died in my sleep – not a friend or “I know somebody who told me…”: Me – I died in my sleep and didn’t show up for work and my co-workers could not get hold of me so they called local police who came to my house. I live in a very secure neighborhood and leave my front door closed, but unlocked most of the time so the police officer came to my bedroom, he started CPR, called fire rescue and I woke up in ICU on a ventilator. I went to bed at 9PM or so and next thing I know I am in ICU with a tube down my lungs. No magical tunnels, no light shining, no floating above myself, just NOTHING. By nothing I mean the absence of everything. No dreams, no visions, no presence of anything felt, NOTHING, NADA. Well except extreme confusion when I woke up the next day and was looking at the ceiling of a hospital room and my two co-workers standing next to the bed and a ventilator on the other side with a couple medical professionals messing around me. I am a RN, so a figured where I was, but not what happened. Again there was nothing. No fear, no happiness, nothing.
stop polical correctness

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#594389 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Wishful thinking combined with hallucinations caused by lack of oxygen to the brain. A very well understood phenomenon. What you should be asking is why none of them report the exact same thing and why there are more versions of this "feeling" than there are religions?
Agree 100%

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