Prove there's a god.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#592953 Jan 24, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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You aren't seeing the big picture. Blacks were taken here as slaves, then forced into ghettos after they were freed, and have been suppressed to one degree or other ever since. Additionally, I have no doubt that many blacks in the neighborhood you mention might be quite hostile to whites, and I can understand why, not that I condone racism of any kind, I can at least see where it comes from. All you are doing is blaming the victim. You see blacks in a bad neighborhood and blame their skin color. That doesn't account for all the very successful blacks who aren't in ghettos and don't conform to the racist violent stereotype you attribute to all of them. I mean, look at who is president. Hello? Are you afraid Obama is going to break into your car and steal the stereo? Come on.
I live in San Francisco, and parts of the Mission and Daly City are pretty crime ridden, and they are largely Latino, Hispanic, and Filipino. Are those groups inferior by inference too? And what about all the white trash ghettos all over the nation? Many of them are pretty scary and crime ridden. You gonna throw white people in the mix too then?
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Of course there is! Every successful person of whatever race is an example that such prejudices are illogical.
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Oh yeah? Show me the objective evidence then.
"Of course there is! Every successful person of whatever race is an example that such prejudices are illogical."

Please don't play stupid with me. I never said all blacks are dumb and all whites are smart. I said group averages differ in intelligence and other behaviors and all the data supports that conclusion.

"Oh yeah? Show me the objective evidence then."

About 100 years of mental testing showing consistent results, the obvious different social outcomes of both groups, the fact there is virtually nothing that can be found when blacks and whites are compared as groups that shows racial parity. The evidence for racial equality is like the evidence for god, it simply does not exist. Your entire argument is nothing but excuse making, excusing away all the evidence that points to the opposite conclusion that you hold.

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#592954 Jan 24, 2013
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Again, you confuse correlation and causation. Race does not cause violent crime. Racism in this country, which you participate in, exacerbates it though. People who think like you suppress those you blame, keeping them in the cycle of poverty. So in fact you are part of the problem you complain about.
Bigotry is based in ignorance. Simple as that. Show me some objective evidence that shows race has a causal connection to violent crime.
My opinions do not cause blacks to act violent, steal, mug, or sell drugs. Pointing out the level of black pathological behaviors does not cause blacks to have a no snitchin policy in their neighborhoods, a high percentage of sociopaths in the black population does.

"People who think like you suppress those you blame, keeping them in the cycle of poverty."

I embrace individualism and I believe that each person should be judged on their individual merits and not by their race. This principle does not mean we must deny statistical race differences, but it bans appeal to them in practical contexts (especially legal contexts), and emphatically bans the application of statistical differences to individuals. It requires you to base your treatment of a person on his traits, not traits he has or is likely to have in virtue of a group to which he belongs and for this very reason is why I reject the racist liberal affirmative action policy that rejects individualism in favor of racial preferences. So who really is the racist here, me who embraces individualism or the liberal who supports racist discrimination via affirmative action laws?

"....keeping them in the cycle of poverty"

People are not dumb because the are poor. They are poor because they are dumb. The people that never came up with the wheel, indoor
plumbing or a written language are not intellectually equal to the people that split the atom, put a man on the moon and cured polio and it is absurd for people like you to continue to blame one group for the failings of the other. Why are there so few Hispanics in the NBA, clearly with a disparity like that someone must be to blame, right? You stubbornly refuse to face reality, no different than the theists you argue with all day, you just have a different motive. You are arguing that natural selection has no impact on the brain so where is your evidence for that? Where in the world do the races behave just alike?

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#592955 Jan 24, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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If this was a Christian nation, then the laws would reflect that. Yet it is not the law to observe the Sabbath, slavery is abolished, and women are the legal equals to men. The Bible is not used as a legal reference in court. Christianity is not even the official religion of this country. In no way is the United States a Christian nation.
It really boggles my mind that people who seem to wish for a Christian theocracy turn around and criticize countries which are religious theocracies. We have examples, both past and present, of theocracies, and they don't work, and are not a place anyone would want to live in.
It is contended by many that ours is a Christian government, founded upon the Bible, and that all who look upon the book as false or foolish are destroying the foundation of our country. The truth is, our government is not founded upon the rights of gods, but upon the rights of men. Our Constitution was framed, not to declare and uphold the deity of Christ, but the sacredness of humanity. Ours is the first government made by the people and for the people. It is the only nation with which the gods have had nothing to do. And yet there are some judges dishonest and cowardly enough to solemnly decide that this is a Christian country, and that our free institutions are based upon the infamous laws of Jehovah.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "Individuality" (1873)

Our civilization is not Christian. It does not come from the skies. It is not a result of "inspiration." It is the child of invention, of discovery, of applied knowledge -- that is to say, of science. When man becomes great and grand enough to admit that all have equal rights; when thought is untrammeled; when worship shall consist in doing useful things; when religion means the discharge of obligations to our fellow-men, then, and not until then, will the world be civilized.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "Reply To The Indianapolis Clergy" The Iconoclast, Indianapolis, Indiana (1882)

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Since: May 11

Aberdeen, UK

#592956 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
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My opinions do not cause blacks to act violent, steal, mug, or sell drugs. Pointing out the level of black pathological behaviors does not cause blacks to have a no snitchin policy in their neighborhoods, a high percentage of sociopaths in the black population does.
"People who think like you suppress those you blame, keeping them in the cycle of poverty."
I embrace individualism and I believe that each person should be judged on their individual merits and not by their race. This principle does not mean we must deny statistical race differences, but it bans appeal to them in practical contexts (especially legal contexts), and emphatically bans the application of statistical differences to individuals. It requires you to base your treatment of a person on his traits, not traits he has or is likely to have in virtue of a group to which he belongs and for this very reason is why I reject the racist liberal affirmative action policy that rejects individualism in favor of racial preferences. So who really is the racist here, me who embraces individualism or the liberal who supports racist discrimination via affirmative action laws?
"....keeping them in the cycle of poverty"
People are not dumb because the are poor. They are poor because they are dumb. The people that never came up with the wheel, indoor
plumbing or a written language are not intellectually equal to the people that split the atom, put a man on the moon and cured polio and it is absurd for people like you to continue to blame one group for the failings of the other. Why are there so few Hispanics in the NBA, clearly with a disparity like that someone must be to blame, right? You stubbornly refuse to face reality, no different than the theists you argue with all day, you just have a different motive. You are arguing that natural selection has no impact on the brain so where is your evidence for that? Where in the world do the races behave just alike?
You can intellectualise it all you like but it does not take anything away from the fact that you consider yourself a member of the `master race` based upon nothing but statistics.

Hitler, Himmler and Heydrich would be very proud of you.

You make my skin crawl.

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East Granby, CT

#592957 Jan 24, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>What gets me about RR is despite all his flag waving and so-called patriotism, he doesn't like that the USA is NOT any sort of theocracy and never has been and in all likely probability, never will be.
He claims to love his country yet tries to totally dismiss what this country is all about and how and why it was founded as the secular nation it was.
Christians who make these bogus claims or even desire a christian nation prove that they do not cherish religious freedoms, personal liberty or individual rights. They represent the exact opposite of the fundamental values our country stands for. They are the un-Americans.

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#592958 Jan 24, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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You can intellectualise it all you like but it does not take anything away from the fact that you consider yourself a member of the `master race` based upon nothing but statistics.
Hitler, Himmler and Heydrich would be very proud of you.
You make my skin crawl.
Nonsense, I would have to be East Asian or Jewish to consider myself that and I am neither one of those two groups.

Stick your bogus claims of hate up your azz you ignorant fool.

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Since: May 11

Aberdeen, UK

#592959 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Nonsense, I would have to be East Asian or Jewish to consider myself that and I am neither one of those two groups.
Stick your bogus claims of hate up your azz you ignorant fool.
*a pinch of salt for the neo-nazi*

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#592960 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Christians who make these bogus claims or even desire a christian nation prove that they do not cherish religious freedoms, personal liberty or individual rights. They represent the exact opposite of the fundamental values our country stands for. They are the un-Americans.
With this I could not agree more. I have told RR several times that he is anti-American. I guess in this case that's the same as saying he is un-American.

Either way, he has no respect for what this nation was truly founded upon and RR would like nothing more than for the USA to be a theocracy and a CRISTIAN one at that considering his never ending moronic claim that the USA is a Christian nation.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#592961 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Nonsense, I would have to be East Asian or Jewish to consider myself that and I am neither one of those two groups.
Stick your bogus claims of hate up your azz you ignorant fool.
Wha?? Jews consider themselves to be the "master race" as do East Asians?

Pat, you are SO off the mark with this post, and it truly is one of your most offensive posts yet.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#592962 Jan 24, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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I'm not sure if that's anywhere close what actually happens. Those in the "know" around here say it is. If it is (or was), then it's fugged up... cheap oil is the ONLY thing that made it feasible.
Also... contrary to what most want to believe, not everything that comes out of China is of shoddy construction. They manufacture a fine product when it comes to furniture.(They also manufacture some crap. So do we).
I know. China makes a lot of junk.

Fast, quick, cheap, junk.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#592963 Jan 24, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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You think all the Founding Fathers were Christians?
Not all of them, no. But most were.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#592964 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Nonsense, I would have to be East Asian or Jewish to consider myself that and I am neither one of those two groups.
Stick your bogus claims of hate up your azz you ignorant fool.
BTW, it is remarks such as this post of yours that fuels racism, anti-Semitism and bigotry.

Jews do NOT consider themselves to be a "master race" and I won't even get into it with you again the fact that Jewish is not any sort of race.

Asians- East Asians or otherwise- also do not consider themselves to be any sort of "master race".

That is what YOU think and in thinking so, it plays right into racism even if you DID mean it as a compliment.

And and I'm sure you know it was HITLER who wanted to create a "master race" of white GENTILES.

And as I'm sure you also know, well.....Jews are not Gentiles nor are the majority of Eastern Asians or Asians in general.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#592965 Jan 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Mexico is a nation but you'd call it a race......
But you won't call American a race?
You're a whacko.
OCB wrote:
I said it CAN be considered a race. Do I personally think that Mexican is a race? No- I do not and I never said I did but I do see where on forms such as the ones we were talking about they could consider Mexican to be a race due to the ethnicity of Mexicans.
You are an IDIOT.
Good- call your race American, RR- just another drop in your huge bucket of ignorance and stupidity for ya.....
Then America CAN be considered a race......

You're really odd. How can you bitch & whine for months that American is a nationality only but then turn around and say that Marxian can be considered a race? What's the difference?

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#592966 Jan 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know. China makes a lot of junk.
Fast, quick, cheap, junk.
And as Hukt pointed out, so does the USA.

There USED to be true quality American craftsmanship; those days are long gone.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#592967 Jan 24, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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You think all the Founding Fathers were Christians?
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Yes he does.
No I don't, you assumptive troll.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#592968 Jan 24, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Wha?? Jews consider themselves to be the "master race" as do East Asians?
Pat, you are SO off the mark with this post, and it truly is one of your most offensive posts yet.
I drew the Catcher white sheet over this miserable person early on.

I have never seen so much energy devoted to bigotry.

And she is utterly shameless to boot.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#592969 Jan 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Not all of them, no. But most were.
Address my post to you of last evening, RR.

We DO know that all the founding fathers were male and that they were all white.

Based on what passes as logic for you, if ours is a Christian nation even though only MOST of the founding fathers were Christian but not ALL of them, well- since ALL of them WERE white and since ALL of them were men, then what passes as logic for you would dictate that ours is also a WHITE nation and a MALE nation and of course, neither of those are correct.

Since they are not correct, it is no more correct for you to keep moronically claiming that ours is a Christian nation and all the more since you yourself just said that "most" of them were Christians.
Tyrant lizard king

Chennai, India

#592970 Jan 24, 2013
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#592971 Jan 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Mexico is a nation but you'd call it a race......
But you won't call American a race?
You're a whacko.
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Then America CAN be considered a race......
You're really odd. How can you bitch & whine for months that American is a nationality only but then turn around and say that Marxian can be considered a race? What's the difference?
I never said Marxian could be considered a race....anyhoo......I said I see why on those forms Mexican could be considered a race due to Mexican ethnicity.

I never said I would PERSONALLY call Mexican a race and actually, I said that PERSONALLY, I would NOT.

You are an IDIOT who can't comprehend what you read to save your life.

Just like with the article I posted about Ford NOT accepting any bailouts which was in the very first sentence but which you couldn't be bothered to actually read or be bothered to read what Ford had to say about the other auto companies that were bailed out and how it affected Ford Motors.

RR- you're a buffoon of the highest order.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#592972 Jan 24, 2013
OCB wrote:
RR would like nothing more than for the USA to be a theocracy and a CRISTIAN one at that considering his never ending moronic claim that the USA is a Christian nation.
Why do you lie so much?

I've posted repeatedly that I don't want America to be theocracy.

Stop lying, wench.

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