Prove there's a god.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#589618 Jan 16, 2013
God Himself wrote:
<quoted text>
To say that I have not demonstrated "X" is just another way of saying that YOU dont understand "X".
But as we all know, your inability to comprehend a thing does not affect its reality.
I may bear the burden of proof; but you must bear the burden of acceptance.
WHAT YOU BELIEVE DOES NOT DEPEND ON PROOF: scepticism has no limits, so you can question the reality of the ground that you walk on. No amount of evidence is sufficient to cause anyone to agree to anything they dont FEEL LIKE agreeing to.
WHAT YOU BELIEVE DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE: the possibility remains that there perhaps was, is or will be something that proves the contrary of what you believe.
The inner defenses are unconscious. They consist of a kind of magic aura which the mind builds around cherished belief. Arguments which penetrate into the magic aura are not dealt with rationally but by a specific type of pseudo-reasoning. Absurdities and contradictions are made acceptable by specious rationalizations.
-- Arthur Koestler

"No amount of evidence is sufficient to cause anyone to agree to anything they dont FEEL LIKE agreeing to."

Which is why thests are death deniers who will deny the overwhelming evidence of a corpse and insist the person is not really dead, just off somewhere else.

"the possibility remains that there perhaps was, is or will be something that proves the contrary of what you believe."

Not true, since I hold no opinion on god, I lack belief so if evidece for god or against god presents itself it will not conflict since right now I am open minded, having come to no conclusions either way.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#589620 Jan 16, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain your drival better.
Dinosaurs were constructed with a different type of lung. They initially evolved with a low oxygen atmosphere, and then the atmosphere became highly enriched with both oxygen and CO2 and became extremely huge as a result, as did all plant life. All species did, even exoskeleton land species. Fires were nearly spontaneous because of this condition. These creatures were even prevalent at the poles, so the conditions were that of extreme global warming. Asteroid impact ended that condition extremely quickly, and the existence of those creatures with it, and an ice age ensued. Evolution (as you know it) does not explain everything. There are many other things that are contrary to the prospected theory and proposed timeline of events giving researchers fits, but they are avoided by mainstream proponents for obvious reasons.
That's the jist of it.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#589619 Jan 16, 2013
God Himself wrote:
<quoted text>
Quit spamming the forum with your illiterate crap.
Cant you even understand the context in which "perception" is being used?!!
Fack! You are incorrigible.
Still a poor analogy and you know it which is why you resort to obscenities like a typical amoral Jamacian negro.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#589621 Jan 16, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Great. Now all you need to prove is that was those cars manufactured purpose.
Green.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#589622 Jan 16, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>She was no more an idiot than redneck or myth would have been. You prove the point that guns need to be secured in a locked safe.
Rather that you should not let mentally disturbed family members play with them.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#589623 Jan 16, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>The police are licensed and trained, and their training has to be continuously continued. Not so for the majority of gun owners.
So, for every gun owner licensed to carry a gun.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#589624 Jan 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes so bitc|-|. Sanctioned military killings are not considered MURDER.
Definition mur der
Noun
The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Verb
Kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
Are you saying that military action is unlawful? Or are you just stupid?
Hey Christine, if what the other poster said is true, that the only state that does not require a license to carry is Vermont. Do you know how little gun violence and murders that state has? Licensing is not the problem. The overall problem with gun violence is not guns or licenses its blacks who lack the personal discretion necessary to possess them. Vermont has few blacks.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#589625 Jan 16, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely Kari, I couldn't agree more.
It's very simple. You drive the get away car for a bank robbery and you are just as responsible for the crime as the guy in the bank grabbing the money. Likewise, You leave your gun around unsecured and someone steals your gun, and you are just as responsible for any crime committed with it. Mandatory life imprisonment. If anyone is harmed or dies with your gun, then mandatory death sentence. Gun owners need to start understanding how dangerous guns are. The irresponsibility of redneck, myth and some others here prove that this law needs to have some teeth in order to be taken seriously.
Ridiculous!!!! A "get away" driver makes a conscious decision to participate in a crime.A person has the right and expectation of privacy in their dwelling.Over reaching collectivist like you need a lesson in personal liberty.
christianity is EVIL

West Pubnico, Canada

#589626 Jan 16, 2013
Bob44044 wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on and do it.
Prove there's no God.
Don't read off what other atheists say, just prove there's no God.
burden of proof FALLACY

cant you morons do better?lol

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#589627 Jan 16, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
A lot of the water is in the springs, the sewers, and the sky too. And our bodies as well. More water in the ocean than in our bodies at the time too, because less bodies existed then. And no, I don't believe it, I speculate it. I thought you understood credulity is no virtue right?
Genesis 7:18-20: "The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits (twenty feet)."

Here is someone who did the math, in metric. Check it out, it's pretty interesting (reference here: http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp... ):

First, Everest:

V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6387.248 km3
= 1.09151×1012 km3

Now, the Earth at sea level:

V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6378.4 km3
= 1.08698×1012 km3

The difference between these two figures is the amount of water needed to just cover the Earth: 4.525×109 Or, to put into a more sensible number:

4,525,000,000,000 cubic kilometres of water.

...which is far, far more water than does exist, or indeed could physically exist, on Earth. It's also impossible for that much water to be accumulated via precipitation in 40 days. And if you could somehow add that much water to the Earth, the extra mass and weight would destroy it. So it's actually impossible in many ways.

And no, credulity is not a virtue. As you can see.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#589628 Jan 16, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 7:18-20: "The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits (twenty feet)."
Here is someone who did the math, in metric. Check it out, it's pretty interesting (reference here: http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp... ):
First, Everest:
V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6387.248 km3
= 1.09151×1012 km3
Now, the Earth at sea level:
V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6378.4 km3
= 1.08698×1012 km3
The difference between these two figures is the amount of water needed to just cover the Earth: 4.525×109 Or, to put into a more sensible number:
4,525,000,000,000 cubic kilometres of water.
...which is far, far more water than does exist, or indeed could physically exist, on Earth. It's also impossible for that much water to be accumulated via precipitation in 40 days. And if you could somehow add that much water to the Earth, the extra mass and weight would destroy it. So it's actually impossible in many ways.
And no, credulity is not a virtue. As you can see.
Gawd could have pulled the plug at the bottom of the earth tub? lol

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#589629 Jan 16, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 7:18-20: "The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits (twenty feet)."
Here is someone who did the math, in metric. Check it out, it's pretty interesting (reference here: http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp... ):
First, Everest:
V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6387.248 km3
= 1.09151×1012 km3
Now, the Earth at sea level:
V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6378.4 km3
= 1.08698×1012 km3
The difference between these two figures is the amount of water needed to just cover the Earth: 4.525×109 Or, to put into a more sensible number:
4,525,000,000,000 cubic kilometres of water.
...which is far, far more water than does exist, or indeed could physically exist, on Earth. It's also impossible for that much water to be accumulated via precipitation in 40 days. And if you could somehow add that much water to the Earth, the extra mass and weight would destroy it. So it's actually impossible in many ways.
And no, credulity is not a virtue. As you can see.
That's funny, thanks!

Like that guy knows what's impossible......

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#589630 Jan 16, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Christian ideology definitely precludes reincarnation. But how would reincarnation enter into it?
We don’t know. We can only guess and assume. It’s hard for us to see the larger plan of the cosmos.

Everyone has their own take on things. Some Muslim saints in my religion believed in reincarnation and others didn't. This is a personal belief, it's up to u what u want to believe but Indian philosophy is all based on reincarnation. We believe in cycles, we don't believe in a start or finish and we don’t assume that we have all the answers.

Anyway, we believe 'God' is fair.‘It’ can't send u to hell forever for committing a few crimes on earth. The universe keeps giving u chances over and over again until u r one with 'it'.

So if God really did send Jesus to die for everyone's sins (which is something that doesn't make sense to us in the first place) the people in God's plan, including Jesus, must have done something good or bad in the previous life for God to include them in his plan. God can't just say, I'm gonna make u evil and make u kill someone. He has to give u a choice to be good or evil. According to their past actions they were involved in his plan.

But the thing with the reincarnation theory is that is raises the question about whether or not we have free will. Our philosophy is stuck on understanding whether your actions BECOME your destiny or if your actions ARE your destiny.

It's like DNA, u have blue eyes because it's written in your DNA. There is no free will; u can’t choose your eye colour. U can’t choose where u r born, your gender, your looks, the disorders u will or will not have, immunity, resistance, even your fingerprint is decided by your DNA. What we don’t know at the moment is that, is there an ‘evil’ or ‘good’ gene? Or is it just due to environmental factors? Or maybe they both contribute? It’s the classic nature vs. nurture thing. Are we really in control of our lives?

We are tiny little worms trying to make sense of the world we live in; we’re not going to get the answers overnight. We just gotta research and keep looking.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#589631 Jan 16, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Gawd could have pulled the plug at the bottom of the earth tub? lol
And just think what might have happened if the ark had collided with the gigantic yellow rubber duckie!

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#589632 Jan 16, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
And just think what might have happened if the ark had collided with the gigantic yellow rubber duckie!
Fer one thing...there'd be elephant poop EVERWHERE!

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#589633 Jan 16, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
We don’t know. We can only guess and assume. It’s hard for us to see the larger plan of the cosmos.
Everyone has their own take on things. Some Muslim saints in my religion believed in reincarnation and others didn't.
Is reincarnation mentioned in the Koran? I sure didn't think so.
This is a personal belief, it's up to u what u want to believe but Indian philosophy is all based on reincarnation. We believe in cycles, we don't believe in a start or finish and we don’t assume that we have all the answers.
Anyway, we believe 'God' is fair.‘It’ can't send u to hell forever for committing a few crimes on earth.
Actually, the Judeo-Christian God doesn't send people to Hell for their actions. It sends them to Hell for disbelief. You can commit any number of atrocities, but if before you die you accept the sacrifice of Jesus, it's as if you did nothing. You see, God only cares about itself, not about anyone a Christian might have harmed.

The universe keeps giving u chances over and over again until u r one with 'it'.
So if God really did send Jesus to die for everyone's sins (which is something that doesn't make sense to us in the first place)
Me neither.
the people in God's plan, including Jesus, must have done something good or bad in the previous life for God to include them in his plan. God can't just say, I'm gonna make u evil and make u kill someone. He has to give u a choice to be good or evil.
Except of course that if your life was pre-ordained, then there would be no free will.
According to their past actions they were involved in his plan.
But the thing with the reincarnation theory is that is raises the question about whether or not we have free will. Our philosophy is stuck on understanding whether your actions BECOME your destiny or if your actions ARE your destiny.
It's like DNA, u have blue eyes because it's written in your DNA. There is no free will; u can’t choose your eye colour. U can’t choose where u r born, your gender, your looks, the disorders u will or will not have, immunity, resistance, even your fingerprint is decided by your DNA. What we don’t know at the moment is that, is there an ‘evil’ or ‘good’ gene? Or is it just due to environmental factors? Or maybe they both contribute? It’s the classic nature vs. nurture thing. Are we really in control of our lives?
We are tiny little worms trying to make sense of the world we live in; we’re not going to get the answers overnight. We just gotta research and keep looking.
Interesting. Well, first off I'd say that the future cannot be knowable if free will were to exist; fate and free will cannot coincide. But back to reincarnation, if that did occur, wouldn't there be some way to test that? I can't think of any, but surely someone else in your religion must have.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#589634 Jan 16, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Fer one thing...there'd be elephant poop EVERWHERE!
Elephant poop? Dinosaur poop!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#589635 Jan 16, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 7:18-20: "The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits (twenty feet)."
Here is someone who did the math, in metric. Check it out, it's pretty interesting (reference here: http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp... ):
First, Everest:
V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6387.248 km3
= 1.09151×1012 km3
Now, the Earth at sea level:
V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6378.4 km3
= 1.08698×1012 km3
The difference between these two figures is the amount of water needed to just cover the Earth: 4.525×109 Or, to put into a more sensible number:
4,525,000,000,000 cubic kilometres of water.
...which is far, far more water than does exist, or indeed could physically exist, on Earth. It's also impossible for that much water to be accumulated via precipitation in 40 days. And if you could somehow add that much water to the Earth, the extra mass and weight would destroy it. So it's actually impossible in many ways.
And no, credulity is not a virtue. As you can see.
On further review, whoever posted that 15 cubits is 20 feet is wrong. A cubit is a rough measurement, basically the length of a man's arm. But some have put it as 45.72 cm or 18 inches.
15 cubits X 18" is 22.5 feet, not 20. So it starts with a false number.

Also, provided by the link, the mathematician offers that in order to flood the globe, it'd need to rain appr 5.5" per hour, which is definitely feasible.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#589636 Jan 16, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
Link, youtube?
Here, since reading isn't your forte, you can watch the special regarding it made by PBS. Of course I don't know how well your eyes and ears work considering your being narrow minded.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/decodi...

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#589637 Jan 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
On further review, whoever posted that 15 cubits is 20 feet is wrong. A cubit is a rough measurement, basically the length of a man's arm. But some have put it as 45.72 cm or 18 inches.
15 cubits X 18" is 22.5 feet, not 20. So it starts with a false number.
I did that, so my bad. So in fact, even more water would be necessary. Which makes it even more impossible.
Also, provided by the link, the mathematician offers that in order to flood the globe, it'd need to rain appr 5.5" per hour, which is definitely feasible.
5.5" globally per hour for 40 days is feasible? And again, where is all this extra water coming from?

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