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#587358 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
What if somebody steals your car?
Then they use that stolen vehicle to run over a couple people and kill them.
Who's responsibility do you think that is?
depends.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#587359 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What if somebody steals your car?
Then they use that stolen vehicle to run over a couple people and kill them.
Who's responsibility do you think that is?
Ultimately your insurance , provided the thief had none. But to be honest...this is America injured people have lawyers that sue everybody.

The problem is the gun in a drawer in your own house , is protected the same as a knife or dynamite in it. It was never to leave the premises and only entered the public arena because of theft.
To suing someone for being a victim is the same as...
Suing the bank who's robber used the money he stole , to pay a hitman to kill someone. In a wrongful death suit.

It is possible , but you would have to prove the bank was negligent in leaving money to be stolen.

Since: Oct 10

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#587360 Jan 13, 2013
boooots wrote:
It boggles my mind that people like RR are still running loose in society. I used to have these arguments with people back 10 or 15 years ago, when the smoking bans were just starting to catch on, but now anyone who argues that a non-smoker has the right to leave a bar, or restaurant, if he doesn't like the smoke, just has not got the message that all of the medical people in the whole world have been trying to get across for 50 years or so.
Any right ends when that right affects the rights of other people. That doesn't mean that those whose rights are being infringed on can leave if they don't want to be harmed; it means that those doing the harm, if they want to do what they are doing must leave, because they do not have the right to do a harmful act where it will harm other people.
I'm gonna have to agree with RR on this one. What happened to the bar owner's rights? If he/she wants to allow smoking in their establishment then it should be up to them. Put a sign on the door. "By entering, you accept the fact that you may come in contact with second hand smoke". If you don't like that, don't go in. If you don't want to work there, work elsewhere.

“Ditat Deus”

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#587361 Jan 13, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>depends.
OK, say your not wearing Depends.....

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#587362 Jan 13, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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OK.
Now you're entering into the batshit crazy zone.

Oh you smoke weed too huh?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#587363 Jan 13, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I'm gonna have to agree with RR on this one. What happened to the bar owner's rights? If he/she wants to allow smoking in their establishment then it should be up to them. Put a sign on the door. "By entering, you accept the fact that you may come in contact with second hand smoke". If you don't like that, don't go in. If you don't want to work there, work elsewhere.
Wow.

Thanks, River.

I thought I was the only one here with common sense....
Greens - Tuf

Australia

#587364 Jan 13, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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when did nature become nonexistent?
how stupid can you religitards get
btw you havent answered my question
what is aetheric energy?
Say what? I'm not the one saying that there is non existence. That is probably your analogy.
What is aetheric energy ? Really ?

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#587365 Jan 13, 2013
Pat wrote:
Is it because the bias is like god, invisible and impossible to detect?
Not trying to help the fundies but... there was a time before it was possible to see an atom, so "seeing" really has nothing to do with it. NASA scientist have a saying "Just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist." Imagine that..

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#587366 Jan 13, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Ultimately your insurance , provided the thief had none. But to be honest...this is America injured people have lawyers that sue everybody.
The problem is the gun in a drawer in your own house , is protected the same as a knife or dynamite in it. It was never to leave the premises and only entered the public arena because of theft.
To suing someone for being a victim is the same as...
Suing the bank who's robber used the money he stole , to pay a hitman to kill someone. In a wrongful death suit.
It is possible , but you would have to prove the bank was negligent in leaving money to be stolen.
Wouldn't that be nuts?!

I can't grasp why these anti-gun freaks want to NOT blame the thief....

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#587367 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Fair?!
This isn't about human rights you idiot, how was it "fair" to put up a flat rule that says "NO SMOKING"?
That's very one-sided to be fair, don't you think?
.. changed it just a big ..

Fair?!

This isn't about human rights you idiot, how was it "fair" to put up a flat rule that says "NO SHI**ING in the lunch room"?

That's very one-sided to be fair, don't you think?

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#587368 Jan 13, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Then why do you keep trying?
HUH? I posted one example. You're talking out your azz again.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#587369 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What if somebody steals your car?
Then they use that stolen vehicle to run over a couple people and kill them.
Who's responsibility do you think that is?
Depends.

If you leave your keys in the ignition, and a 13-year-old steals your car and runs over people, yes, you could be in some trouble.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#587370 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What if somebody steals your car?
Then they use that stolen vehicle to run over a couple people and kill them.
Who's responsibility do you think that is?
geesh that is one dumb analogy. Cars are designed for transportation, while guns are designed for killing. Now you can use guns for another purpose, target shooting. But target shooting in itself is designed to increase your skill in the principle function of the gun, to kill. To say otherwise is a gross dishonest statement.

Its like the idiots that compare gun deaths to deaths caused by automobile accidents. Then suggesting we should outlaw cars, because they kill more people than guns.

Of course these idiots overlook the one key critical fact.

People who are killed in automobile accidents are killed ACCIDENTALLY. they are not killed intentionally.

Of course there are people who are killed intentionally by a car, but those outliers are statistically insignificant.

Whereas the vast majority of people killed by guns are killed intentionally.
and 100% of those people murdered by guns, close to 10,000, are killed intentionally.

Since: Dec 12

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#587371 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'm just used to hypocrites telling me how bad smoking is.
What about when someone who's not a hypocrite tells you it's bad for you?

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#587372 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know, WTF? No smoking in parks or beaches?!
Those aren't enclosed spaces....
.. here's another change ..

I know, WTF? No sex in parks or beaches?!
Those aren't enclosed spaces...

Since: Dec 12

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#587374 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I can't grasp why these anti-gun freaks want to NOT blame the thief....
Because if the gun wasn't available in the first place, then it couldn't have been stolen. What part of that don't you understand?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#587375 Jan 13, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. changed it just a big ..
Fair?!
This isn't about human rights you idiot, how was it "fair" to put up a flat rule that says "NO SHI**ING in the lunch room"?
That's very one-sided to be fair, don't you think?
Some people find shit to be sexual.....

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#587373 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You saying that pot is healthier than tobacco?
Yes, I say that tobacco is worse for your health than pot.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#587376 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Then I apologize.
I'm just used to hypocrites telling me how bad smoking is.
Like my little brother, an avid pot smoker, tells me.
Or that fat broad at work, telling me that cigarettes kill while at the sane time chorine down a whole pizza.
Or boooots, need I say more?
No matter how bad other things are, smoking cigarettes is still extremely unhealthy.

Calling people hypocrites does not defeat their arguments, if those arguments are still valid.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#587377 Jan 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Depends.
If you leave your keys in the ignition, and a 13-year-old steals your car and runs over people, yes, you could be in some trouble.
Why?

Did you force the kid to steal?

Did you help him run over people?

Did your keys seduce him?

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