Prove there's a god.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#587167 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
IQ is a number representing a person's reasoning ability, not their intelligence.
You theists are good at doubletalk.

Intelligence is a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason

http://www.psychpage.com/learning/library/int...
Pat

East Granby, CT

#587168 Jan 13, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
how could it be stolen?
the gun owner is liable because he failed to properly secure his weapon, the evidence is on the face of the circumstances.
So if someone steals your car, crashes it and kills someone you are liable?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#587170 Jan 13, 2013
Henry wrote:
There was never a god!
Probably. Why tell me?
Henry wrote:
Very sorry, but such a thing like a god did never exist!
Probably. But once again, why tell me? Did you think that I was a true believer? Have I been too vague or unclear about that?

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#587171 Jan 13, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many. There are three broad groups - black, white, asian, and there are many more sub groups, no different from dogs.
Some of we humans are probably more closely related to dogs than others.:):) That was suppose to be funny. Just thinking of some of the low IQ ppl we have posting here.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#587172 Jan 13, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
Some of we humans are probably more closely related to dogs than others.:):) That was suppose to be funny. Just thinking of some of the low IQ ppl we have posting here.
I was thinking baboons.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#587173 Jan 13, 2013
karl44 wrote:
sex can occur when both men and women get what they want, which is very seldom, the same thing
Bill Maher was discussing counseling sessions with a sex therapist and his girlfriend, who advised them to work out a sexual fantasy that combined their individual fantasies.

This is what they came up with: A white knight on his trusty charger rescues a damsel in distress from a fiery serpent, and then cums all over her face and breasts. I'll leave it up to you to decide which part of that was her contribution, and which was his.

This may be why when a man talks dirty to a woman, it's sexual harassment, but when a woman talks dirty to a man, it's $4.95 a minute.
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587174 Jan 13, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets do it a little different and you can do the work.
You prove that there isn't any God.
So far the vast majority of the people living on earth believe there is a God. So it would appear that the ball is in your court to prove that there is not a God.
Of course people must not prove that their is no god. We never have to prove there is no god. Why should we?
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587175 Jan 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
“Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind." - Genesis 9:6
This explains a lot. I wasn't clear in what sense man was said to be made in the image of your god. It's a blood vengeance, isn't it?
Most of the time, we're told how unfathomable your god is, and that we couldn't possibly understand him with our puny minds. Christians also teach us that we are inherently evil and filthy with sin, whereas their god is said to be sinless and perfectly good. So naturally, I was confused by the claim that we had anything in common with the god.
After all, according to dogma, the god is invisible, immaterial, immortal, perfect, infinite, lives outside of space and precedes time. Obviously, you and I are nothing like that.
The god is omniscient, omnipresent, supernatural and has magical power. We aren't and don't.
Your god never had a spouse, never had sex, never experienced lust, divorce or a broken heart. We do.
It was also never born, never had parents, never raised children and never had a sibling or a friend.
Your god has never slept or had a nightmare, never had a headache, has never had the flu, felt hot or cold or been hungry. Been there, done that.
Your god has never had to support himself, never had to study or learn. never been humiliated, felt guilt, blame or shame, and has never been afraid.
But now, thanks to your insights, I think I understand the claim. We both impose death sentences - your god and man. We both kill as punishment.
Of course, the god goes a tad further and throws in eternal torment to up the ante. And many states have outlawed many of your god's practices, including the death sentence. So,many of us are not even in his image at that meager level.
I just couldn't see what we had in common with that god that we should be said to made in its image. I knew that it wasn't our sense of humor. I don't remember Jehovah ever joking or laughing.
Of course, I still say that the animals are much closer to man's image than that god.
God has of course no image, since he does not exist never existed ever!
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587176 Jan 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
How brave to you have to be if you can't be harmed?
<quoted text>
Then I guess by the same argument that your god is a sinner, too.
No, god is no sinner at all! He (she or it) does of course not exist.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#587177 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, stupid. When the gun is stolen, the owner is no longer in possession of it......
When the gun is stolen, the owner did not properly secure it.
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587178 Jan 13, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
and where did he get the gun
you are as stupid about this as you are about gods touching you
God can not "touch" you, since has no existence!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#587179 Jan 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, I don't know....
How about LEGAL aliens......
Rich folks have to pay legal aliens full wages and benefits.

Rich folks don't want to do that.
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587180 Jan 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh no, I DON'T fear your Scary Chicken On A Stick. That's for you to do.
And as far as "friend" goes, please don't patronize me.
<quoted text>
Is this an argument? Can you fly? Can you breathe underwater without a tank or a snorkel? Can you pupate?
<quoted text>
I've never seen nonhuman animals praising your god anywhere, with or without human assistance.
And just how does worshiping a fiction make you better than the beasts?
<quoted text>
Psalm 14:1 is hate speech, just like Revelation 21:8. Together, they serve as the justification for scapegoating skeptics.
The world needs less of the Christian version of truth, which is deeply pessimistic and misanthropic.
We'll fix both of those for you.
How do you like our new understanding - our new limits to discourse? Is this tone more to your liking? I sure hope so.
Forget about the bible, it is full of fakes, lies and errors!
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587181 Jan 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
“Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind." - Genesis 9:6
This explains a lot. I wasn't clear in what sense man was said to be made in the image of your god. It's a blood vengeance, isn't it?
Most of the time, we're told how unfathomable your god is, and that we couldn't possibly understand him with our puny minds. Christians also teach us that we are inherently evil and filthy with sin, whereas their god is said to be sinless and perfectly good. So naturally, I was confused by the claim that we had anything in common with the god.
After all, according to dogma, the god is invisible, immaterial, immortal, perfect, infinite, lives outside of space and precedes time. Obviously, you and I are nothing like that.
The god is omniscient, omnipresent, supernatural and has magical power. We aren't and don't.
Your god never had a spouse, never had sex, never experienced lust, divorce or a broken heart. We do.
It was also never born, never had parents, never raised children and never had a sibling or a friend.
Your god has never slept or had a nightmare, never had a headache, has never had the flu, felt hot or cold or been hungry. Been there, done that.
Your god has never had to support himself, never had to study or learn. never been humiliated, felt guilt, blame or shame, and has never been afraid.
But now, thanks to your insights, I think I understand the claim. We both impose death sentences - your god and man. We both kill as punishment.
Of course, the god goes a tad further and throws in eternal torment to up the ante. And many states have outlawed many of your god's practices, including the death sentence. So,many of us are not even in his image at that meager level.
I just couldn't see what we had in common with that god that we should be said to made in its image. I knew that it wasn't our sense of humor. I don't remember Jehovah ever joking or laughing.
Of course, I still say that the animals are much closer to man's image than that god.
Of course there is no such thing like a god! Religions are nothing else than phantasm! A small minority may misuse them for its power of a broad mss!
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587182 Jan 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
“Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind." - Genesis 9:6
This explains a lot. I wasn't clear in what sense man was said to be made in the image of your god. It's a blood vengeance, isn't it?
Most of the time, we're told how unfathomable your god is, and that we couldn't possibly understand him with our puny minds. Christians also teach us that we are inherently evil and filthy with sin, whereas their god is said to be sinless and perfectly good. So naturally, I was confused by the claim that we had anything in common with the god.
After all, according to dogma, the god is invisible, immaterial, immortal, perfect, infinite, lives outside of space and precedes time. Obviously, you and I are nothing like that.
The god is omniscient, omnipresent, supernatural and has magical power. We aren't and don't.
Your god never had a spouse, never had sex, never experienced lust, divorce or a broken heart. We do.
It was also never born, never had parents, never raised children and never had a sibling or a friend.
Your god has never slept or had a nightmare, never had a headache, has never had the flu, felt hot or cold or been hungry. Been there, done that.
Your god has never had to support himself, never had to study or learn. never been humiliated, felt guilt, blame or shame, and has never been afraid.
But now, thanks to your insights, I think I understand the claim. We both impose death sentences - your god and man. We both kill as punishment.
Of course, the god goes a tad further and throws in eternal torment to up the ante. And many states have outlawed many of your god's practices, including the death sentence. So,many of us are not even in his image at that meager level.
I just couldn't see what we had in common with that god that we should be said to made in its image. I knew that it wasn't our sense of humor. I don't remember Jehovah ever joking or laughing.
Of course, I still say that the animals are much closer to man's image than that god.
Animals are a reality, god is nonexistent!
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587183 Jan 13, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Look at what my comment was in response to. No, all theists are not low IQ.
I am an atheist for more than 70 years and I am happy!
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587184 Jan 13, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you back up your propaganda?:)
No, that is the truth no propaganda!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#587185 Jan 13, 2013
Pat wrote:
Intelligence is a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason
http://www.psychpage.com/learning/library/int...
That was interesting. Thanks.

From your link:

"1. Intelligence is a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience. It is not merely book learning, a narrow academic skill, or test-taking smarts. Rather, it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings--"catching on," "making sense" of things, or "figuring out" what to do.

"2. Intelligence, so defined, can be measured, and intelligence tests measure it well. They are among the most accurate (in technical terms, reliable and valid) of all psychological tests and assessments. They do not measure creativity, character, personality, or other important differences among individuals, nor are they intended to."

This raises a few issues:

[1] Do you make a distinction between intelligence and intellect? Can intelligent animals like dogs and dolphins - animals that can learn and solve problems better than less intelligent animals - also be intellectual? The dictionaries tend to muddy any distinctions. I let the word intellect refer specifically and exclusively to symbolic reasoning - using words and numbers in contemplation. Even though the beasts can learn to recognize words, and appear to have a rudimentary and innate sense of small quantities - avian mothers know when an egg is missing from the nests - by this definition, only humans can be intellectual.

[2] Do you make a distinction between intelligence and wisdom? Can intelligent animals also be wise? The way I use the words, the answer is also no. For me, wisdom involves knowing what will make you happy, which of course is the main problem to be solved in life: finding and maintaining satisfaction.

[3] Also, I noted that the list of the features of intelligence, though not claiming to be exhaustive, didn't specify memory or recall, although it did mention learning quickly. These two may have been deliberately omitted, since they relate to data storage and retrieval, and thus are not elements of reasoning, strictly speaking.

Tests of pure reasoning might supply factual data and ask you to process it, whereas test of memory would be more like school tests, where one is expected to memorize data such as names and dates. Thus one could argue that memory is distinct from intelligence. But I wouldn't. I would include it.

[4] The authors specifically excluded creativity from the definition of intelligence, probably because it would be difficult to test for. But I think that we can agree that creativity is a sign of intelligence. Can't we declare Mozart intelligent just on the basis of his music without any testing of his reasoning or problem solving ability?

[5] And what about intuition? Where does that fit in?

[6] Which brings up the idea of there being several kinds of intelligence, the kind tested by IQ tests being only one. If we admit that there are people that are gifted at human interactions, for example, shouldn't we also call this intelligence? These people might be among the wisest. http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Projects/Th...

Given all of this, can we define intelligence better than the way it is defined above? Would you modify that definition at all?
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587186 Jan 13, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Are blacks in America a different culture? Stop lying. IQ tests are not culturally biased, that is a silly excuse. If they were then it would be possible to create one that is not culturally biased so why can't any black academic create one that they can admit is not? The reason, because they can not create one blacks can perform equal to whites on is why.
"The bell curve has been debunked many times since its introduction."
By who Al Sharpton? Argue with these experts for they all disagree with you.
Richard D. Arvey, University of Minnesota
Thomas J. Bouchard, Jr., University of Minnesota
John B. Carroll, U.N.C. at Chapel Hill
Raymond B. Cattell, University of Hawaii
David B. Cohen, U.T. at Austin
Rene W. Dawis, University of Minnesota
Douglas K. Detterman, Case Western Reserve U.
Marvin Dunnette, University of Minnesota
Hans Eysenck, University of London
Jack Feldman, Georgia Institute of Technology
Edwin A. Fleishman, George Mason University
Grover C. Gilmore, Case Western Reserve U.
Robert A. Gordon, Johns Hopkins University
Linda S. Gottfredsen, University of Delaware
Richard J. Haier, U.C. Irvine
Garrett Hardin, U.C. Berkeley
Robert Hogan, University of Tulsa
Joseph M. Horn, U.T. at Austin
Lloyd G. Humphreys, U.Ill. at Champaign-Urbana
John E. Hunter, Michigan State University
Seymour W. Itzkoff, Smith College
Douglas N. Jackson, U. of Western Ontario
James J. Jenkins, U. of South Florida
Arthur R. Jensen, U.C. Berkeley
Alan S. Kaufman, University of Alabama Nadeen L. Kaufman, Cal. School of Prof. Psych., S.D.
Timothy Z. Keith, Alfred University
Nadine Lambert, U.C. Berkeley
John C. Loehlin, U.T. at Austin
David Lubinski, Iowa State University
David T. Lykken, University of Minnesota
Richard Lynn, University of Ulster at Coleraine
Paul E. Meehl, University of Minnesota
R. Travis Osborne, University of Georgia
Robert Perloff, University of Pittsburg
Robert Plomin, Institute of Psychiatry, London
Cecil R. Reynolds Texas A&M University
David C. Rowe University of Arizona
J. Philippe Rushton U. of Western Ontario
Vincent Sarich, U.C. Berkeley
Sandra Scarr, University of Virginia
Frank L. Schmidt University of Iowa
Lyle F. Schoenfeldt, Texas A&M University
James C. Sharf, George Washington University
Julian C. Stanley, Johns Hopkins University
Del Theissen, U.T. at Austin
Lee A. Thompson, Case Western Reserve U.
Robert M. Thorndike, Western Washington University
Philip Anthony Vernon, U. of Western Ontario
Lee Willerman, U.T. at Austin
In the middle ages theologians discussed about the angels what kind of sex characteristics they would have. Male or femal or neutrums? They still have come to no conclusion! Why should they? They are nonexistent!
Henry

Zwickau, Germany

#587187 Jan 13, 2013
flup wrote:
<quoted text> Call Him whatever you like, KK. According to Xians like me, He is the God of the Bible.
The bible is manmade. God has not the daintest interest on it since he never existed at all!

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