“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#585780 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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So if there are no such things nor even the faintest idea, how do you know what you are talking about?
A non-existent cannot be rationally described nor logically represented, for the simple fact that it has no prperties to describe or represent.
So how do you know that the entities with which specific attributes are associated, dont exist?
I face a dilemma in situation like this:
I can either conclude that you are a blabbering fool who just wants to troll; or I can conclude that you are a blabbering fool who just hates God.
Choices choices.
There's no choice, he's both.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#585781 Jan 10, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Ya...no concept of scientific hypothesis/theory/law.
Most 25 year olds don't.....
Pat

Granby, CT

#585782 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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"Theories are abstract and conceptual, and to this end they are always considered true. They are supported or challenged by observations in the world. They are 'rigorously tentative', meaning that they are PROPOSED AS TRUE and EXPECTED to satisfy careful examination to account for the possibility of faulty inference or incorrect observation. SOMETIMES THEORIES ARE INCORRECT, meaning that an explicit set of observations contradicts some fundamental objection or application of the theory, but more often THEORIES ARE CORRECTED TO CONFORM TO NEW OBSERVATIONS, by restricting the class of phenomena the theory applies to or changing the assertions made." [wikipedia.com]
SO not only do scientists ASSUME that the theory is true; they sometimes TWEAK it to make it better reflect reality.
So how come when I accept that the existence of God is true in order to begin learning about Him; you have a problem?
Dont you find the idea of tweaking scientific theory to match reality to constitute intellectual dishonesty?
If what they say is so accurate and scientific; what relevance is there is adding and removing, cutting and pasting?
You need a real hard, long, fat, stiff... drink... in your stomach... so you can relax... and unwind.
"SO not only do scientists ASSUME that the theory is true; they sometimes TWEAK it to make it better reflect reality."

First of all scientific theories attempt to describe a set of FACTS, like the theory of evolution describes how different species, species that we know for a fact exist, came to be. Yes, science will change it's theories as new evidence presents itself - unlike stale stagnant religious dogma, and it does this because it is HONEST.

"Dont you find the idea of tweaking scientific theory to match reality to constitute intellectual dishonesty?"

Just the opposite, science approaches the truth closer and closer by doing that.

"So how come when I accept that the existence of God is true in order to begin learning about Him; you have a problem?"

Because your conclusion is based on nothing but personal desire and no evidence. I also don't have a "problem" because you fail to use your brain properly and believe in religious dogma, as far as I am concerned that is your problem.

"If what they say is so accurate and scientific; what relevance is there is adding and removing, cutting and pasting?"

It's called honesty, a concept you theists can not comprehend.

"You need a real hard, long, fat, stiff... drink... in your stomach... so you can relax... and unwind"

Booze is just like religion, a crutch, an escape from relaity for those who need one. Have fun!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#585783 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
The fact is that the evidence which is presented supports evolution theory but it does not PROVE that evolution is reality.
The evidence establishes the validity of the theory.

Proof is not the standard for scientific theory. Nor is it the standard for much of daily life. It certainly has no place in religion.
God Himself wrote:
But the failure to prove evolution theory does not prevent scientists from claiming that it is fact; the evidence supports it.
The theory is correct in its oldest and most central aspects. Newer refinements may be overturned or otherwise modified.
God Himself wrote:
I dont have to prove that God exists either.
No, you don't.
God Himself wrote:
As long as I see evidence to support the existence of God, me and my little group can form our consensus and say that it is a fact that God exists.
Yes, you can. And so can the flat earthers regarding their beliefs. That's what makes faith so worthless.
God Himself wrote:
If atheists can call what they feel, fact; then religious person must be able to call what they experience a reality.
Sorry, but that's where the two part ways. As Bill Maher said,

"No. N-n-n-n-no. Itís not fair that people who canít defend their own nonsense get to create a fake fair and balanced argument, the way they do when asserting that evolution and creationism are equally valid....[W]hen it comes to religion, weíre not two sides of the same coin and you donít get to put your un-reason up on the same shelf with my reason. Your stuff has to go over there, on the shelf with Zeus, Thor and The Kraken - with the stuff that is not evidence-based"

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#585784 Jan 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Insurance for what reason? Theft?
Theft and any subsequent harm it might do as a result of your not properly securing it.
Pat

Granby, CT

#585785 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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Scientists assume a theory to be true before they test it; but you dont let that bother you do you?
But as soon as I make a suggestion on the nature of God your hounding at my balls.
If I cant claim that God does exist; no-one can claim that God DOES NOT EXIST.
Do you think a negative stance is more logical than a positive one?
What are you more likely to find; evidence that something exists or evidence that something does not exist?
How many negatives has science proven?
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That makes no sense.
Whatever will happen has already happened (I dare you to prove otherwise).
If I know that I will win, I can claim that I will win. Thats prediction for ya.
<quoted text>
You sound so sexy when you cuss.
I'm 25 by the way. How old are you?
Science is best defined as a careful, disciplined, logical search for knowledge about any and all aspects of the universe, obtained by examination of the best available evidence and always subject to correction and improvement upon discovery of better evidence. Science does not assume, ignorant theists do.

"If I cant claim that God does exist; no-one can claim that God DOES NOT EXIST.

You can claim it, you are just exposing your faulty reasoning abilities no different from any body else who makes claims that lack support, including atheists.

"Do you think a negative stance is more logical than a positive one?"

No, I think keeping an open mind and forming no opinion either way is the only rational position to hold when there is no knowledge to base an opinion on.

"Whatever will happen has already happened (I dare you to prove otherwise)."

Just as soon as you prove there are no aliens on Pluto.

"You sound so sexy when you cuss."

Good luck to you, at least you gays can now get married.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#585786 Jan 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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LOL.
That god cares more about who has been putting what into whom more than just about anything else. The residues of the fluids that dried there tell the tale.
You don't get to be called omniscient unless you know what every dirty pair of shorts and panties smell like.
Lol!

Makes sense.

I thought you just threw that in to see if we were paying attention.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#585787 Jan 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Society pays more for their health care, so smokers should pay more taxes
If you're gonna use health care costs as a reason, start at the top - fat.

Fat people cost the health care industry a lot more than smokers do.

How many fat diabetics are out there that cost us money their whole life?

Why are you advocating a sin tax, excuse me an excise tax, on fattening food?

Gimme a break...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#585788 Jan 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I'll bet it's more than 25 million dollars. But yes, government transparency and accountability is a principle I espouse as well. But good luck with that, though.
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You're contradicting yourself. Smoking-related laws all either forbid or compel something. You either support that or you don't
What I do not support is the government taking tax money from cigarettes because they say cigarettes "kill", but they won't put excise taxes on other things that we consume that also kill.

It's completely unfair and completely dishonest.
Pat

Granby, CT

#585789 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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It is not the mere complexity of life that leads us to the conclusion my dear Patti Cake.
Its the fact that all this complexity works, that leads us to believe there is an intelligent influence involved.
And it cannot be an argument from ignorance because we do have evidence to support the claim.
<quoted text>
After you tell that to your scientific thinking fellow on here, you can come back to tell me.
They dont seem to share your sentiments.
<quoted text>
Uuuuuuuuuuh, yeah it kinda does.
Have you ever seen intelligence emerge by accident?
For intelligence and efficiency to emerge from blind mindless forces is like throwing some paint on a canvas and expecting a "Madonna" or to show up perfectly painted.
I will show you something:
When scientists first saw a figure on Mars that looked like a face, what did they assume: did they assume it was made by other beings or that it evolves into existence?
THE PERSON WHO THINKS THAT INTELLIGENCE EMERGED FROM NOTHING OR MINDLESS PROCESSES ALONE, CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO BE INTELLIGENT.
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I dint say nor suggest that one lacks the ability to experience the life that comes after death; I suggested the nature of experiences may be different from the ones we have in this present state.
The nature of the experiences in the after-life may be such that memory is redundant/unnecessary.
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You assume that life ends in death, which makes you an even bigger jackass; because that which is truly alive is never subject to death.
That which is truly alive will never die; thats what makes it lively.
I presume you will say there is no such that as a thing that cannot die; but I will point out to you that matter-energy cannot be created nor destroyed...
If you have evindence then why does a belief in god still require faith? Stop lying.

"Its the fact that all this complexity works, that leads us to believe there is an intelligent influence involved."

Argument from ignorance.

"THE PERSON WHO THINKS THAT INTELLIGENCE EMERGED FROM NOTHING OR MINDLESS PROCESSES ALONE, CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO BE INTELLIGENT."

THE PERSON REFUSES TO ADMIT NOT KNOWING SOMETHING WHEN THEY IN FACT DO NOT KNOW IT CAN BE CONSIDERED VERY INSECURE AND IGNORANT. We do not know exactly how life began so stop pretending we do and as far as a scientific theory goes, the invisible sky wizard using his magic wand is not a vlaid scientifc theory.

"You assume that life ends in death, which makes you an even bigger jackass; because that which is truly alive is never subject to death."

I assume nothing, my opinion is based on the evidence of a corpse. Check out a rotting corpse some time little boy. If you are going to argue that you live after you die because maggots will feed on your corpse then we agree, you will live after you die. Answer my question then, if a corpse can not be considered conclusive proof that death ends personal memory and awareness then what would be enough proof for you? If we can not accept a corpse as proof that death ends life then NOTHING we know of could ever be said to be proven, NOTHING! The assuming jackass who will deny the evidence of a corpse is you, you coward.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#585790 Jan 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Not exactly. I would favor it if cheeseburger eating cost society money.
What?! You think people eating cheeseburgers all the time doesn't cost society money?!

Cholesterol kills more people than cigarettes do.

My grandma never smoked a cigarette in her whole life. She was in the hospital for four months before she died. She ended up costing Medicare over $2 million. Why? Because she ate fattening foods her whole life.

My grandma loved cheeseburgers, fried chicken, pizza, candy bars, soda, and so on. She loved it so much that it eventually killed her.

So again, why are you out there advocating a sin tax of fattening foods?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#585791 Jan 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Theft and any subsequent harm it might do as a result of your not properly securing it.
But cars and bats and knives and chains and hands and axes and lumber and chainsaws don't have that kind of insurance...
Pat

Granby, CT

#585792 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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Did you like totally dodge English language class?
You obviously have never heard of "synonyms".
Faith is a belief like all other beliefs.
And the value of any belief is determined by its consistency with reality.
So as long as my faith is consistent with what I experience, then my faith is no less valid than the confidence a scientist places in a concept, theory or fact :P
Faith is a belief, but it is not like all other beliefs. It is a belief based not upon knowledge but rather the absence of it.

"And the value of any belief is determined by its consistency with reality."

Then your belief in god is worthless since supernatural magic is contrary to what we know of reality.

"So as long as my faith is consistent with what I experience, then my faith is no less valid than the confidence a scientist places in a concept, theory or fact"

In other words your beliefs are as valid as any other lunatics. LOL

The inner defenses are unconscious. They consist of a kind of magic aura which the mind builds around cherished belief. Arguments which penetrate into the magic aura are not dealt with rationally but by a specific type of pseudo-reasoning. Absurdities and contradictions are made acceptable by specious rationalizations.
-- Arthur Koestler
Pat

Granby, CT

#585793 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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I fart up your nose.
That proves it, god is real! Praze be to Cheeses!

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#585794 Jan 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Oh I don't excuse it in any way, nor condone the practices of the
old testament. The horrible thing is some Jews in the old city are still of this mindset. The one aspect particularly loathed is amongst the all crimes to humanity and human rights violations is the persistent belief that they are for some reason special and above other people who they refer to as the goyim.
I see most of them as ungrateful bastards who treat the world like it in it's entirety belongs to them. Certainly there are examples of cultures far far more appealing.
I agree.

I find that mindset of excusing away the actions of a culture - "because that's just the way it was back then" - disturbing, and especially so when it's done by people(current adherents) in defense of a religious culture, past or present.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#585795 Jan 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Most 25 year olds don't.....
Start'n ta remind me of gatekreeper.
Pat

Granby, CT

#585796 Jan 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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You accept the existence of god without any observations.
Correct?
If you have made observations, are they testable?
If so, how?
It is secret privileged information, sorry. You have to be very very special to get access...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#585797 Jan 10, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Start'n ta remind me of gatekreeper.
Them's fightin words....

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#585798 Jan 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Them's fightin words....
Just a thought...

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#585799 Jan 10, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Well said. The bible is FILLED with nonsense like this. Over the years they've been "editing" it out to serve their purpose, but the original version (the one supposedly handed down from god) still exist. What pleasant writings to base a religion on eh?
Yeah, and when you look up the "disputed" word meanings in Hebrew etc.., I've found that it usually gets worse, because then you are generally compelled to look at the entire sentence, verse and more.

I think if Christians did that more often, they'd find that the book they embrace is full of contradictions and nonsense at best, and at its absolute worst, hideous.

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